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Post office doing just fine...
« on: March 02, 2011, 08:15:27 PM »
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41875688/ns/business-consumer_news/?GT1=43001

"Unless things change, the post office will run out of money by the end of the fiscal year in October, Postmaster General Patrick R. Donahoe told the House Oversight subcommittee on the postal service.

Donahoe said that as of Sept. 30 his agency will owe the federal government a payment of $5.5 billion to fund medical costs, in advance, for future retirees, and in November it will need to make a $1.3 billion payment for worker's compensation.

"The Postal Service will not have the cash available to make both of these payments."

If it does come down to crunch time, said Donahoe: "We will deliver the mail." Employees will be paid, as will suppliers, he said. "The thing we will not do is pay the federal government."

Without some important changes to the law the post office "cannot survive as a self-financing entity,"

The requirement was imposed in 2006, and since then the post office has paid $21 billion into the fund and, during the same period, has had a net loss of $20 billion, explained Ruth Goldway, head of the independent Postal Regulatory Commission."

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2011, 07:08:13 AM »
USPS warns of default on retiree benefits
May 18, 2011 - 5:41am

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PrintEmail   By Jared Serbu
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The Postal Service will begin to default on its financial obligations just over four months from now unless Congress takes action to relieve it of its obligation to pre-fund retiree health care accounts, its leader told lawmakers Tuesday.

USPS expects to post a net loss of $8.3 billion for this fiscal year, nearly as much as it lost last year. And with its $15 billion debt limit due to be reached this year, more borrowing is not an option, Postmaster General Pat Donahoe said in testimony before a subcommittee of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs committee.

Despite our aggressive cost cutting and revenue generating efforts, we are in serious financial predicaments today," he said. "As things stand, we do not have the cash to make the $5.5 billion prepayment for future retiree health benefits due on September 30. And we may be forced to default on other payments. This could extend to operational expenses."

USPS contends the prepayment for future retirees is a financial obligation that none of its competitors, nor any government agency, has to live with. The requirement came along with a 2006 postal reform bill that was passed when mail volume was at its peak.

Officials say the payments were also based on what was then a much larger employee base. USPS has cut its workforce by 113,000 since then. Donahoe said in written testimony to the subcommittee on federal financial management that not only can USPS not afford the future retiree health bill this year, but that without Congressional action, it's inevitable that the organization will eventually default on payments to employees and suppliers as well.

After the hearing, he told reporters that was a last resort, and skipping the retiree health payment this year would provide at least some breathing room.

"The last thing we would do would be to negatively disrupt the delivery of mail, because it's tremendously disruptive to American commerce," he said. "There's trillions of dollars that go through the mail. 52 percent of Americans still pay their bills through the mail versus online."

The postal service also wants Congress to refund up to $75 billion it says it has overpaid into the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS), and another $7 billion in overpayments into the Federal Employee Retirement System (FERS). It would use that money to finish off its retiree health benefit prepayments and pay down its accumulated debt.

But Donahoe said those were short term fixes. Longer term health for the postal service, he said, means more management flexibility, including the option to go from six-day to five-day delivery.

He said USPS is also working to cut more costs by removing excess capacity from the postal system, including the politically-sensitive subject of closing post offices themselves.

"In some small offices, we're looking at consolidation because what we're finding is that many of these offices don't even have an hour's worth of work in a day," he said. "If it's close to another office, a mile or so, we can consolidate. In other cases, many towns have three businesses: a general store, a gas station and a post office. What we're looking for is to talk to the general store or the gas station to take a contract to provide postal services. There are many options, and we want to hear from people, but we have to move on these things."

Sen. Tom Carper (D-Del.), the chairman of the subcommittee, has introduced legislation that would give the postal service what says it needs. It would allow USPS access to the excess FERS and CSRS funds it has paid so it can pay off its retiree health benefits once and for all.

Carper said it would also let USPS management run the organization with less Congressional interference.

"No business, facing the kind of challenges the postal service faces today, would survive very long if they were told how many retail outlets they should have or where they should be located, or if they were prevented from making operational changes or taking advantage of the resources they have at their disposal," Carper said. "Yet that's what Congress does to the postal service."

Carper believes USPS needs to think of new ways to generate revenue, and his legislation would let it sell or provide non-postal products and services, as long as they're in the public interest.

His legislation also would let USPS ship alcoholic beverages for the first time.

"We think it's an excellent idea," Donahoe said."What the Postal Service brings is convenience in that whole industry. We've seen other posts—Australia Post for an example has done that—and that's one of their biggest growth products."

He said carriers would not deliver alcohol directly to a home, but would require an adult to pick the package up at a post office.

Several lawmakers expressed concerns about the five-day delivery idea, particularly members representing Hawaii and Alaska, where delivery times are longer, and residents, particularly in remote areas, are heavily reliant on mail.

And Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-Mo.) said USPS might be surrendering its biggest competitive advantage.

"If you were looking at this through the very cold lens of just a pure business model, you're giving away the major advantage you have when you give away that sixth day," she said. "What keeps us from going to four? If we go to five, aren't we really talking about the beginning of a death spiral here?"

Donahoe doesn't believe so.

He said Saturdays are easily the postal service's lowest volume day, because commercial advertising customers don't want their mailings to arrive on Saturday, when people are busy doing other things. Nonetheless, he said he was not particularly excited about eliminating Saturday delivery.

"We do not want to go to five day delivery," he said. "Financially, we're in a situation where we've got to take that as an option. It is tied directly to the loss of first class mail volume. America's changing. People are paying bills online. Every time a bill's paid online, that's 18 cents (of profit) we can't use to cover six-day delivery and a number of these small post offices."

On the subject of small post office closures, lawmakers heard some pushback from labor organizations. Mark Strong, president of the National League of Postmasters, said USPS spends less than one percent of its overall budget on the smallest one-third of its post offices. He said the organization should find new ways to use its physical locations, rather than shutting them down and contracting out their services.

"Post offices are where the American flag flies in every community in this country," Strong said. "To take those flags down and replace them with grocery stores or gas stations should be the last alternative. We should be putting more government services into those postal facilities."

In addition to Carper's bill, Sen. Susan Collins (R-Maine) has introduced a separate postal reform proposal that would order the Office of Personnel Management to recalculate USPS's contributions to federal pension accounts to prevent future overpayments.

Donahoe said USPS supported that bill, but without the extra management flexibility the Postal Service is asking for, he said leaders will be back before Congress next year, facing another looming payment default.



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Tags: Congress, pay and benefits, management, USPS, FERS, CSRS, Tom Carper, Pat Donahoe, Susan Collins, Mark Strong, National League of Postmasters, Jared Serbu

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2011, 07:22:47 AM »
Ahem.  Did anyone claim that the post office was doing fine?  ;D

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2011, 09:35:03 AM »
Ahem.  Did anyone claim that the post office was doing fine?  ;D

Bum has my exact quote saved so hopefully he'll post it

you'll see it's not exactly what you have paraphrased

in the meantime let's remember that the USPS is not allowed to make a profit and in the article above they are talking about having to prepay healthcare costs which none of their private competitors are required to do

USPS warns of default on retiree benefits
May 18, 2011 - 5:41am

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PrintEmail   By Jared Serbu
Reporter
Federal News Radio



The Postal Service will begin to default on its financial obligations just over four months from now unless Congress takes action to relieve it of its obligation to pre-fund retiree health care accounts, its leader told lawmakers Tuesday.

USPS expects to post a net loss of $8.3 billion for this fiscal year, nearly as much as it lost last year. And with its $15 billion debt limit due to be reached this year, more borrowing is not an option, Postmaster General Pat Donahoe said in testimony before a subcommittee of the Senate Homeland Security and Government Affairs committee.

Despite our aggressive cost cutting and revenue generating efforts, we are in serious financial predicaments today," he said. "As things stand, we do not have the cash to make the $5.5 billion prepayment for future retiree health benefits due on September 30. And we may be forced to default on other payments. This could extend to operational expenses."

USPS contends the prepayment for future retirees is a financial obligation that none of its competitors, nor any government agency, has to live with. The requirement came along with a 2006 postal reform bill that was passed when mail volume was at its peak.
(Copyright 2011 by FederalNewsRadio.com. All Rights Reserved.)

Tags: Congress, pay and benefits, management, USPS, FERS, CSRS, Tom Carper, Pat Donahoe, Susan Collins, Mark Strong, National League of Postmasters, Jared Serbu

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2011, 09:38:15 AM »
you'll see it's not exactly what you have paraphrased



Post exactly what you stated.

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2011, 09:42:26 AM »
Post exactly what you stated.

do a search and you can probably find it

I don't care enough to make the effort

I'm sure Bum will do it eventually

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2011, 09:51:49 AM »
Straw,

So then paraphrase what you said. 


to the best of your recollection....

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2011, 09:59:27 AM »
Post exactly what you stated.

YOU started a thread on January 24th which contains my quote

it took about 3 seconds to find it

do your own work next time

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=363885.0

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2011, 10:06:23 AM »
YOU started a thread on January 24th which contains my quote

it took about 3 seconds to find it

do your own work next time

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=363885.0

HEHEHEHEEH!!!  Damn, boy. Why are you such a sensitive assmuncher?

Thanks for doing what you originally said you wouldn't do. Now I know for a fact that you are a left wing democrat nut job.

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2011, 10:09:33 AM »
HEHEHEHEEH!!!  Damn, boy. Why are you such a sensitive assmuncher?

Thanks for doing what you originally said you wouldn't do. Now I know for a fact that you are a left wing democrat nut job.

Thanks for being too lazy to find your own thread which included my quote and I'm guessing too lazy to have actually read it too

it took about 3 seconds but maybe it's beyond your attention span

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2011, 10:17:29 AM »
Thanks for being too lazy to find your own thread which included my quote and I'm guessing too lazy to have actually read it too

it took about 3 seconds but maybe it's beyond your attention span

You are one funny left wing idiot.

I just asked the question. You took it upon yourself to research it. I didn't ask you to research it. I stated "post exactly what you stated". Is your Alzheimers' that bad that you can't recollect what you originally said? Or are you afraid of contradicting yourself?

Meh, bottom line is you were wrong. Move on.

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #11 on: May 18, 2011, 10:21:37 AM »
You are one funny left wing idiot.

I just asked the question. You took it upon yourself to research it. I didn't ask you to research it. I stated "post exactly what you stated". Is your Alzheimers' that bad that you can't recollect what you originally said? Or are you afraid of contradicting yourself?

Meh, bottom line is you were wrong. Move on.

 move on?

you're the one who started the thread 5 months ago and then couldn't be bothered to remember it, find it or apparently even read it


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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #12 on: May 18, 2011, 10:22:32 AM »
You are one funny left wing idiot.

I just asked the question. You took it upon yourself to research it. I didn't ask you to research it. I stated "post exactly what you stated". Is your Alzheimers' that bad that you can't recollect what you originally said? Or are you afraid of contradicting yourself?

Meh, bottom line is you were wrong. Move on.

If you really want a belly laugh - check out straws post on the debt limit matter.   

According to Straw - if only we have spent 300 billion of the stim bill on more ball washing programs for africans, as opposed to a piddly tax cut, we would be in great shape now.   

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #13 on: May 18, 2011, 10:24:58 AM »
If you really want a belly laugh - check out straws post on the debt limit matter.   

According to Straw - if only we have spent 300 billion of the stim bill on more ball washing programs for africans, as opposed to a piddly tax cut, we would be in great shape now.   

bullshit

show me that quote

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #14 on: May 18, 2011, 10:25:07 AM »
If you really want a belly laugh - check out straws post on the debt limit matter.   

According to Straw - if only we have spent 300 billion of the stim bill on more ball washing programs for africans, as opposed to a piddly tax cut, we would be in great shape now.   

I read that he also stated that George Washington or some other founding father was as liberal as him. Did he state that?

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« Reply #15 on: May 18, 2011, 10:28:29 AM »
I read that he also stated that George Washington or some other founding father was as liberal as him. Did he state that?

you read that huh?

it must be one of my famous "frases"

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« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2011, 11:27:20 AM »
LOL!

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #17 on: September 05, 2011, 09:10:03 AM »
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Postal Service Facing Default, Shutdown Without Congressional Intervention
Published September 05, 2011
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The head of the U.S. Postal Service said in an interview that the organization will default -- perhaps as early as this winter -- unless Congress intervenes.

Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe's comments reflect a well-known reality that the Postal Service is in dire financial straits. The rise of email and online bill-paying has steadily eroded its profits over the years while labor costs soar. Donahoe is calling for a host of changes, including the elimination of Saturday delivery, to close a deficit projected to top $9 billion this year.

But he said Congress needs to step in to help keep the service alive.

"Our situation is extremely serious," he told The New York Times. "If Congress doesn't act, we will default."

According to The New York Times, the service will be unable to make a $5.5 billion retiree health care payment later this month and is expected to run out of money to pay workers and other expenses early next year. This could force a shutdown in delivery.

Averting that outcome doesn't necessarily mean a bailout. One thing the service wants from Congress is a law to effectively nullify a contract prohibition on layoffs -- part of Donahoe's plan involves laying off 120,000 workers, but he needs Congress' help.

Some in Congress are also looking at letting the organization recover billions in supposedly overpaid pension payments.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/05/postal-service-facing-default-shut-down-without-congressional-intervention/

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #18 on: September 05, 2011, 09:32:57 AM »
Here's an idea

let them raise the first class postage rate rather than having a below market rate as compared to any other country

Another idea, don't require them prepay into a defined benefit pension plan that they've already overpaid by into by an estimated 6.9 billion**.

Even better, get rid of the defined benefit pension and switch completely to defined contribution plan

Finally, get rid of the rule the the USPS has to be revenue neutral.   This makes no sense.  Why shouldn't they be allowed to make a profit so they will have a surplus when times are good.

There are lot's of things they can do to fix the problems

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-22/u-s-postal-service-will-suspend-contributions-into-employee-pension-fund.html

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #19 on: September 05, 2011, 09:36:44 AM »
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Postal Service Facing Default, Shutdown Without Congressional Intervention
Published September 05, 2011
FoxNews.com


The head of the U.S. Postal Service said in an interview that the organization will default -- perhaps as early as this winter -- unless Congress intervenes.

Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe's comments reflect a well-known reality that the Postal Service is in dire financial straits. The rise of email and online bill-paying has steadily eroded its profits over the years while labor costs soar. Donahoe is calling for a host of changes, including the elimination of Saturday delivery, to close a deficit projected to top $9 billion this year.

But he said Congress needs to step in to help keep the service alive.

"Our situation is extremely serious," he told The New York Times. "If Congress doesn't act, we will default."

According to The New York Times, the service will be unable to make a $5.5 billion retiree health care payment later this month and is expected to run out of money to pay workers and other expenses early next year. This could force a shutdown in delivery.

Averting that outcome doesn't necessarily mean a bailout. One thing the service wants from Congress is a law to effectively nullify a contract prohibition on layoffs -- part of Donahoe's plan involves laying off 120,000 workers, but he needs Congress' help.

Some in Congress are also looking at letting the organization recover billions in supposedly overpaid pension payments.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/05/postal-service-facing-default-shut-down-without-congressional-intervention/

Hahaha. I wonder if Straw Man has any stocks he thinks we should pick? Enron, maybe? Worldcom? Sino Forest?  ::)

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #20 on: September 05, 2011, 09:51:05 AM »
  I work for Netflix and this has me a tad worried.

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #21 on: September 05, 2011, 09:58:13 AM »
Hahaha. I wonder if Straw Man has any stocks he thinks we should pick? Enron, maybe? Worldcom? Sino Forest?  ::)

If USPS was a public company do you think they would get a govt bailout?

do you think they wouldn't be allowed to make a profit

would they be required to offer their services below the market rate

would they be able to recoup overpayment to their pension

etc...

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« Reply #22 on: September 05, 2011, 10:28:13 AM »
http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/09/05/postal.default/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Washington (CNN) -- The U.S. Postal Service does not have the money to meet an obligation to a retiree health care trust fund coming due at the end of the month, but if there's a default, officials promise no interruption in the mail, the payroll or payments to suppliers.

Commenting in response to a New York Times article Monday suggesting that the Postal Service may have to shut down within months, spokeswoman Yvonne Yoerger said there's "nothing actually new in the Postal Service's position."

"We are required to make this $5.5 billion payment into the future retiree health benefits fund and probably won't be able to make it when it comes due September 30th."

The fund was mandated by a 2006 postal reform act that postal officials today believe does not match the reality of declining revenues and a smaller work force. Tuesday, congressional lawmakers will address the matter in a hearing on postal operations.


Yoerger said at that hearing, Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe will insist that the fund be re-scaled from the days when there were 900,000 people on the payroll. The mandated funding level has not changed in the years since then, although the Postal Service has trimmed 250,000 jobs.She said "the fact is, no other government agency and few corporations in the private sector are required to fund retiree health benefits 75 years out."

The newspaper quoted U.S. Sen. Thomas Carper, D-Delaware, as saying the financial problems are so dire the Postal Service may close this year.

Yoerger agrees that her agency does not have a sustainable business model but stopped short of saying a shutdown is possible. One answer is to adjust those mandated payments.

"We want to have the pre-funding mandate eliminated and have the money already paid into it used for those purposes" of covering health care benefits for future retirees. She said, "We've overpaid into our retirement funds, and we'd like some of those overpayments refunded and used for future funding."

She acknowledged the basis for the advance payments were mandated in 2006 because lawmakers wanted assurances that the Postal Service could cover benefits for its future pensioners.

In addition to relief from the future retiree payment mandate, Yoerger said the proposed business plan of the Postal Service would include a combination of closing post offices, expanding joint ventures with private industry and changes in how often you get the mail.

"Right now we are required to deliver six days a week," she said, "if it can go to five days a week, as proposed, we could better match the declining volume of mail."

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #23 on: September 05, 2011, 11:23:55 AM »
  I work for Netflix and this has me a tad worried.

I wouldn't worry.  It's "too big to fail."  Plus, if it did fail, someone else would quickly fill the void (Fed-Ex, UPS, etc.). 

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« Reply #24 on: September 05, 2011, 12:48:29 PM »
I wouldn't worry.  It's "too big to fail."  Plus, if it did fail, someone else would quickly fill the void (Fed-Ex, UPS, etc.).  

UPS or FedEx would in no way be able to fill the void of the USP, at least not at anywhere near the same "below market" postal rates that we currently enjoy