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I know  we like to make fun but I do appreciate his honesty. I'm so tired of all these fake Hollywood apologies from famous people saying they changed when you know they haven't. At least he is being real.

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Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #26 on: March 01, 2011, 07:34:55 PM »
Okay, so we know about Charlie Sheen, but do y'all remember ODB? Remember he had the same MO, and loved the drugs. Many people were around the time when he went all out and wore out multiple women. He went some say over 20 women at one time for hours...while lit on some type of drug cocktail.

And it was said his genius came from his drug use, ODB apparently wasn't the same off of drugs...

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #27 on: March 01, 2011, 07:44:50 PM »
ODB complained of chest pains for a day before he died. 

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he is an extreme narcissist, and he would make a great getbigger.  sheen is alright in my book, despite his creepy tweaker vibe he is putting out.  he has hit us with some real gems as of late  ;D

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #29 on: March 01, 2011, 07:56:24 PM »
my lasting memory of ODB is the footage of him collecting his food stamps/welfare/whatever in a limo, came across as a real piece of shit to me.  I didn't particularly think he was that gifted either, in fact more of an overrated joke. 

sheen in contrast, rolls hard with his own fucking dough and would never consider a handout.  I don't think he is particularly gifted either, however he seems to think he is.  I don't know anyone that watches his sitcom or whatever and I have never seen it.  in my eyes he is a washed up 80's figure who caught a second wind and is lucky to still be seriously earning.  I liked him as a kid in navy seals and major league   ;D

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #30 on: March 01, 2011, 07:58:17 PM »
ODB complained of chest pains for a day before he died. Kinda like Red Foxx was always faking a heart attach, and he did that, and he really did have a heart attack. 
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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #31 on: March 01, 2011, 08:02:54 PM »
my lasting memory of ODB is the footage of him collecting his food stamps/welfare/whatever in a limo, came across as a real piece of shit to me.  I didn't particularly think he was that gifted either, in fact more of an overrated joke. 

sheen in contrast, rolls hard with his own fucking dough and would never consider a handout.  I don't think he is particularly gifted either, however he seems to think he is.  I don't know anyone that watches his sitcom or whatever and I have never seen it.  in my eyes he is a washed up 80's figure who caught a second wind and is lucky to still be seriously earning.  I liked him as a kid in navy seals and major league   ;D
ODB had a shitload of kids, I think the genius in his rhymes was that they were off the wall, but funny as shit, and comically made sense...and you know this mofo was off the wall. In terms of style, there was none, I don't think he is gifted...but unique...


Charlie comes from money, he grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, so he has this air of "why should I care"

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #32 on: March 01, 2011, 08:03:46 PM »
Sheen talked about his constitution - very interesting.  He can do enough drugs to kill most people and he's not embarassed about it.  very funny and dry wit, a little full of himself, but really... he's worth almost $100 mil.... he is banging two hot blondes all day long... he's fcking with the reporters and being as crazy as he wants, and his next tv project will be bigger and more profitable than ever.  

Sheen > all those talking shit about him

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #33 on: March 01, 2011, 08:05:10 PM »
ODB had a shitload of kids, I think the genius in his rhymes was that they were off the wall, but funny as shit, and comically made sense...and you know this mofo was off the wall. In terms of style, there was none, I don't think he is gifted...but unique...


Charlie comes from money, he grew up with a silver spoon in his mouth, so he has this air of "why should I care"


charles wont live to see his first pair of dentures.

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #34 on: March 01, 2011, 08:05:42 PM »
charles wont live to see his first pair of dentures.

he already has.

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #35 on: March 01, 2011, 08:07:18 PM »
Sheen talked about his constitution - very interesting.  He can do enough drugs to kill most people and he's not embarassed about it.  very funny and dry wit, a little full of himself, but really... he's worth almost $100 mil.... he is banging two hot blondes all day long... he's fcking with the reporters and being as crazy as he wants, and his next tv project will be bigger and more profitable than ever.  

Sheen > all those talking shit about him
I don't think he's any diff than a person who has done crack for a while, his constitution is no greater...there are people who have done tons more and blazed thru everything...most people don't know just what the human body can take. Just look at all the bbers taking all the doses and drugs that they take--for years, on top of rec drugs or smoking.

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #36 on: March 01, 2011, 08:13:43 PM »
You cannot compare the two. ODB by far.

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #37 on: March 01, 2011, 08:17:55 PM »
I don't think he's any diff than a person who has done crack for a while, his constitution is no greater...there are people who have done tons more and blazed thru everything...most people don't know just what the human body can take. Just look at all the bbers taking all the doses and drugs that they take--for years, on top of rec drugs or smoking.

But there are some Bbers (like a ronnie coleman) who use assloads of gear for over a decade and still have a full head of hair (when he doesn't shave it), still strong and vibrant and never got sick from it.

Then you have some Bbers like (desmond miller?) who find steroids to be too toxic (or the lifestyle too much) and end up in the hospital, or like Dim having a heart attack at 30.

My own dad has an incredible constitution - drugs and alcohol for years and didn't blink - levels that should have killed a man, and walked away.  Mom, on the other hand, gets sick off one beer.  Some people are just built for that shit.

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #38 on: March 01, 2011, 08:26:24 PM »
But there are some Bbers (like a ronnie coleman) who use assloads of gear for over a decade and still have a full head of hair (when he doesn't shave it), still strong and vibrant and never got sick from it.

Then you have some Bbers like (desmond miller?) who find steroids to be too toxic (or the lifestyle too much) and end up in the hospital, or like Dim having a heart attack at 30.

My own dad has an incredible constitution - drugs and alcohol for years and didn't blink - levels that should have killed a man, and walked away.  Mom, on the other hand, gets sick off one beer.  Some people are just built for that shit.
I think Oscar had Desmond on some serious high test, and we don't know if he had an existing condition beforehand

My dad could eat tin cans and still live...I had gotten food poisoning three times from the Dole "salad in a bag", and had to go to the ER---my dad ate from the same bags and nothing...

Also, there was a reality show where people lived like the Druids or someshit, and they made eggs like they did---the people couldn't take the bacteria...when you have things so antisceptic and clean, people aren't used to it...

Fact is, it's like going fast---you want to go faster until you hit the wall, moderation is the key...if Charlies doesn't slow down, he'll be doing a duet with ODB....  "Brooooolyn...Zoooo!!"

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #39 on: March 01, 2011, 09:46:50 PM »
The fact that Charlie can seemingly piss clean(and blood tests) shows that he probably isn't doing as much shit as he wants us all to believe. He says he doesn't touch pills(benzo's) and calls ambian the Devil. So it seems like he isn't mixing a lot of drugs. I have a feeling that the Hierarchy will probably take him out sooner rather than later if he just doesn't shut up.

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #40 on: March 01, 2011, 10:00:04 PM »
The fact that Charlie can seemingly piss clean(and blood tests) shows that he probably isn't doing as much shit as he wants us all to believe. He says he doesn't touch pills(benzo's) and calls ambian the Devil. So it seems like he isn't mixing a lot of drugs. I have a feeling that the Hierarchy will probably take him out sooner rather than later if he just doesn't shut up.
He seems to have this "I can control it" mentality that a lot of addicts have...and thar he has "holier than thou" attitude---that somehow he is totally diff than everybody, and there are a set of rules for you and a set of rules for me...which a lot of rich folk who have been given money generally exhibit...

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #41 on: March 01, 2011, 10:01:34 PM »
Another thing to consider is what is the American Government/military doing right now? "They" love their media to indulge in Hollywood scandals as they fck with a lot of the outside world. Is Charlie Sheen just a distraction? A possible major Terror attack about to happen?

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #42 on: March 01, 2011, 10:06:09 PM »
Another thing to consider is what is the American Government/military doing right now? "They" love their media to indulge in Hollywood scandals as they fck with a lot of the outside world. Is Charlie Sheen just a distraction?
I was thinking the same thing, must be some bill they passed, as more Americans become obsessed over scandals, porn and reality TV, the government uses those distraction to pass bills, attact countries or put shit in the air or animals, a la bird deaths.

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #43 on: March 01, 2011, 10:06:55 PM »
Russell Tyrone Jones (November 15, 1968 – November 13, 2004) was an American rapper and occasional producer, who went by the stage name Ol' Dirty Bastard or simply ODB. He was one of the founding members of the Wu-Tang Clan, a Hip-Hop group from Staten Island, New York that rose to mainstream prominence with their 1993 debut album Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers).[1][2]

After establishing the Wu-Tang Clan, Ol' Dirty Bastard went on to pursue a successful solo career.[3] However, his professional success was hampered by erratic personal behavior and frequent legal troubles, including incarceration. He died in late 2004 of an accidental drug overdose, two days before his 36th birthday.[4]

Jones was often noted for his trademark microphone techniques and his "outrageously profane, free-associative rhymes delivered in a distinctive half-rapped, half-sung style".[5] His stage name was derived from the 1980 martial arts film Ol' Dirty and the Bastard, the relevance of which was articulated by Method Man's assertion that there was "no father" to Jones' style.

Biography
Early life / formation of the Wu-Tang Clan

Russell Jones was born in Brooklyn, New York in 1968. He and his cousins Robert Diggs and Gary Grice shared a unique taste for rap music and martial arts-style movies.[2] Jones, Diggs, and Grice (later known Ol' Dirty Bastard, RZA, and GZA respectively) formed the group Force of the Imperial Master, which subsequently became known as All in Together Now after their successful underground single of the same name. They eventually added six more members to their group, calling it the Wu-Tang Clan. The group released their debut album Enter the Wu-Tang (36 Chambers) in 1993, receiving notable commercial and critical success.
Music career

Ol' Dirty Bastard's solo career began in 1995, making him the second member of the Wu-Tang Clan to release a solo album, following Method Man's 1994 album, Tical. Released on March 28, 1995, Return to the 36 Chambers: The Dirty Version spawned the hit singles "Brooklyn Zoo" and "Shimmy Shimmy Ya", which helped propel the album to platinum status. The album's sound was noted by several music writers as being "raw and gritty" as 36 Chambers, with RZA and 4th disciple producing beats of an even more minimalist and stripped-down style than on the group's debut album. In this same year, Ol' Dirty Bastard collaborated with Mariah Carey for the "Fantasy Remix".

Around this time, Jones gained notoriety when, as he was being profiled for an MTV biography, he took two of his thirteen children by limousine to a New York State welfare office to pick up his welfare check; his latest album was still in the top ten of the US charts. The entire incident was filmed by an MTV camera crew and was broadcast nationwide.

In 1997, Ol' Dirty Bastard appeared on the Wu-Tang Clan's second and most commercially successful work, the double album Wu-Tang Forever. He had fewer appearances on this album than the group's debut, contributing to one solo track ("Dog Shit"), three verses ("Maria", "Reunited", "Heaterz") one hook ("As High as Wu-Tang Get"), and a spoken introduction/refrain ("Triumph").

In February 1998, Jones witnessed a car accident from the window of his Brooklyn recording studio. He and a friend ran to the accident scene and organized about a dozen onlookers who assisted in lifting the 1996 Ford Mustang—rescuing a 4-year-old girl from the wreckage. She was taken to a hospital with first and second degree burns. Using a false name, Jones visited the girl in the hospital frequently until he was spotted by members of the media.[7]

The evening following the traffic accident, Jones rushed on-stage unexpectedly as Shawn Colvin took the stage to give her acceptance speech for Song of the Year at the 1998 Grammy Awards, and announced that he had recently purchased expensive clothes in anticipation of winning the Grammy Award for Best Rap Album that he lost to Puff Daddy. As Colvin took the stage to a round of applause, he asked of the audience, "Please calm down, the music and everything. It's nice that I went and bought me an outfit today that costed a lot of money, you know what I mean? 'Cause I figured that Wu-Tang was gonna win. I don't know how you all see it, but when it comes to the children, Wu-Tang is for the children. We teach the children. You know what I mean? Puffy is good, but Wu-Tang is the best, Okay? I want you all to know that this is ODB, and I love you all. Peace!" This incident was widely covered in the mainstream media.

In 1999, Ol' Dirty Bastard wrote and recorded his second studio album guy Please between jail sentences. The album received notable commercial success, although it failed to parallel the critical praise of his debut. This release included the single "Got Your Money" which garnered world-wide chart success. The song was produced by The Neptunes, and featured backing vocals by R&B singer Kelis, both of which would go on to pursue successful recording careers.

In 1999, Jones was paid $30,000 to appear on Insane Clown Posse's album The Amazing Jeckel Brothers. Completing his track in two days, his recording consisted of him rambling about "bitches". Insane Clown Posse re-recorded the track and re-edited Jones' vocals in order to form four rhymes out of his rambling, giving the song the title "Bitches".[8]

In 2001, with Jones again in jail for crack cocaine possession, his record label Elektra Records made the decision to release a greatest hits album (despite there being only two albums in his back catalog) in order to both end their contract with the unreliable troubled artist (see below section), as well as make some money off the publicity generated by his legal troubles. After the contract with Elektra was terminated, the label D-3 records released the album The Trials and Tribulations of Russell Jones in 2002, composed of tracks put together without Jones's input, using the vocals he had recorded with hype-woman Sic-wif-it (Salome), DJ extrordinaire Organix (Eden), and the high- profile lyricist T-Time (Tamara) prior to his capture by authorities. The label recruited many guests including several Wu-Tang Clan affiliates, No Limit Records artist C-Murder, Too $hort, E-40 and Mack 10. However, the album was critically panned and sales were poor.

In 2003, the day he was released from prison, with Mariah Carey and Damon Dash by his side, Jones signed a contract with Roc-A-Fella Records. Living at his mother's home under house arrest, and with a court-ordered probation, he managed to star in a VH1 special, Inside Out: Ol' Dirty Bastard On Parole. He also managed to record a new album, originally scheduled to be released through Dame Dash Music Group in 2004; it has since been shelved indefinitely.
Legal troubles

In 1993, Ol' Dirty Bastard was convicted of second degree assault[3] for an attempted robbery and in 1994, he was shot in the abdomen following an argument with another rapper.[3] In 1997, he was arrested for failure to pay child support for three of his 13 children. His wife, Icelene Jones, claimed he had not paid any support in over a year.[3] In 1998, he pled guilty to attempted assault on his wife and was the victim of a home invasion robbery at his girlfriend's house. He was shot in the back and arm but the wounds were superficial.

In July 1998, only days after being shot in a push-in robbery at his girlfriend's house in Brooklyn, he was arrested for shoplifting a pair of $50 shoes from a Sneaker Stadium store in Virginia Beach, Virginia, although he was carrying close to $500 in cash at the time. He was issued bench warrants by the Virginia Beach Sheriff's Department to stand trial after he failed to appear in court numerous times. He was arrested for criminal threatening after a series of drunken confrontations in Los Angeles a few weeks later, and was then re-arrested for similar charges not long after that. During a traffic stop, the details of which remain clouded in multiple versions of events, he was arrested for attempted murder and criminal weapon possession. The case was later dismissed.

In February 1999, he was arrested for driving without a license and for being a convicted felon wearing a bulletproof vest (the first person arrested for this infraction under a new California law). Back in New York weeks later, he was arrested for drug possession of crack cocaine and for traffic offenses. With multiple cases in the past and present, he was arrested with marijuana and 20 vials of crack. After his arrest, Ol' Dirty Bastard reportedly asked the police to "make the rocks disappear". During a court hearing, he once called a female prosecutor a "sperm donor."[9]

This criminal record was commented on by Chris Rock in his 1999 spoken word song, "No Sex (In the Champagne Room)", with Rock asserting that "Ol' Dirty Bastard couldn't have possibly committed all those crimes." Ol' Dirty Bastard entered rehab while still technically a fugitive from the law, but erratic behavior during a subsequent court date sent him to jail for a brief period.

In October 2000, he escaped from his court-mandated drug treatment facility and spent one month as a fugitive. During his time on the run, he met with RZA and spent some time in their recording studio. He then appeared onstage at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York swigging a bottle at the record release party for The W, the third Wu-Tang Clan album. In late November 2000 while still on the lam, he was arrested outside a South Philadelphia McDonald's (at 29th and Gray's Ferry Ave.), after he drew a crowd while signing autographs. He spent several days in a Philadelphia jail and was later extradited to New York City. A Manhattan court sentenced him to two to four years incarceration.
Death

Leading up to his early death, Jones' legal troubles and odd behavior made him "something of a folk hero", according to The New Yorker writer Michael Agger.[10] Music writer Steve Huey wrote that "it was difficult for observers to tell whether Ol' Dirty Bastard's wildly erratic behavior was the result of serious drug problems or genuine mental instability."

Jones collapsed at approximately 4:35 p.m. on November 13, 2004 (two days before his 36th birthday) at RZA's recording studio (36 Records LLC on West 34th Street in New York City). He was pronounced dead at 5:04pm. His funeral was held at Brooklyn's Christian Cultural Center and drew a crowd of thousands.

The official cause of death was a drug overdose; an autopsy found a lethal mixture of cocaine and the prescription drug Tramadol, a synthetic opiate.[11] The overdose was ruled accidental and witnesses say that Jones complained of chest pain on the day he died.[12]

In November 2009, a video documentary about Ol' Dirty Bastard's life, Dirty: The Official Ol' Dirty Bastard Biography, was released. The documentary features interviews and stories from Wu-Tang members, affiliates, and family members, as well as old interviews and live footage

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #44 on: March 01, 2011, 10:11:02 PM »
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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #45 on: March 01, 2011, 10:25:51 PM »
 What did Charlie Sheen do that's so special?

 You all are in on this People Magazine gossip shit. I'm out of the loop. What did Charlie Sheen do that was so special? Besides his awesome "Hot Shots" movies?

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Re: Charlie Sheen vs Ol Dirty Bastard
« Reply #46 on: March 01, 2011, 11:16:57 PM »
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If Charlie doesn't slow down...ODB is going to be greeting him..."Bitch betta have my money!"

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That guy is definitely going out with a bang, LOL!

EDIT: Am I the only one who's seeing a little bit of Debussey in Sheen?

No, you're not the only one. He's Gary's successor... ;D

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Re: Charlie Sheen - the myth - crazy or not?
« Reply #48 on: March 02, 2011, 05:22:57 AM »
He sounds like an asshole.

His own words about his drug taking - "I exposed people to magic" - more like he exposed prostitutes to his flaccid cock.

What a wanker.

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Re: Charlie Sheen - the myth - crazy or not?
« Reply #49 on: March 02, 2011, 05:45:37 AM »
Are we really comparing Sheen to a rapper ??? :-\