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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2011, 01:10:41 PM »
Funny how there's not alot of public criticism for the workers being overly paid and crazy benefits/payouts over the years like there is over other civil servants.

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #26 on: September 06, 2011, 04:25:38 AM »
Hey Nostradamus Straw Man, got any investment advice? I figure I could make a killing by doing the exact opposite of anything you suggest.

Up is down and left is right in your world.

"The post office is doing fine". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .


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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #27 on: September 06, 2011, 04:41:04 AM »
Lmao!  To the delusional left - bankruptcy and unsustainability are perfectly acceptable business models.

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #28 on: September 06, 2011, 07:55:29 AM »
Hey Nostradamus Straw Man, got any investment advice? I figure I could make a killing by doing the exact opposite of anything you suggest.

Up is down and left is right in your world.

"The post office is doing fine". HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA .



if you're going to quote me then don't be a liar and make up quotes

my actual quote is on the first page of this thread

I assumed you ignored that along with all the other salient info I've posted on this thread regarding USPS problems and how they could be addressed

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #29 on: September 06, 2011, 01:04:16 PM »
USPS running out of cash; may default on pensions
KGO ^ | 9/5/11 | KGO




The postal service says it's running out of cash and may not be able to make a $5.5 billion pension payment this month.

In fact, the postmaster general says things are so tight, the postal service may have to shut down this winter unless congress takes emergency action to stabilize its finances.


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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #30 on: September 06, 2011, 01:08:31 PM »
if you're going to quote me then don't be a liar and make up quotes

my actual quote is on the first page of this thread

I assumed you ignored that along with all the other salient info I've posted on this thread regarding USPS problems and how they could be addressed
I hate the State.

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #31 on: September 06, 2011, 01:11:40 PM »
333 - good job not reading

http://www.cnn.com/2011/US/09/05/postal.default/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Washington (CNN) -- The U.S. Postal Service does not have the money to meet an obligation to a retiree health care trust fund coming due at the end of the month, but if there's a default, officials promise no interruption in the mail, the payroll or payments to suppliers.

Commenting in response to a New York Times article Monday suggesting that the Postal Service may have to shut down within months, spokeswoman Yvonne Yoerger said there's "nothing actually new in the Postal Service's position."

"We are required to make this $5.5 billion payment into the future retiree health benefits fund and probably won't be able to make it when it comes due September 30th."

The fund was mandated by a 2006 postal reform act that postal officials today believe does not match the reality of declining revenues and a smaller work force. Tuesday, congressional lawmakers will address the matter in a hearing on postal operations.

Yoerger said at that hearing, Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe will insist that the fund be re-scaled from the days when there were 900,000 people on the payroll. The mandated funding level has not changed in the years since then, although the Postal Service has trimmed 250,000 jobs.She said "the fact is, no other government agency and few corporations in the private sector are required to fund retiree health benefits 75 years out."
The newspaper quoted U.S. Sen. Thomas Carper, D-Delaware, as saying the financial problems are so dire the Postal Service may close this year.

Yoerger agrees that her agency does not have a sustainable business model but stopped short of saying a shutdown is possible. One answer is to adjust those mandated payments.

"We want to have the pre-funding mandate eliminated and have the money already paid into it used for those purposes" of covering health care benefits for future retirees. She said, "We've overpaid into our retirement funds, and we'd like some of those overpayments refunded and used for future funding."

She acknowledged the basis for the advance payments were mandated in 2006 because lawmakers wanted assurances that the Postal Service could cover benefits for its future pensioners.

In addition to relief from the future retiree payment mandate, Yoerger said the proposed business plan of the Postal Service would include a combination of closing post offices, expanding joint ventures with private industry and changes in how often you get the mail.

"Right now we are required to deliver six days a week," she said, "if it can go to five days a week, as proposed, we could better match the declining volume of mail."


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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2011, 05:00:51 AM »
White House to Propose Plan to Help Postal Service (Unions stick to no-layoff clause)
ny times ^ | 9/7/2011 | steven greenhouse




The Obama administration said on Tuesday that it would seek to save the deficit-plagued Postal Service from an embarrassing default by proposing to give it an extra three months to make a $5.5 billion payment due on Sept. 30 to finance retirees’ future health coverage.

Speaking at a Senate hearing, John Berry, director of the federal Office of Personnel Management, also said the administration would soon put forward a plan to stabilize the postal service, which faces a deficit of nearly $10 billion this fiscal year and had warned that it could run out of money entirely this winter.

“We must act quickly to prevent a Postal Service collapse,” said Senator Joseph Lieberman, independent of Connecticut, who is chairman of the Senate Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee, which held the Tuesday hearing on the Postal Service’s financial crisis.

Postmaster General Patrick R. Donahoe testified that even with a three-month reprieve on the $5.5 billion payment, the post office was likely to run out of cash and face a shutdown next July or August unless Congress passed legislation that provided a long-term solution for the ailing agency.


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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2011, 10:54:13 AM »
U.S. POSTAL SERVICE MAY BE FORCED TO CLOSE FOR THE WINTER
the Blaze ^ | September 5, 2011 | Becket Adams



The United States Postal Service (USPS) is going to have to find a way to make up for hemorrhaging financial losses (which has already rendered them incapable of making a $5.5 billion payment to its employee healthcare plan by the Sept. 30 due date) or face the possibility of closing shop for the winter.

Their unique situation raises two questions: first, how did it come to this? Second, how should it be addressed?


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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2011, 11:24:19 AM »
if you're going to quote me then don't be a liar and make up quotes

my actual quote is on the first page of this thread

I assumed you ignored that along with all the other salient info I've posted on this thread regarding USPS problems and how they could be addressed

Are you literate?

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2011, 11:35:24 AM »
Are you literate?

are you?

Here's a simple reading comprehension test for you

Here's an idea

let them raise the first class postage rate rather than having a below market rate as compared to any other country

Another idea, don't require them prepay into a defined benefit pension plan that they've already overpaid by into by an estimated 6.9 billion**.

Even better, get rid of the defined benefit pension and switch completely to defined contribution plan

Finally, get rid of the rule the the USPS has to be revenue neutral.   This makes no sense.  Why shouldn't they be allowed to make a profit so they will have a surplus when times are good.

There are lot's of things they can do to fix the problems

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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-22/u-s-postal-service-will-suspend-contributions-into-employee-pension-fund.html

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2011, 11:44:52 AM »
are you?

Here's a simple reading comprehension test for you


A simple no would have been sufficient.

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2011, 11:57:56 AM »
A simple no would have been sufficient.

translation = you're are not literate or simply can't understand the words you are reading

 

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2011, 12:23:12 PM »
translation = you're are not literate or simply can't understand the words you are reading

 
How can you state you are literate? Look at your post. Horrendous.

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #39 on: November 15, 2011, 02:38:06 PM »
Postal Service reports massive $5 billion loss
cnn ^ | 11/15/11 | J O'Toole




The U.S. Postal Service released its annual financial results on Tuesday, and they're nothing to write home about.

The agency reported an annual loss of $5.1 billion, as declining mail volumes and mounting benefit costs take their toll. The Postal Service said its losses would have been roughly $10.6 billion if not for the passage of legislation postponing a $5.5 billion payment required to fund retiree health benefits.

PrintCommentRevenues from First-Class Mail, the Postal Service's largest and most profitable product, declined 6% from the previous fiscal year to $32 billion. Total mail volume declined by 3 billion pieces, or 1.7%.

"The continuing and inevitable electronic migration of First-Class Mail, which provides approximately 49 percent of our revenue, underscores the need to streamline our infrastructure and make changes to our business model," Postal Service CFO Joe Corbett said in a statement accompanying the figures.

Postmaster General and CEO Patrick Donahoe said in the statement that the Postal Service must reduce its annual costs by $20 billion by the end of 2015 to return to profitability.

Last year's losses hit $8.5 billion, despite deep cuts in expenses and staffing. Mail volume is down more than 20% over the past four years.


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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #40 on: December 02, 2011, 07:55:57 PM »
USPS wants to limit next-day guarantee
By Jennifer Liberto @CNNMoney December 2, 2011

WASHINGTON (CNNMoney) -- The U.S. Postal Service on Monday will announce a cost-savings proposal that would no longer guarantee next-day delivery of first-class mail.

The financially troubled agency will present to its overseers a proposal to change its national standard for first-class mail to two-to-five days from one-to-three, according to interviews with several mail industry officials who received a presentation by the agency this week.

"This isn't a change we're happy about," said Art Sackler, executive director of the National Postal Policy Council, a trade group for large mailers. "But if they don't cut somewhere and substantially, they're going to run out of cash next summer. It's one of the lesser evils."

Right now, customers on average receive mail the day after it was mailed, according the postal service. That may still happen, but a lot less frequently under the proposed rules, say the insiders who were briefed on the proposal.

The proposed rules are not a surprise. The postal service asked for public comment in September on "eliminating the expectation of overnight service" for first class mail. But it could have a major impact on customers, especially those who still use the mail to pay their bills.

It wasn't immediately clear when the plan could take effect.

"These changes are being proposed, because they will allow for significant consolidation of the entire postal network in terms of facilities, processing equipment, vehicles and employee workforce," said U.S. Postal Service spokeswoman Sue Brennan.

The Postal Service is on the brink of insolvency. It's facing another 20% drop in mail volume on top of the 20% volume drop it has already weathered. It has racked up $5.1 billion in debt this year and faces a deadline to make another $5.5 billion payment to its health care retirement fund on Dec. 18.

Lawmakers in the House and Senate are working on different bills to save the postal service.

Some areas of the country may still get next-day delivery, depending on whether their local mailing processing plant survives the next set of potential closures now under review. The Postal Service wants to bring the number of mail processing facilities down to under 200 from 463 that exist today, according to its 2011 annual report.

The paperwork announcing "service standard" changes will be filed with Postal Regulatory Commission on Monday, when more details will be released.

Attendees of a meeting this week of the Mailers' Technical Advisory Committee said postal officials discussed the proposed changes. Cutting back on guaranteed next-day delivery of first-class mail would help make the mail processing system more efficient, postal officials said.

Right now, the Postal Service runs mail processing equipment about six hours a day, on average, said Jessica Lowrance, executive vice president of the Association for Postal Commerce. The goal is to run the equipment 20 hours a day, said Lowrance, who attended the meeting.

But the move could be quite controversial, especially among unions that oppose any moves that degrade the quality of mail service and cost mail customers.

Union groups want Congress to solve the agency's cash crunch by relieving it from the burden of having to make multi-billion dollar payments to a fund for future health care retiree benefits.

The agency is linking the service changes to its effort to close mail processing facilities, which often employ hundreds of workers. For example, a possible plant closing in Tulsa, Oklahoma, could affect nearly 600 employees.

These employees can't be laid off, per union contracts. But they can be forced to take a job that could be hundreds of miles away.

Consider the Oct. 1. closure of a mail processing plant in Sioux City, Iowa, which hit 95 employees. A half dozen employees retired early and 13 took jobs in Sioux Falls -- 82 miles away. Another 34 workers found employment within the postal service in Sioux City. The fate of another 22 employees is still unclear, according to the president of the postal union there.

"We have people who are 55 years old and spent their careers processing mail indoors and are now forced to carry mail in the elements in the Midwest," said Scott Tott, local president of the union local in Sioux City. "Yes, it disrupts lives."

http://money.cnn.com/2011/12/02/news/economy/postal_service_next_day/index.htm

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #41 on: December 02, 2011, 08:00:47 PM »
Time to privatize the post office  8)

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2011, 09:45:54 AM »
Time to privatize the post office  8)

or we can just rescind the 2006 postal legislation which requires them, among other things, to prepay pension costs 75 years in advance on employees that don't exist (something that no public agencies or company has to do).  We can also let them raise the cost of first class postage and also allow them to actually make a profit.

All those things would happen if it were privatized so there is no argument against doing them now


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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #43 on: December 03, 2011, 09:57:14 AM »
Sure... or we can just privatize the Post Office.  ;D

It would help deal with the problems associated with a government-run "business."

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #44 on: December 03, 2011, 09:59:38 AM »
Sure... or we can just privatize the Post Office.  ;D

It would help deal with the problems associated with a government-run "business."

why

so a small group of people can make a huge profit?


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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #45 on: December 03, 2011, 10:01:13 AM »
why

so a small group of people can make a huge profit?




Versus the taxpayers having to bail them out?    LMFAO!!!!

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #46 on: December 03, 2011, 10:06:08 AM »

Versus the taxpayers having to bail them out?    LMFAO!!!!

due to the 2006 legislation the USPS has paid the government more than their current deficit

if were bailiing them out it's with money they already gave us

their "loss" is virtually identical to the bogus pension payments

I've given a few simple solution in this thread and others:   rescind the 2006 legislation, let them make a profit (something they are not allowed to do by law), let them raise the cost of first class postage (we have the lowest of any country in spite fo the fact that we have the largest geographic delivery area) and, my personal preference for all government agencies.....get rid of the defined benefit pension plan and go to a defined contribution


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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #47 on: December 03, 2011, 10:09:19 AM »
I agree with you on the pension situation.   In NYS we have a situation like you cant believe.   

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #48 on: December 03, 2011, 10:18:25 AM »
why

so a small group of people can make a huge profit?



What's wrong with profit? Profit is the economic reward for taking resources which are less valuable and turning them into a product which is more valuable.

Privatizing the Post Office would remove it from this arena of political bickering that is keeping it down by your own admission. It would also remove it from being affected by other forms of government failure, e.g. rent seeking by public unions.

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Re: Post office doing just fine...
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2011, 10:37:18 AM »
Raise the price of stamps to $2.50 each.