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Former MADD president arrested for drunk driving, LOL
« on: February 25, 2011, 03:22:42 PM »
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Well this is certainly embarrassing. And really, really sad. Debra Oberlin used to fight to keep drunk drivers off the road, but now she herself is facing a DUI charge. The Gainesville area Realtor was recently arrested after failing a field sobriety test and registering a breath alcohol level three times that of

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Re: Former MADD president arrested for drunk driving, LOL
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2011, 03:27:28 PM »
MADD is a sham anyway...

Consider this: of drivers involved in all accidents in 1995, only 19 thousands of one percent (.00019)%  were legally defined drunk drivers in fatal multi-vehicle accidents, and only half of those accidents were the fault of the drunk driver.  National figures on "drinking-related" accidents are seriously over-inflated.   The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is a federal agency that says that 7 percent of all accidents in 1995 were "alcohol related."  What they don't publicize is how they reach that figure.  They don't tell you that the figure counts any accident in which any driver was drinking, regardless of fault.   Approximately half of those accidents were caused by the non-drinking driver.   They also don't tell you that the figure counts drinking pedestrians who are hit by non-drinking drivers!  Excuse me, but drinking and walking is not a crime!  However, they use these questionable techniques which unrealistically over-inflates the statistics of drinking and driving.

(Source: The source of these statistics is the March 2, 1998 article  "Hunt on For 'Witches' Among U.S. Motorists" by Stephen A. Beck, in The Spotlight Newspaper.)

Why oppose this method of counting drinking-related accidents, you might ask.  It's simple.   It's not fair.  Is the goal to persecute drinking drivers, or to determine how often alcohol contributes to drinkers causing traffic accidents?  If it is the latter, then we have to use fair numbers.  The purpose of compiling  statistics should not be to get over-inflated information to bolster one point view.

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Re: Former MADD president arrested for drunk driving, LOL
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2011, 03:35:25 PM »
Yeah but nowadays you are portrayed as a complete dick if you have a few drinks and drive home.

Bitches like that think we get drunk and get in the car and go, "OH BOY I SURE HOPE I SLIDE INTO A FAMILY OF 6 TONIGHT!!"  ::)

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Re: Former MADD president arrested for drunk driving, LOL
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2011, 03:37:09 PM »
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Re: Former MADD president arrested for drunk driving, LOL
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2011, 03:43:07 PM »
MADD is a sham anyway...

Consider this: of drivers involved in all accidents in 1995, only 19 thousands of one percent (.00019)%  were legally defined drunk drivers in fatal multi-vehicle accidents, and only half of those accidents were the fault of the drunk driver.  National figures on "drinking-related" accidents are seriously over-inflated.   The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration is a federal agency that says that 7 percent of all accidents in 1995 were "alcohol related."  What they don't publicize is how they reach that figure.  They don't tell you that the figure counts any accident in which any driver was drinking, regardless of fault.   Approximately half of those accidents were caused by the non-drinking driver.   They also don't tell you that the figure counts drinking pedestrians who are hit by non-drinking drivers!  Excuse me, but drinking and walking is not a crime!  However, they use these questionable techniques which unrealistically over-inflates the statistics of drinking and driving.
 

(Source: The source of these statistics is the March 2, 1998 article  "Hunt on For 'Witches' Among U.S. Motorists" by Stephen A. Beck, in The Spotlight Newspap

Why oppose this method of counting drinking-related accidents, you might ask.  It's simple.   It's not fair.  Is the goal to persecute drinking drivers, or to determine how often alcohol contributes to drinkers causing traffic accidents?  If it is the latter, then we have to use fair numbers.  The purpose of compiling  statistics should not be

 to get over-inflated information to bolster one point view.

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Tu, that was 1995, shit has hit the fan now. I live in a area of high DUI stats, and I see them nightly. Many don't give a fvck, many are arrogant, and many if they hit you, they keep going. In my area, they also combine alcohol with PCP, and I personally know of one person with 2 DUIs in 2 yrs.

Perdue has gotten many, even hitting people---and it's swept under the rug in Wicomico Co, MD...

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Re: Former MADD president arrested for drunk driving, LOL
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2011, 03:46:22 PM »
hope that bitch gets fucked in jail

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Re: Former MADD president arrested for drunk driving, LOL
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2011, 03:48:33 PM »
Tu, that was 1995, shit has hit the fan now. I live in a area of high DUI stats, and I see them nightly. Many don't give a fvck, many are arrogant, and many if they hit you, they keep going. In my area, they also combine alcohol with PCP, and I personally know of one person with 2 DUIs in 2 yrs.

Perdue has gotten many, even hitting people---and it's swept under the rug in Wicomico Co, MD...

I guarantee that the stats are not any different today... DUI laws are because of "perceived" and inaccurate danger and the public outcry that groups like MADD present.

I am not advocating drunk driving... I do think it's dangerous and do not do it, however, the "evil stigma" that is placed upon it is not warranted by any real statistic you can find.

1995 vs. 2011... I guarantee that there is no measurable change in how many accidents are caused by drunk drivers.

Unless you can show me numbers about your area, I have to also take "What you see" with a grain of salt as well... Sorry Parker, but the numbers are the numbers.

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Re: Former MADD president arrested for drunk driving, LOL
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2011, 03:52:09 PM »
MADD “Statistics” Again Debunked
Posted by Lawrence Taylor on June 23rd, 2008

As I’ve posted repeatedly in the past, MADD’s prohibitionist zealots are fond of twisting statistics to justify their expansion of unfair laws, Draconian penalties and unconstitutional procedures.  See, for example, A Closer Look at DUI Fatality Statistics, MADDness and Lies, Damned Lies and MADD Statistics.

The truth is finally beginning to emerge:


    A Reality Check on DUI Claims

    Groups purposely misstate fatalities

    to further an anti-drinking agenda

    The Tennessean, June 22 – Drunken-driving stories, like last week’s op-ed by Mothers Against Drunk Driving representative Alexanderia Honeycutt, make headlines every day.

    Groups like MADD relentlessly remind Americans that the abuse of alcohol continues to be a huge problem on our roadways and, as a result, the most drastic measures are needed. Though truly “drunken” driving is a serious issue, much of the reported problem is little more than PR.

     Consider fatality statistics. The number of deaths that activist groups attribute to drunken driving is grossly exaggerated.

    Last year, federal statisticians classified almost 18,000 deaths as “alcohol-related.” However, alcohol-related does not mean alcohol-caused. In fact, that figure includes anyone killed in a crash in which at least one person (driver, pedestrian, cyclist, etc.) was estimated to have any alcohol. (If a sober driver recklessly crashes into and kills a family whose driver had enjoyed a glass of wine, statistics reflect all their deaths as “alcohol-related.”)

    In reality, the figure reflects a much broader spectrum of casualties: people under the legal limit, drunken pedestrians, impaired cyclists and others. After accounting for those people, actual innocent victims only make up 12 percent of the widely reported statistic — a considerably smaller amount than activists have led us to believe.

    The anti-alcohol lobby has also invented fantastical talking points to bolster their bunk traffic stats. Honeycutt uses one of its favorites (“first offenders drive drunk on average 87 times before they are caught”), going so far as to accuse individuals of criminal acts with absolutely no proof to back up the claim.

    The truth is that this widely publicized figure comes from rough estimates of self-reported data — commonly criticized as unreliable. Collected from a small sample almost 13 years ago, even the study’s own authors admit the estimates are “crude.”


As I posted a couple of years ago, an independent study by the Los Angeles Times  found that despite federal figures claiming nearly 18,000 deaths caused by drunk driving in 2002, only about 5,000 of these actually involved a drunk driver causing the death of a sober driver, passenger or pedestrian.

MADD has used the same altered statistics to get all 50 states – with some federal coercion – to lower the legal limit to .08% and to expand the use of roadblocks:


In the 1990s, these groups used another “crude” statistic to convince the public that reducing the legal blood-alcohol content limit from 0.10 to 0.08 percent would save 600-800 lives annually. Today, research proves it didn’t work.

Their 0.08 push failed to have any measurable effects on traffic fatality rates. It only lowered the threshold for qualifying as a “drunken” driver, ignoring the fact that the majority of “drunks” wreaking havoc on our roads drive while more than double the 0.08 limit. One study in Contemporary Economic Policy concluded that 0.08 efforts would have been better spent encouraging effective measures against chronic drunken drivers.

Tennessee’s anti-alcohol groups aren’t heeding that warning. Instead, they’re demanding more funding, more legislation and more manpower for other misguided measures, like sobriety checkpoints.

    These roadblocks are based on the idea that it’s more important to look “tough on drunken driving” than to actually go after the drunks. Checkpoints don’t catch many (if any) drunken drivers. In the largest program ever studied, Tennessee ran almost 900 checkpoints over the course of a year, stopping almost 150,000 of the state’s drivers. The result: a mere 773 DUI arrests — less than one arrest per checkpoint. Compare that to the impact of roving police patrols — a tactic that catches 10 times more drunken drivers than roadblocks.

    But you won’t hear anti-alcohol activists like Honeycutt repeat that stat. Their groups no longer target “drunken” drivers, aiming instead to eliminate any drinking before driving.

Right now, the 176 million responsible Americans who drink in moderation can still safely (and legally) drive home after enjoying a drink. Furthermore, research shows that drivers who talk on cell phones, drive drowsy, or travel 7 mph above the speed limit pose a larger threat than those who enjoy a few drinks (and stay below 0.08) before driving home.

Disregarding the evidence, the anti-alcohol movement’s invented, inflated and distorted “facts” would have the public believe that there should be no legal limit except zero. This is the reason we all think one thing when the reality is another.


http://www.duiblog.com/2008/06/23/madd-statistics-again-debunked/

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Re: Former MADD president arrested for drunk driving, LOL
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2011, 03:58:48 PM »
Put it to you like this, compare the amount of pictures MADD has thrown out there with a 22 year olds head basically all the way through the windshield in his new pickup truck and a case of empty beer cans in the backseat with a scene of just your average random car crash...it's sensationalistic propaganda at its greatest.

Its like they hand pick that one or two pictures out of THOUSANDS of car wrecks to best represent their aggressive and "Maddened" point of view.


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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2011, 04:07:35 PM »
I guarantee that the stats are not any different today... DUI laws are because of "perceived" and inaccurate danger and the public outcry that groups like MADD present.

I am not advocating drunk driving... I do think it's dangerous and do not do it, however, the "evil stigma" that is placed upon it is not warranted by any real statistic you can find.

1995 vs. 2011... I guarantee that there is no measurable change in how many accidents are caused by drunk drivers.

Unless you can show me numbers about your area, I have to also take "What you see" with a grain of salt as well... Sorry Parker, but the numbers are the numb

I can't provide numbers as I don't have access to go looking, I'm on my iPhone. Part of my job is dealing with defendants, and I see the DUIs...

1995 vs 2011, there are more drivers on the roads, more people driving w/o licenses, driving on suspended, illegal persons driving, bigger caseloads, meanig more people hired to take on work.

I see about 3-4 Duis per night. Now, whether they are convicted or not is diff.

Do those stats give convictions or arrests? Two entirely diff things. And what is there agenda? What is the criminal background of the people providing the info---as DUIs carry criminal jail time.  

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« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2011, 04:38:31 PM »
I can't provide numbers as I don't have access to go looking, I'm on my iPhone. Part of my job is dealing with defendants, and I see the DUIs...

1995 vs 2011, there are more drivers on the roads, more people driving w/o licenses, driving on suspended, illegal persons driving, bigger caseloads, meanig more people hired to take on work.

I see about 3-4 Duis per night. Now, whether they are convicted or not is diff.

Do those stats give convictions or arrests? Two entirely diff things. And what is there agenda? What is the criminal background of the people providing the info---as DUIs carry criminal jail time. 

You're talking about numbers... Not percentages. I'm talking percentages.

Also,

We're not talking about the people who are charged with DUI, we're talking about how dangerous these supposed "DUI" persons are.

The numbers to not match up to the perceived danger.

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Re: Former MADD president arrested for drunk driving, LOL
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2011, 05:05:31 PM »
FAR more people get behind the wheel knowing they are too tired to drive safely.....and that is a decision, just like having booze and driving.


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« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2011, 05:08:45 PM »
FAR more people get behind the wheel knowing they are too tired to drive safely.....and that is a decision, just like having booze and driving.



I agree... but you're almost never charged with wreckless driving in that instance...

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« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2011, 05:13:58 PM »
FAR more people get behind the wheel knowing they are too tired to drive safely.....and that is a decision, just like having booze and driving.


  I've driven buzzed multiple times with no problem, last thanksgiving I was so tired  I almost swerved into other cars and the guard rail multiple times.  I was so tired, I don't know why I didn't stop.  If I got pulled over I probably would have been let go if I pulled over and took a nap or something even though I caused a serious danger to others.  Yet if a drank 3-4 drinks I would have gone to jail.

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« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2011, 05:14:35 PM »
You're talking about numbers... Not percentages. I'm talking percentages.

Also,

We're not talking about the people who are charged with DUI, we're talking about how dangerous these supposed "DUI" persons are.

The numbers to not match up to the perceived danger.
But aren't we missing the number of times the SAME person is being charged with DUI?

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« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2011, 05:15:59 PM »
But aren't we missing the number of times the SAME person is being charged with DUI?

I don't think so... I'm not really even talking about charges myself... Just how many accidents have actually been caused with alcohol as a factor in the CAUSE of the accident.

That's a low ass number.

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« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2011, 05:16:10 PM »
You guys are right.  When I was in a sociology class in college we did some comparisons of the numbers and it was staggering.  And the numbers on the "driving while tired" were probably very low because it's hard to prove.

What we were actually looking at was the stigma attached to DUI's in society and that was an off-shoot of the research. 

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« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2011, 05:21:14 PM »
Wonder if tired driving is against the law.

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« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2011, 05:23:26 PM »
Wonder if tired driving is against the law.

i don't think it is, just WHAT you do ie: reckless driving, swerving over the line, etc...  Parker would probably know.

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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2011, 05:23:44 PM »
Wonder if tired driving is against the law.

It is listed as reckless... If you tell a copy you fell asleep, then he can charge you with reckless driving.

Most of the time, you get something like "failure to maintain proper control of a vehicle".

It's a minor infraction if you're charged with that.