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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #100 on: April 27, 2013, 01:54:58 PM »
ND I'm calling you an Asshole and Shawn Ray kicks Dorian's ass And you lost  ::) ;D

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #101 on: April 27, 2013, 01:56:00 PM »
Shawn and Dorian really shouldn't have been compared. They were two mutants from different planets. Shawn was ending an era and Dorian was the turning point for a new one.

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #102 on: April 27, 2013, 01:57:31 PM »
Thank you , Shawn should've won .

According to you , not according to 12 individual judges  ;)

Shawn fantastic physique but he just doesn't beat Dorian according to that , you have to separate your personal preference from what the criteria calls for.

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #103 on: April 27, 2013, 02:00:50 PM »
According to you , not according to 12 individual judges  ;)

Shawn fantastic physique but he just doesn't beat Dorian according to that , you have to separate your personal preference from what the criteria calls for.

12 individuals judges  ::)


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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #104 on: April 27, 2013, 02:02:24 PM »
12 individuals judges  ::)



Okay of we're gonna discount the criteria and the judges how should we decide who wins? popularity? like American Idol what looks better according to you?

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #105 on: April 27, 2013, 02:09:55 PM »
Okay of we're gonna discount the criteria and the judges how should we decide who wins? popularity? like American Idol what looks better according to you?



IFBB ADVISORY NOTICE 2005-001

Date: April 13, 2005
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Re: SYMMETRY & NATURAL AESTHETICS


Montreal, Canada, April 13, 2005: With a mandate from President Ben Weider, the Professional Committee and a team of expert advisors recently evaluated the issues associated with muscular development, such as size, shape, density, separation and definition, in relation to symmetry and natural aesthetics.

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #106 on: April 27, 2013, 02:43:48 PM »
Bodybuilding arguements have destroyed this family.

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #107 on: April 27, 2013, 02:45:10 PM »

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #108 on: April 27, 2013, 02:46:38 PM »
Stop crying  :'( because the look you prefer didn't win , yes there is a criteria and Shawn failed to meet it better than Dorian and was lucky to beat Kevin never mind Dorian
Whats the point of bodybuilding then? People always use the same excuse: "Shawn couldn't compete with the taller, heavier guys". What does height and weight have to do with it? Shawn simply looked better.

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #109 on: April 27, 2013, 02:54:43 PM »
i agree ray makes dorian look like smashed potatoes/anuses


dorian had some sick calves and back tho


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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #110 on: April 27, 2013, 03:12:10 PM »
i agree ray makes dorian look like smashed potatoes/anuses

Are you saying ND would love Dorian smashing his anus repeatedly? ;D :-*

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #111 on: April 27, 2013, 03:28:24 PM »
Whats the point of bodybuilding then? People always use the same excuse: "Shawn couldn't compete with the taller, heavier guys". What does height and weight have to do with it? Shawn simply looked better.

This is a sport of the genetic elite . height plays a role. You ask me who would I prefer to look like Shawn or Dorian , Shawn 24/7 but that has nothing to do with it.

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #112 on: April 27, 2013, 03:30:35 PM »
Are you saying ND would love Dorian smashing his anus repeatedly? ;D :-*

Outed , what's on your mind?  :-X

people can't separate what they prefer from what wins

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #113 on: April 27, 2013, 03:30:46 PM »
This is a sport of the genetic elite . height plays a role. You ask me who would I prefer to look like Shawn or Dorian , Shawn 24/7 but that has nothing to do with it.
So after 70,000+ posts, you just admitted you were wrong. Owned into oblivion.

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #114 on: April 27, 2013, 03:32:40 PM »
Exactly , he wanted the sport to bend towards his physique not how it works.

How do you explain Zane's victories?

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #115 on: April 27, 2013, 03:35:15 PM »
How do you explain Zane's victories?

Different era , biggest guys competing back then was 200/210lbs and Zane had an edge on conditioning as well as aesthetics and balance

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #116 on: April 27, 2013, 03:35:44 PM »
height plays a role.
It doesn't , height is not a part of bodybuilding judging criteria .

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #117 on: April 27, 2013, 03:38:13 PM »
So after 70,000+ posts, you just admitted you were wrong. Owned into oblivion.

 ??? I would prefer to look like Steve Reeves by I'm under no delusion he would beat Dorian

back in 1993 ,after the Olympia I was bitching & moaning about how Flex was robbed and no way Dorian should have beat him , then I learned how contests were judged and just how far ahead Dorian was

What you prefer and what you think should win means fuck-all


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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #118 on: April 27, 2013, 03:38:36 PM »
It doesn't , height is not a part of bodybuilding judging criteria .
no but the taller you are the more size you can carry

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #119 on: April 27, 2013, 03:38:43 PM »
People constantly retype this nonsense   ' Shawn refused to follow the size trend ', and it's not accurate , Shawn was a mass-monster just on a smaller scale , he just didn't have the height. Compare him to a guy of similar height like Lee Labrada who was give-or-take an inch shorter , Lee competed at 190lbs , Shaw was 205 and as high as 215lbs , that's as much as a 25lb weight difference !!!

Shawn was a mass monster but he was 5'7" if he was 5'11" he would have been 250

That's true. People mouth off nonsense all the time.

Shawn Ray was 'massive' for his frame. I respect the fact that he never went over the limits of his frame.

To me, that is the sign of a good bodybuilder, irrespective of the judges.

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #120 on: April 27, 2013, 03:42:31 PM »
no but the taller you are the more size you can carry

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It doesn't matter , how many successful bodybuilders over 6' do you know ? 90% of bodybuilders are very short .




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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #121 on: April 27, 2013, 03:43:19 PM »
It doesn't , height is not a part of bodybuilding judging criteria .

If you say so  ::) where are all these 5'0" Mr Olympia winners? last 6 out of 7 were all 5'9" and over with the exception of Dex

Height plays into structure , balance & proportion , some guys who are short like Lee Labrada have outstanding structures and proportions they look much taller ( alone ) than what they are , some guys look like 6 pounds of sugar stuffed in a 5 pound bag

Muscle looks better on a taller frame

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #122 on: April 27, 2013, 03:44:46 PM »
It doesn't matter , how many successful bodybuilders over 6' do you know ? 90% of bodybuilders are very short .





This is true however it seems to be between 5'8" and 5'11" is ideal for bodybuilding

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #123 on: April 27, 2013, 03:46:04 PM »
If you say so  ::) where are all these 5'0" Mr Olympia winners? last 6 out of 7 were all 5'9" and over with the exception of Dex

Height plays into structure , balance & proportion , some guys who are short like Lee Labrada have outstanding structures and proportions they look much taller ( alone ) than what they are , some guys look like 6 pounds of sugar stuffed in a 5 pound bag

Muscle looks better on a taller frame
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Where are all these 6'4'' Mr  Olympia winners ?

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Re: Shawn Ray talking smack about dorian.
« Reply #124 on: April 27, 2013, 03:47:37 PM »
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Where are all these 6'4'' Mr  Olympia winners ?

Where are all these 5'0" ones? like I just said the ideal height seems to be between 5''8" and 5'11"