Author Topic: GO GET 'EM!!! Wisconsin Senate OKs arrest of absent Dems for contempt (Read 3159 times)

MCWAY · « **on:** March 03, 2011, 11:17:34 AM »

Now, it REALLY GETS GOOD! It's perp-walk time!!!

Wisconsin Senate OKs arrest of absent Dems for contempt

The Wisconsin Senate has passed a resolution calling for police to take 14 Democrats into custody for contempt after they fled to Illinois to avoid voting on a union rights bill, the Associated Press reports.

The resolution says the absent Democrats are determined to be guilty of contempt and disorderly content.

It gives the sergeant at arms the authority to take any and all steps, with or without force and assistance from police, to bring the senators back, the AP says.

Republican Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald says today's action is legally different from an arrest, but "definitely a shift from asking them politely."

The vote comes two weeks after the Democrats left the state to delay a vote on Republican Gov. Scott Walker's proposal taking away most collective bargaining rights from public workers.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/ondeadline/post/2011/03/wisconsin-senate-oks-arrest-of-absent-dems-for-contempt/1

pro nitrousADRL · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2011, 11:26:56 AM »

good, serves the chicken shits right

tu_holmes · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2011, 11:30:15 AM »

Contempt of what?

How can the legislative branch of government do that?

Sounds like an abuse of power.

MCWAY · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2011, 11:35:53 AM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 03, 2011, 11:30:15 AM

Contempt of what?

How can the legislative branch of government do that?

Sounds like an abuse of power.

Abuse of power? PLEASE!!!

Running like a coward, because the outcome won't be to your liking is an ABUSE OF POWER.

I say: Cuff 'em; stuff 'em; and drag their sorry behinds back to Wisconsin, so they can DO THE JOB THEY GET PAID TO DO.

pro nitrousADRL · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2011, 11:39:39 AM »

More like theft , those officials get paid to do a job, but instead they run off and hide, but are still getting paid. I believe that should be theft. If I got paid to do my job but I ran and hid for to weeks I would fired at the least.

Not to mention those people took an oath to do a job, that they are not doing hiding out.

Emmortal · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:13:02 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 03, 2011, 11:30:15 AM

Contempt of what?

How can the legislative branch of government do that?

Sounds like an abuse of power.

How is running away from your tax payer funded job not an abuse of power? Are you really that dense or just trolling?

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:22:02 PM »

These dems are a joke.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2011, 12:27:35 PM »

Quote from: Emmortal on March 03, 2011, 12:13:02 PM

How is running away from your tax payer funded job not an abuse of power? Are you really that dense or just trolling?

No... I'm not saying they shouldn't be removed from office. They should... but that's not what I'm saying.

I'm asking how a legislative branch of government can order the arrest of citizens.

MCWAY · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:09:39 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 03, 2011, 12:27:35 PM

No... I'm not saying they shouldn't be removed from office. They should... but that's not what I'm saying.

I'm asking how a legislative branch of government can order the arrest of citizens.

That's probably a clause in Wisconsin's constitution. We'll have to check.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2011, 01:40:37 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on March 03, 2011, 01:09:39 PM

That's probably a clause in Wisconsin's constitution. We'll have to check.

I would think we would... Sounds sketchy.

If you want to impeach those people in office... If that's also allowed... Then I'm cool with that, but I'm just not down with any legislative branch of government having the power to arrest it's citizens... That's fascism.

Princess L · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:33:20 PM »

Quote from: MCWAY on March 03, 2011, 11:35:53 AM

Abuse of power? PLEASE!!!

Running like a coward, because the outcome won't be to your liking is an ABUSE OF POWER.

I say: Cuff 'em; stuff 'em; and drag their sorry behinds back to Wisconsin, so they can DO THE JOB THEY GET PAID TO DO.

Unfortunately it only applies if they are IN Wisconsin. Can't 'arrest' them if they're over the boarder. It has been reported that some of them have been "spotted" at their homes occasionally. One of them is a woman who is 8 mos. pregnant.

1500 layoff notices go out tomorrow because of their lack of foresight

blacken700 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:45:03 PM »

Wisconsin Cops to Walker: Yeah right.... Nice try..

So the Wisconsin Senate has ordered the arrest of the Senate Democrats:

Senate Republicans Thursday ordered the arrest of their 14 Democratic colleagues, who fled the state two weeks ago to avoid a vote on Gov. Scott Walker's controversial budget repair bill.

It's unclear whether the resolution to force the senators back to the Capitol is constitutional. The state Constitution prohibits the arrest of legislators while in session unless they're suspected of committing felonies, treason or breach of the peace.

Democrats say the Republicans have overreached, and have consulted an attorney for an opinion on whether the GOP actions are legal.

"The Republicans have gone around the bend," said Sen. Chris Larson, D-Milwaukee. "They've just increased their bullying tactics and are producing an even greater divide in our state."

James Troupis, a private attorney hired by Fitzgerald, contended Thursday that the move is legal. He cited a portion of the state Constitution that provides that each house "may compel the attendance of absent members."

But Wisconsin police are saying they won't and can't enforce this. I am so used to authoritarian cops who don't give a damn about anyone else's rights that I'm deeply impressed by the Wisconsin cops who are refusing to allow themselves to be used against the governor's political opponents. Let's hear it for Jim Palmer!

Wow. Let’s hear it for the Wisconsin Professional Police Association. Today the organization slammed Senate Republicans after they ordered the detention of 14
Democratic Senators staying in Illinois “with or without force.” Here’s the statement by these defenders of civil liberties and democracy:

Politics aside, encouraging the forcible detention of duly elected lawmakers
because they won’t allow you to dictate with a free hand is an unreasonable
abuse of police power,” said WPPA Executive Director Jim Palmer. “Due to the fact that Wisconsin officers lack any jurisdiction across state lines, does Senator Fitzgerald intend to establish a ‘lawmaker border patrol? The thought of using law enforcement officers to exercise force in order to achieve a political objective is insanely wrong and Wisconsin sorely needs reasonable solutions and not potentially dangerous political theatrics.

Tags: Jim Palmer, Wisconsin Professional Police Association

Skip8282 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2011, 03:54:20 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 03, 2011, 01:40:37 PM

I would think we would... Sounds sketchy.

If you want to impeach those people in office... If that's also allowed... Then I'm cool with that, but I'm just not down with any legislative branch of government having the power to arrest it's citizens... That's fascism.

Are you really that dumb? Any legislative branch in this country can pass laws and then create an agency to enforce them - some, more limited than others.

Hell, who do you think the U.S. Capitol Police answer to? Hint - it ain't Obama.

Wether or not Wisconsin is set up to get these morons, IDK. But it's not facism and a completely normal power for legislative bodies.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:03:43 PM »

These demo cry babies need to be impeached and removed asap.

After that - I would fire all of these union cun@s and make the jobs open nationwide and ask for resumes. Same deal as being offered by walker. Millions would flood the state begging on hand and knee for those jobs.

I'm so sick of these greedy pigs in state employment looking at the taxpayer like a pinata.

Fire em all - every last one of them, cops, teachers, all of them.

blacken700 · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:06:41 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 03, 2011, 04:03:43 PM

These demo cry babies need to be impeached and removed asap.

After that - I would fire all of these union cun@s and make the jobs open nationwide and ask for resumes. Same deal as being offered by walker. Millions would flood the state begging on hand and knee for those jobs.

I'm so sick of these greedy pigs in state employment looking at the taxpayer like a pinata.

Fire em all - every last one of them, cops, teachers, all of them.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:09:59 PM »

Seriously, if you opened those jobs to the public, millions would apply overnight.

Skip8282 · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:15:08 PM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 03, 2011, 04:09:59 PM

Seriously, if you opened those jobs to the public, millions would apply overnight.

Too extreme for me as you would lose a huge knowledge base and a lot of experienced people. I think the governor's going to have to budge somewhat, just wondering how much.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:22:18 PM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on March 03, 2011, 03:54:20 PM

Are you really that dumb? Any legislative branch in this country can pass laws and then create an agency to enforce them - some, more limited than others.

Hell, who do you think the U.S. Capitol Police answer to? Hint - it ain't Obama.

Wether or not Wisconsin is set up to get these morons, IDK. But it's not facism and a completely normal power for legislative bodies.

Actually, you're wrong... legislative branch does make laws... They have no legal right to "enforce" them.

The executive branch enforces the laws... hence why capitol police report to the governor... Not the Senate or House.

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:22:22 PM »

Not for me at all. We have 15 million in need of work.

If these union slobs and pieces of trash are not happy w their employment situation or what is proposed, they can quit, be replaced easily, and jobs filled overnight by more qualified motivated people in need of work.

I have not a drop of sympathy for these people. I was in a DOL today on a case and there were literally hundreds on people all on top of one another seeking anything from job training, listings, anything. These people would do almost anything for work.

When I hear crybaby public employees who are pampered as it is, sorry charlie, buck up and get w the program or move on.

Skip8282 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:37:00 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 03, 2011, 04:22:18 PM

Actually, you're wrong... legislative branch does make laws... They have no legal right to "enforce" them.

The executive branch enforces the laws... hence why capitol police report to the governor... Not the Senate or House.

I'm not wrong, nor can you point to any evidence showing that a legislative body cannot enforce it's own law.

By the way, the U.S. Capitol Police don't have a governor. Nor do they answer to the mayor genius.

Here, educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Police_Board

Skip8282 · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:39:54 PM »

I should clarify that if a state has enacted specific laws, then the legislative body can't enforce it's own laws. But, I know of no state doing that. Maybe in the constitutions of some, IDK.

tu_holmes · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2011, 04:47:56 PM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on March 03, 2011, 04:37:00 PM

I'm not wrong, nor can you point to any evidence showing that a legislative body cannot enforce it's own law.

By the way, the U.S. Capitol Police don't have a governor. Nor do they answer to the mayor genius.

Here, educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Police_Board

The Capitol police of a state dude... We're talking about a state... not the US Capitol Police... Most states have a Capitol police... That's what we are talking about.

Why not stop trying to confuse the point and understand that no... Legislative Branches do not enforce laws... executive branches do.

EVEN in the US government.... Since you are so keen on self education.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_branch_of_government_enforces_the_law

The Executive Branch enforces the law.

This seems to be a source of confusion for a lot of people. The three branches of government have complementary functions:

* The Executive Branch (President) enforces or carries out the laws

* The Legislative Branch (Congress: The Senate and House of Representatives) makes the laws

* The Judicial Branch (Federal Courts) interprets and applies the laws and makes sure they're constitutional.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_branch_of_government_enforces_the_law#ixzz1FaTl2StC

tu_holmes · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2011, 05:03:09 PM »

Quote from: Skip8282 on March 03, 2011, 04:37:00 PM

I'm not wrong, nor can you point to any evidence showing that a legislative body cannot enforce it's own law.

By the way, the U.S. Capitol Police don't have a governor. Nor do they answer to the mayor genius.

Here, educate yourself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Police_Board

Dude... even your own wiki shows the leadership:

Leaders
Senate

President (list) • President pro tempore (list) • Majority and minority leaders • Assistant party leaders • Democratic Caucus (Chair • Secretary • Policy Committee Chair) • Republican Conference (Chair • Vice-Chair • Policy Committee Chair)
House

Speaker (list) • Majority and minority leaders • Party whips • Democratic Caucus • Republican Conference

Guess who the President of the Senate is?

The Vice President... (Feel free to click your own link if you like) Which is in the Executive Branch of government.

Skip8282 · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2011, 05:17:20 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 03, 2011, 04:47:56 PM

The Capitol police of a state dude... We're talking about a state... not the US Capitol Police... Most states have a Capitol police... That's what we are talking about.

Why not stop trying to confuse the point and understand that no... Legislative Branches do not enforce laws... executive branches do.

EVEN in the US government.... Since you are so keen on self education.

I'm not confused, you are. You're confusing the way things are normally handled vs. the way things must be handled.

Nothing you posted demonstrates that a legislative body must defer to the executive for enforcement.

I gave you the U.S. Capitol Police as an example (which you're still unable to refute).

And I am educating myself - that's why I'm in my 2nd yr for my Master's in Government and why I know you're full of shit.

AGAIN, post ANY proof that a legislative body cannot enforce it's own laws.

Want a state example - look at Virginia Capitol Police. They do not fall under the executive:

Here is their police chief who was appointed by the legislature NOT the governor.

The Virginia State Police issued the following news release:

House of Delegates Speaker William J. Howell (R-Stafford) today announced the appointment of Virginia State Police Captain Kimberly S. Lettner to serve as Chief of Police for the Virginia Capitol Police. Colonel Lettner will assume her new post, effective January 5, 2007.

Lettner was selected for this leadership position by the General Assembly's Legislative Support Commission. The Chief of Police serves as the Chief Executive Officer of the Division of Capitol Police, which is a legislative agency reporting to the Legislative Support Commission chaired by the Speaker of the House. The seven-member Commission …

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P3-1190673651.html

Skip8282 · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2011, 05:20:22 PM »

Quote from: tu_holmes on March 03, 2011, 05:03:09 PM

Dude... even your own wiki shows the leadership:

Leaders
Senate

President (list) • President pro tempore (list) • Majority and minority leaders • Assistant party leaders • Democratic Caucus (Chair • Secretary • Policy Committee Chair) • Republican Conference (Chair • Vice-Chair • Policy Committee Chair)
House

Speaker (list) • Majority and minority leaders • Party whips • Democratic Caucus • Republican Conference

Guess who the President of the Senate is?

The Vice President... (Feel free to click your own link if you like) Which is in the Executive Branch of government.

lol, no Tu, that is not showing the leadership of the Capitol Police, that chart is a partial overview of Congress. Just like "the media" portion of the chart is not part of the Capitol Police, lol.

Don't worry dude, it's common place on here to not want to simply admit, you don't know. You're not a student of government, so I probably should not have called you dumb. For that, I can admit I was wrong.