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Re: Pakistani Christian politician murdered for opposing blasphemy laws
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2011, 03:23:27 PM »
I agree.  There are a disproportionate amount of nut jobs in the middle east and/or of middle eastern descent who kill, maim and destroy lives and use Islam as their reasoning.  

There are questions that we need to answer in order to find out why this is happening.  Is it western backlash of failed foreign policy?  Is it boredom, a lack of something to live for due to an increasingly docile lifestyle?   Is this a result of apathy towards terrorists and extremists?  Maybe believing that as long as they are killing someone else, they aren't killing you?  That seems to be a problem in Saudi Arabia where the kingdom has become more and more at odds with a growing extremist view.  

Start by reading the Koran and the Hadith. They're just acting like they have been for the last 1400 years. Their targets change every few hundred years or so (first it was Europe, then India and now the US/western world).

But of course if you can't read what is in the koran, anyone can tell you to forget the passage that says suicide will send you to hell and listen about how actually you'll get virgins in heaven because of it. 

That's because most Muslims are too stupid to realize that the Koran is a tool Arab supremacy.

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Re: Pakistani Christian politician murdered for opposing blasphemy laws
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2011, 03:42:49 PM »
Start by reading the Koran and the Hadith. They're just acting like they have been for the last 1400 years. Their targets change every few hundred years or so (first it was Europe, then India and now the US/western world).

That's because most Muslims are too stupid to realize that the Koran is a tool Arab supremacy.

The Koran is an inanimate object.  The problem is not necessarily the object, or perhaps even the content, but the interpretation of the content and whom is interpreting it.  Violent rhetoric can and does lead to acts of violence, we see this with radical Islam, but the bible too has violent rhetoric in it and we don't see the same violence from Christians.  This would lead me to believe that the problem is not with the Koran, but with the teaching of the koran and the context in which it is being understood. 
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Re: Pakistani Christian politician murdered for opposing blasphemy laws
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2011, 06:13:32 PM »
The Koran is an inanimate object.  The problem is not necessarily the object, or perhaps even the content, but the interpretation of the content and whom is interpreting it.  Violent rhetoric can and does lead to acts of violence, we see this with radical Islam, but the bible too has violent rhetoric in it and we don't see the same violence from Christians.  This would lead me to believe that the problem is not with the Koran, but with the teaching of the koran and the context in which it is being understood. 

Ok. So maybe you have a point. It's possible that generations of inbreeding, poor hygine, illiteracy, stupidity, poverty and coddling by left wing windbags such as yourself has contributed to the problems with the Muslim worlds "interpretation". While the millions of lunatics plotting to destroy the civilzed world bone up on their interpretation skills what should I do in the meantime? Maybe I could learn Arabic and explain the Koran to Muslims in some sort of inner city terrorist youth outreach program. Or, maybe we (and by we I mean normal people that live in developed countries) should stop pussyfooting around the issue and acknowledge that regardless of the root cause of the violence, the violence is here to stay and will only worsen if we keep coddling and making excuses for these animals.

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Re: Pakistani Christian politician murdered for opposing blasphemy laws
« Reply #28 on: March 04, 2011, 08:39:13 AM »
Ok. So maybe you have a point. It's possible that generations of inbreeding, poor hygine, illiteracy, stupidity, poverty and coddling by left wing windbags such as yourself has contributed to the problems with the Muslim worlds "interpretation". While the millions of lunatics plotting to destroy the civilzed world bone up on their interpretation skills what should I do in the meantime? Maybe I could learn Arabic and explain the Koran to Muslims in some sort of inner city terrorist youth outreach program. Or, maybe we (and by we I mean normal people that live in developed countries) should stop pussyfooting around the issue and acknowledge that regardless of the root cause of the violence, the violence is here to stay and will only worsen if we keep coddling and making excuses for these animals.

I haven't made an excuse for extremism.  I've merely given a possible explanation.  Literacy however, can and will be a viable solution.  I'm not saying military action and repercussions are not necessary.  Just that force alone will not solve this issue, unless you are talking about mass genocide of all muslims, which i hope you are not. 

The problem is there is no easy answer.  It is not a matter of choosing between kill or coddle as you would put it.
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Re: Pakistani Christian politician murdered for opposing blasphemy laws
« Reply #29 on: March 04, 2011, 08:41:56 AM »
I haven't made an excuse for extremism.  I've merely given a possible explanation.  Literacy however, can and will be a viable solution.  I'm not saying military action and repercussions are not necessary.  Just that force alone will not solve this issue, unless you are talking about mass genocide of all muslims, which i hope you are not. 

The problem is there is no easy answer.  It is not a matter of choosing between kill or coddle as you would put it.


Yeah, and you ignored the 800lb gorilla in the room because it does not jive with your whacked out views on this issue.   

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Re: Pakistani Christian politician murdered for opposing blasphemy laws
« Reply #30 on: March 04, 2011, 09:02:39 AM »

Yeah, and you ignored the 800lb gorilla in the room because it does not jive with your whacked out views on this issue.   

Which is what exactly? 
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Re: Pakistani Christian politician murdered for opposing blasphemy laws
« Reply #31 on: March 07, 2011, 08:26:53 PM »
BHATTI KNEW HE WOULD BE KILLED
Zenit.org ^ | MARCH 7, 2011


CARDINAL TAURAN: BHATTI KNEW HE WOULD BE KILLED

Stresses Need for Interreligious Respect

ROME, MARCH 7, 2011 (Zenit.org).- Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, who knew the assassinated Pakistani Federal Minister for Minorities, Shahbaz Bhatti, recalled that the man knew he would be murdered for his beliefs. Bhatti, 42, the only Christian member of Pakistan's cabinet, was shot repeatedly Wednesday as he left his mother's home in Islamabad. Cardinal Tauran, president of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, recalled the "honor and joy" of meeting Bhatti several times. The prelate said that the minister told him in confidence, "I know that I will die murdered, and I offer my life for Christ and for the [interreligious] dialogue."

"These are circumstances that make one proud to be a Christian," the cardinal said. He made these comments on Friday at Rome's Pontifical University Antonianum during the inauguration of a new chair of spirituality and interreligious dialogue in honor of Bishop Luigi Padovese, who was murdered June 3, 2010 in Turkey. Cardinal Tauran recalled Bishop Padovese's "intellectual aptitude, his kindness and smile, because in him there was no duplicity, he did not feel superior but wished to be a pastor, a successor of Paul of Tarsus." Exchange of gifts

The prelate affirmed that despite these violent acts, interreligious dialogue, especially with Muslims, has been advancing. He noted that with the Second Vatican Council "for the first time in the history of the magisterium a positive judgment was given on non-Christian religions." Interreligious dialogue, the cardinal said, "is a dialogue between believers" and, therefore, "it isn't a dialogue between religions but between concrete persons."

He explained that it is "a dialogue between persons who profess different religions and whose aim is to get to know one another and to exchange spiritual gifts, respecting liberty of conscience, avoiding proselytism and accepting that one can change one's religion."

Therefore, Cardinal Tauran added, "each one agrees not to give up his convictions but to allow himself to be challenged, and to take into consideration matters that are different from those of his community, hoping to acquire further knowledge to see the other's religion with objectivity and to enrich his own spiritual life with the positive elements" of the other religions.

He highlighted three necessary elements that go together: identity, otherness and exchange of ideas. The cardinal specified that "it is not a question of creating a sort of universal and passé-partout religion but rather of placing oneself before God and engaging in this pilgrimage towards truth." Identity

Meanwhile, he said, one must "have a clear identity of one's religion." "For a Christian, Jesus is the only Savior and Mediator between God and men," the prelate clarified. Without "this spiritual identity, one cannot dialogue," he said. "We have the good fortune of having a Pope like Benedict XVI who teaches these contents of the faith, because faith is not an ensemble of emotions but it has contents."

Moreover, Cardinal Tauran stated, "it is necessary to be humble and to acknowledge the errors of yesterday and of today" as well as to "recognize others' values" and also "to understand one another in order to live in good harmony and to share common values."

He underlined four dimensions of this arena: "The dialogue of life, good neighbor relations and occasional meetings; the dialogue of works when together there is collaboration for the common good such as in volunteer work; the theological dialogue, when possible, to understand in depth the respective religious heritages; and the dialogue of spirituality." The cardinal affirmed that to "avoid any sort of syncretism, we do not say that all religions are more or less the same thing, but that all believers have the same dignity, which isn't the same thing."

Therefore, he added, "a Catholic begins by affirming his own faith without giving room to ambiguity." "Other religions do not necessarily constitute a negative challenge," the prelate said, "because they drive us to reflect further on the signs of Christ in the heart of his followers."



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