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[Krankenstein]

When i took deca for the first time i was expecting the "deca dick" everyone was talking about...acne and stuff like that. I took it (with test)...my skin cleared and my sex drive was high.
Im talking 2 yrs ago.

Ok, so why is it now that I am on 100mg of cyp per week and breaking out like a mother fucker???  (only doing hrt prescribed by doc....not UG....am done with 'bodybuilding' pre se.  Used to be natural but as of a couple months ago I decided to go the hormone route)

[Luolamies]

Ok, so why is it now that I am on 100mg of cyp per week and breaking out like a mother fucker???  (only doing hrt prescribed by doc....not UG....am done with 'bodybuilding' pre se.  Used to be natural but as of a couple months ago I decided to go the hormone route)

EVERYONE reacts differently to steroids...

For example: dianabol 30 mg is absolutely the highest i can go these days, i'm usually on much lower  dosages, say 20 mg and i get the full look, BUT my blood pressure shoots up and i don't allways feel that good...

My training partner was on 80 mg for months and he didn't have ANY bp issues, but then again he didn't even fill out that well, so as far as steroids go, it's just a crap shoot...

[Krankenstein]

EVERYONE reacts differently to steroids...

For example: dianabol 30 mg is absolutely the highest i can go these days, i'm usually on much lower  dosages, say 20 mg and i get the full look, BUT my blood pressure shoots up and i don't allways feel that good...

My training partner was on 80 mg for months and he didn't have ANY bp issues, but then again he didn't even fill out that well, so as far as steroids go, it's just a crap shoot...

I have no other issues other than the breaking out.....really is fucking annoying.

[lesaucer]

Ok, so why is it now that I am on 100mg of cyp per week and breaking out like a mother fucker???  (only doing hrt prescribed by doc....not UG....am done with 'bodybuilding' pre se.  Used to be natural but as of a couple months ago I decided to go the hormone route)

weird, before i started the sauce i had some acne on shoulders and back all the time.. now i pump up 1500mg test+900mg deca+sdrol and only have like 2 little zits every month...kills the gym and feel like a god.  fuck the medias and their anti-steroids propaganda..
maybe check your estrogen level? if its too high its probably the reason for acne

[Krankenstein]

weird, before i started the sauce i had some acne on shoulders and back all the time.. now i pump up 1500mg test+900mg deca+sdrol and only have like 2 little zits every month...kills the gym and feel like a god.  fuck the medias and their anti-steroids propaganda..
maybe check your estrogen level? if its too high its probably the reason for acne

Thats what one HRT doc in florida told me.  He actually said that I should be doing 200mg/week with arimadex (25mg) EOD.  I dont know if he ever suggests stopping for a while...but thats the program (oh, and with hcg as well...not sure how much)

[lesaucer]

Thats what one HRT doc in florida told me.  He actually said that I should be doing 200mg/week with arimadex (25mg) EOD.  I dont know if he ever suggests stopping for a while...but thats the program (oh, and with hcg as well...not sure how much)

then im pretty sure its the hcg.. lots of guys say they get acne when they use it, logic too because it cause your test level to go up and down. while on test e your levels are pretty much all the time stable.. if I was you i would use hcg only like 2 weeks every 3 months to get the balls working again, also using nolva in that time as it stimulate them in another way too.. also depend if you want kids too, if you do you should stop all this shit.. me i dont so no worry about that.. then again guys like ronnie and levrone got kids after all the abuse so.. your choice

[Van_Bilderass]

then im pretty sure its the hcg.. l

He's not on HCG yet.

If I went on HRT I would probably do this. Don't know if this doc has further updated the protocol, but something like this. The low-dose HCG can actually stabilize T levels.

My New HCG Protocol Paper
This paper is about to be published in The American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine 2004 Clinical Updates:

AN UPDATE TO THE CRISLER HCG PROTOCOL

By John Crisler, DO

In my paper “My Current Best Thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Men”, published in A4M’s 2004/5 Anti-Aging Clinical Protocols, I introduced a new protocol where small doses of Human Chorionic Gonadotrophin (HCG) are regularly added to traditional TRT (either weekly IM testosterone cypionate or daily cream/gel). The reasons and benefits of this protocol are as follows, along with a new improvement I wish to share:

Any physician who administers TRT will, within the first few months of doing so, field complaints from their patients because they are now experiencing troubling testicular atrophy. Irrespective of the numerous and abundant benefits of TRT, men never enjoy seeing their genitals shrinking! Testicular atrophy occurs because the depressed LH level, secondary to the HPTA suppression TRT induces, no longer supports them. It is well known that HCG—a Luteinizing Hormone (LH) analog—will effectively, and dramatically, restore the testicles to previous form and function. It accomplishes this due to shared moiety between the alpha subunits of both hormones.

So, that satisfies an aesthetic consideration which should not be ignored. Now let’s delve into the pharmacodynamics of the TRT medications. For those employing injectable
testosterone cypionate, the cypionate ester provides a 5-8 day half-life, depending upon the specific metabolism, activity level, and overall health of the patient. It is now well-established that appropriate TRT using IM injections must be dosed at weekly intervals, in order to avoid seating the patient on a hormonal, and emotional, roller coaster. Adding in some HCG toward the end of the weekly “cycle” compensates for the drop in serum androgen levels by the half-life of the cypionate ester. Certainly the body thrives on regularity, and supplementing the TRT with endogenous testosterone production at just the right time—without inappropriately raising androgen OR estrogen (more on that later)—approximates the excellent performance stability of transdermal testosterone delivery systems for those who, for whatever reason or reasons, prefer test cyp.

But there’s another metabolic reason to employ this protocol. The P450 Side Chain Cleavage enzyme, which converts CHOL into pregnenolone at the initiation of all three metabolic pathways CHOL serves as precursor (the sex hormones, glucocorticoids and mineralcorticoids), is actively stimulated, or depressed, by LH concentrations. It is intuitively consistent that during conditions of lowered testosterone levels, commensurate increases in LH production would serve to stimulate this conversion from CHOL into these pathways, thereby feeding more raw material for increased hormone production. And vice versa. Thus the addition of HCG (which also stimulates the P450scc enzyme) helps restore a more natural balance of the hormones within this pathway in patients who are entirely, or even partially, HPTA-suppressed.

It is important that no more than 500IU of HCG be administered on any given day. There is only just so much stimulation possible, and exceeding that not only is wasteful, doing so has important negative consequences. Higher doses overly stimulate testicular aromatase, which inappropriately raises estrogen levels, and brings on the detrimental effects of same. It also causes Leydig cell desentization to LH, and we are therefore inducing primary hypogonadism while perhaps treating secondary hypogonadism. 250IU QD is an effective, and safe, dose. After all, we are merely replacing that which is lost to inhibition.

In my previous report I recommended 250IU of HCG twice per week for all TRT patients, taken the day of, along with the day before, the weekly test cyp injection. After looking at countless lab printouts, listening to subjective reports from patients, and learning more about HCG, I am now shifting that regimen forward one day. In other words, my test cyp TRT patients now take their HCG at 250IU two days before, as well as the day immediately previous to, their IM shot. All administer their HCG subcutaneously, and dosage may be adjusted as necessary (I have yet to see more than 350IU per dose required).

I made this change after realizing that the previous HCG protocol was boosting serum testosterone levels too much, as the test cyp serum concentrations rise, approaching its peak at roughly the 72 hour mark. The original goal of supporting serum androgen levels with HCG had overshot its mark.

Those TRT patients who prefer a transdermal testosterone, or even testosterone pellets (although I am not in favor of same), take their HCG every third day. They needn’t concern themselves with diminishing serum androgen levels from their testosterone delivery system. These patients will, of course, notice an increase in serum androgen levels above baseline.

While HCG, as sole TRT, is still considered treatment of choice for hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism by many , my experience is that it just does not bring the same subjective benefits as pure testosterone delivery systems do—even when similar serum androgen levels are produced from comparable baseline values. However, supplementing the more “traditional” TRT of transdermal, or injected, testosterone with HCG stabilizes serum levels, prevents testicular atrophy, helps rebalance expression of other hormones, and brings reports of greatly increased sense of well-being and libido. My patients absolutely love it. As time goes on, we are coming to appreciate HCG as a much more powerful--and wonderful--hormone than previously given credit.

Copyright John Crisler, DO 2004. This article may, in its entirety or in part, be reprinted and republished without permission, provided that credit is given to its author, with copyright notice and 2. All Things Male - Center for Men's Health clearly displayed as source. Written permission from Dr. Crisler is required for all other uses.

[Krankenstein]

He's not on HCG yet.

If I went on HRT I would probably do this. Don't know if this doc has further updated the protocol, but something like this. The low-dose HCG can actually stabilize T levels.

The FL guy recommended 500units of HCG every week.....and .5mg of anastrozole EOD

[Jack T. Cross]

muscle centers is not natural. he just takes less than 1g total of hormones..which is natural nowdays

Seriously, he won Mr. Taiwan as a "life time natural".

[Benoitlapierre]

muscle centers is not natural. he just takes less than 1g total of hormones..which is natural nowdays

LMAOL ..

[Game Time]

Who cares?

He is a cool dude who puts up some quality posts. 90% of this boards BBing material comes from the guys posts.

Leave him in peace!!

[lvtolft]

Who cares?

He is a cool dude who puts up some quality posts. 90% of this boards BBing material comes from the guys posts.

Leave him in peace!!

Agreed!

[Meso_z]

Leave him alone. (not natural) 

[The Grim Lifter]

Who cares gh15 thinks anyone with any muscle is on everything, or whatever flavour of the month is with him, huge amonuts of GH, huge amounts of Tren etc. To him Musclecenter has been using for 30 years and lying about it. Everyone is a liar remember. If they say they arn't using then they are.

[HTexan]

Not natural

no legs, so could be natural?

[disco_stu]

Who cares gh15 thinks anyone with any muscle is on everything, or whatever flavour of the month is with him, huge amonuts of GH, huge amounts of Tren etc. To him Musclecenter has been using for 30 years and lying about it. Everyone is a liar remember. If they say they arn't using then they are.

x2..


spot on.

its because everyone gh15 knows use some sort of drug, and every gain gh15 has ever made has been the result of using drugs.

the guy uses bb boards as therapy to justify his own reliance on drugs and make him feel like he has accomplished something when in reality he hasnt..

he hasnt learnt anything either- other than drugs make muscles.

[Cleanest Natural]

I think musclecenter is a great guy but yes he uses

[mass243]

I like to dissect girls. Did you know I'm utterly insane?

Why would it be wrong to give sluts what they want 

[Alexander D]

it would be interesting to hear you speak about the gurus in the sport.

ie-

The Chad

Oscar the homo

Handy Rimjob

Chris Asseata

etc

Forgive me "god" if this has already been discussed in your bible

Alex D approved

[Stavios]

please adress gh15 as MR.gh15

thanks

[claymore]

it would be interesting to hear you speak about the gurus in the sport.

ie-

The Chad

Oscar the homo

Handy Rimjob

Chris Asseata

etc

Forgive me "god" if this has already been discussed in your bible

Alex D approved

I'll try to sum it up best I can...think of them as life coaches, if you need one it's pretty pathetic.

[The Grim Lifter]

His opinion on Chad will be biased.

[Secret Stack]

the circle of friends musclecentre is associated with gretaly looks down on drug use. he has built himself as a role model of what longevity and health means and he is a spokeman for that in his country.
musclecentre is in the same category "healthy old men can look good too" as the kyoshi moody guy and natural bodybuilding that he will be finished in his community if it ever got out that he was a user.

is it possible for the human body to secrete the gh levels from the pitary gland at age 60+ to keep such tight and low bf% levels? the testosterone still high as it ever was to maintain muscle fullness like that?

[Jack T. Cross]

Not so much asking whether an "anti-juice" person is using juice or not, but more whether that person has placed himself in a position where he is acting as a hypocritical liar.

MC is a good dude, though...just saying.

[Master Blaster]

x2..


spot on.

its because everyone gh15 knows use some sort of drug, and every gain gh15 has ever made has been the result of using drugs.

the guy uses bb boards as therapy to justify his own reliance on drugs and make him feel like he has accomplished something when in reality he hasnt..

he hasnt learnt anything either- other than drugs make muscles.

In other words he learned EVERYTHING!!! That = EVERYTHING

when you get it?

drug = muscle

damn you fuckers are slow to accept the truth

liitle tiny cut muscle = natural

moderte, to slightly elevated muscle = highly toxic, highly powerfull haladrol/Superdrol/ M1T actual steroids, strongest ones that are made

muscle = drug = EVERY TRUTH about bodybuilding

once you know the truth, its like you are talking to little children