6 meals a day and proper macros my ass! LOL!

[tbombz]

no its because we maximized our growtrh on the way to become profesional and in the first 2 years of being professional!!!!!!!!!

the ones now day like kukelo can nto grow if they  get profesional card because they already head over hills in insulina

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thats half the reason.

the other half of it is because they arent lifting heavier.

dorian was already maxed out on drugs when he turned pro. but he continued to grow. because he lifted heavier and heavier 

[gh15]

thats half the reason.

the other half of it is because they arent lifting heavier.

dorian was already maxed out on drugs when he turned pro. but he continued to grow. because he lifted heavier and heavier 

NO,,he continued to grow because HE FOUND OUT INSULINA IN HIGHER DOSES CREATE BIGGER GUTS AND BIGGER MUSCLES,,he was what mishko claimn to be ,,DORIAN YATES IS! he father of insulina in bodybuild!! thats where the lie is,,mishko was always a follower and a thief,,the real brain was dorians ,,for god sake it has nothing to do with heavy nothing

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[tbombz]

NO,,he continued to grow because HE FOUND OUT INSULINA IN HIGHER DOSES CREATE BIGGER GUTS AND BIGGER MUSCLES,,he was what mishko claimn to be ,,DORIAN YATES IS! he father of insulina in bodybuild!! thats where the lie is,,mishko was always a follower and a thief,,the real brain was dorians ,,for god sake it has nothing to do with heavy nothing

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you can either keep hormones the same and increase poundage

or you can keep poundage the same and increase hormones

increasing hormones will have a bigger effect


but once your maxed out your maxed out

and then you have to increase the weights or else you wont make any progress


just accept this so all your fanboys will finally realize they need to train heavy to get best results. not everbody has the genetics to blow up massive off roids without training hevay. most people have to get super strong along with taking loads of roids in order to look half decent. thats a fract. if you want to help guys, and not just sell drugs, then start emphasizing the fat that in order to get best results you have to be very strong.

[cephissus]

tbombz do you really think pros are "too stupid" to think to try lifting heavier?

why would you think this?

and i'm surprised you think "training hard" = "lifting heavy."  lifting heavy is easy.  anyone who's ever done a 3rm and a 20rm on squats can tell you that.

[gh15]

you can either keep hormones the same and increase poundage

or you can keep poundage the same and increase hormones

increasing hormones will have a bigger effect


but once your maxed out your maxed out

and then you have to increase the weights or else you wont make any progress


just accept this so all your fanboys will finally realize they need to train heavy to get best results. not everbody has the genetics to blow up massive off roids without training hevay. most people have to get super strong along with taking loads of roids in order to look half decent. thats a fract. if you want to help guys, and not just sell drugs, then start emphasizing the fat that in order to get best results you have to be very strong.

BALONIE!,,absolutly rubbish,, there are so many profesionals that dont even squat what the fuck are you talking about??? have you ever seen top amatuers train or top pro traine ,,when camera is not on....i suggest you reevalutate the shit you been taking or the shit you hear from your local town gym guros because they tell you shit,,AGAIN STRENGTH IS NICE AND DANDY,,BUT I KNOW RIGHT NOW OUT OF THE TIP OF MY HEAD 5 FELLAS THAT EACH PUSH  6 45 POUNDERS EACH SIDE OF HAMMERS FOR REPS WITH SHOULDERS THATS tons tons of weight ,,12 PLATES ON HAMMER SHOULDERS IS huge weight ,,AND YET THEY CAN NOT COMPLETE EVEN A LB OVER 190....WHY? THEY GOT ALL THE STRENGTH IN THE WORLD,,


IT IS BECAUSE MUSCLE SIZE HAS NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH YOU LIFT,,YES HEAVY LIFTING IS GOOD TO INCREAE MUSCLE SIZE BUT IT WILL ALWAYS BE TO A POINT DEPENDING ON MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE PART OF YOUR  GENETIC DISPOSITION ,,

THE STRONGEST FELLS ARE THE ONES WITH THE STRONGEST BONES,,LOOK AT MATT T FOR GOD SAKE HE IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST FELLS TO EVER BE ON GETBIG  AND HE IS WHAT? 150 BUCKS DOESNT EVEN LOOK LIKE HE LIFT,,I KEEP TELLIN YOU STRENGTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSCLE SIZE,,

THE BIGGEST MUSCLES COMES FROM O STIMULATION OF THE MUSCLE AND FROM ADUCATE DOSE OF HORMONES ,,STIMULATE THE MUSCLE WITH ENOUGH WEIGHT TO MAKE THE DRUGS YOU ARE ON WORK!  THAT IS IT! THAT IS ABSOLITLY IT

YOU GROW FROM THE FOLLOWING

MORE TRENBOLONA

MORE HG

MORE INSULIN


WHEN I SAY GROWTH I MEAN THAT GROWTH ! NOT BLOOFY SHIT,,LEAN  GROWTH THE ONE YOU ALL TALK ABOUT CAN ONLY ONLY HAPPEN WHEN THE DRUG TRENBOLONA IS IN THE BLOOD WITH THE TEST ,,THE MOMENT YOU WANT TO GO EVEN HIGHER YOU ADD GH AND THEN YOU ONLY LEFT WITH ONE THING SO YOU DONT GET TOO LEAN AND FLAT....THAT THING CALLED

I N S U L I N AND THAT THING RUINED BODYBUILD,,NO ONE WANT TO LOOK LIKE LEE HAINEY ANYMORE,,THEY AFRAID TO LOOK TOO SMALL AND ONLY HAVE 18 INCH ARMS OR 17 INCH ARMS,,SO THEY LOAD ON INSULINA,,

THIS IS HOW IT IS ,,

THE END

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[gh15]

tbombz do you really think pros are "too stupid" to think to try lifting heavier?

why would you think this?

and i'm surprised you think "training hard" = "lifting heavy."  lifting heavy is easy.  anyone who's ever done a 3rm and a 20rm on squats can tell you that.

he dotn get that the ones who lift very heavy  when it come to majority of the morons around alwyas go compete in the 190lb zone,,they never actualy grow into the big numbers of bodybuild ,,,those are also the guys who live to see their granchildren marry....because they dont abuse insulin ,,they are just strong and rely on gh and aas,,like it should be

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[buselmo]

So would you say that the higher volume training gives you a more refined and polished look?

yes... it gives you a different look. more pop to the muscle and for some reason you look less 'doughy' for lack of a better word...

here's a pic of when i competed training low volume, very heavy, slin, gh, tren, masteron, anavar, primo... almost every drug under the sun with guidance from a very famous trainer... not even close to the quality i had this contest.

and i weighed 84.5 kg here... only a 3 kg difference

[buselmo]

How did you get a "Texas" shirt over in BumFuckEgypt?

LOL!
got it from austin, bro 

[buselmo]

looking good, you got some good genetics man, start training seriously and stay on teh juice for an extended period of time and youll be a monster.

never said i didn't train seriously... i just said that in the past couple of months i didn't give my legs time of day because i'm a little lazy when it comes to legs for finding no reason to want them to be bigger or more defined... and i don't fancy trying to make them as big as humanly possible so that i could 'waddle' like a penguin and having normal people laugh at my legs thinking i'm obese or something.
i've developed some serious knee and shoulder problems from training like a retard since late 2006 and trying to force myself to get stronger... went up to squatting 495 lbs at one period of time... decline benched 365 lbs for 6-8 reps, incline smith benched 3 plates and a half each side for 6-8 reps and deadlifted 405 lbs... and i'm not a big dude... this has caused a ton of problems to my joints and did not make me look any better or grow any better.

and if you think the way i train right now is lazy, go try it. really... i was like you a couple of years ago... thinking people are lazy cuz they don't push themselves to get stronger and shit like that until i got fucked... everyone around me was growing and i was looking almost the exact same year after year...

try working out like serge nubret or gironda and then tell me that's lazy.
when you're half way through your sets for your first exercise, gasping for air, muscles burn like shit, and you look at the time and pray to god you have more rest time than you think between your sets and then see that you have 3 more seconds left to hit your set... then you start it and you almost cry from how bad it burns... 135 lbs on bench feels like 800 lbs!... and when you're done with your first exercise, your chest is so pumped you see muscle fibers you've never seen before... you start looking different... you eat like a bird yet you grow and grow and grow using less gear than you did when you lifted to crack your joints up and thinking bone and joint pain = muscle gain.
there's a reason why for years the top bodybuilders i see at the gym kept on laughing at the way i train and joke around saying "can i borrow your training for a couple of days? I have a couple of things i need to do outside and i don't wanna spend two hours here! LOL"...

i'm almost 30 now... and trust me Tbombz... in a couple of years, you'll change the way you think about "heavy = muscle, not heavy = lazy and not serious"...

[buselmo]

BALONIE!,,absolutly rubbish,, there are so many profesionals that dont even squat what the fuck are you talking about??? have you ever seen top amatuers train or top pro traine ,,when camera is not on....i suggest you reevalutate the shit you been taking or the shit you hear from your local town gym guros because they tell you shit,,AGAIN STRENGTH IS NICE AND DANDY,,BUT I KNOW RIGHT NOW OUT OF THE TIP OF MY HEAD 5 FELLAS THAT EACH PUSH  6 45 POUNDERS EACH SIDE OF HAMMERS FOR REPS WITH SHOULDERS THATS tons tons of weight ,,12 PLATES ON HAMMER SHOULDERS IS huge weight ,,AND YET THEY CAN NOT COMPLETE EVEN A LB OVER 190....WHY? THEY GOT ALL THE STRENGTH IN THE WORLD,,


IT IS BECAUSE MUSCLE SIZE HAS NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING TO DO WITH HOW MUCH YOU LIFT,,YES HEAVY LIFTING IS GOOD TO INCREAE MUSCLE SIZE BUT IT WILL ALWAYS BE TO A POINT DEPENDING ON MANY OTHER FACTORS THAT ARE PART OF YOUR  GENETIC DISPOSITION ,,

THE STRONGEST FELLS ARE THE ONES WITH THE STRONGEST BONES,,LOOK AT MATT T FOR GOD SAKE HE IS ONE OF THE STRONGEST FELLS TO EVER BE ON GETBIG  AND HE IS WHAT? 150 BUCKS DOESNT EVEN LOOK LIKE HE LIFT,,I KEEP TELLIN YOU STRENGTH HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSCLE SIZE,,

THE BIGGEST MUSCLES COMES FROM O STIMULATION OF THE MUSCLE AND FROM ADUCATE DOSE OF HORMONES ,,STIMULATE THE MUSCLE WITH ENOUGH WEIGHT TO MAKE THE DRUGS YOU ARE ON WORK!  THAT IS IT! THAT IS ABSOLITLY IT

YOU GROW FROM THE FOLLOWING

MORE TRENBOLONA

MORE HG

MORE INSULIN


WHEN I SAY GROWTH I MEAN THAT GROWTH ! NOT BLOOFY SHIT,,LEAN  GROWTH THE ONE YOU ALL TALK ABOUT CAN ONLY ONLY HAPPEN WHEN THE DRUG TRENBOLONA IS IN THE BLOOD WITH THE TEST ,,THE MOMENT YOU WANT TO GO EVEN HIGHER YOU ADD GH AND THEN YOU ONLY LEFT WITH ONE THING SO YOU DONT GET TOO LEAN AND FLAT....THAT THING CALLED

I N S U L I N AND THAT THING RUINED BODYBUILD,,NO ONE WANT TO LOOK LIKE LEE HAINEY ANYMORE,,THEY AFRAID TO LOOK TOO SMALL AND ONLY HAVE 18 INCH ARMS OR 17 INCH ARMS,,SO THEY LOAD ON INSULINA,,

THIS IS HOW IT IS ,,

THE END

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it took me years to understand this... write this down everyone...

[DK II]

I think it's funny that "tbombz", who is all drugs anyways (shitty drugs that is), is giving lectures about proper training.

He was a fat little kid that hopped on the cocaine diet and then straight to roids, there is NO training at all behind him.


tbombz, just STFU, you have no clue of what you are talking about.

[buselmo]

Have you seen the tattoo on his back??  

loooooool

finally someone understands what it means  

[Krankenstein]

try working out like serge nubret or gironda and then tell me that's lazy.
when you're half way through your sets for your first exercise, gasping for air, muscles burn like shit, and you look at the time and pray to god you have more rest time than you think between your sets and then see that you have 3 more seconds left to hit your set... then you start it and you almost cry from how bad it burns... 135 lbs on bench feels like 800 lbs!... and when you're done with your first exercise, your chest is so pumped you see muscle fibers you've never seen before... you start looking different... you eat like a bird yet you grow and grow and grow using less gear than you did when you lifted to crack your joints up and thinking bone and joint pain = muscle gain.
there's a reason why for years the top bodybuilders i see at the gym kept on laughing at the way i train and joke around saying "can i borrow your training for a couple of days? I have a couple of things i need to do outside and i don't wanna spend two hours here! LOL"...

i'm almost 30 now... and trust me Tbombz... in a couple of years, you'll change the way you think about "heavy = muscle, not heavy = lazy and not serious"...

You doing Gironda's 8x8?  If not, sweet geezus it sounded like you were.  Doing a legit 2 - 3 sec up, then down.  Then waiting only 20 - 30 seconds to do your next set......realizing that 4 sets in you are only halfway done.  Knees never felt so good as when I did that for legs.  What Gironda type training are you doing if not 8x8?

I also want to echo the sentiment on the joint pain.  For all the years of lifting heavy, heavy, heavy on legs....I have a problem squatting 315 for 10 without the impending doom of knee pain late ron that day, and for the next day or two after that.

[buselmo]

You doing Gironda's 8x8?  If not, sweet geezus it sounded like you were.  Doing a legit 2 - 3 sec up, then down.  Then waiting only 20 - 30 seconds to do your next set......realizing that 4 sets in you are only halfway done.  Knees never felt so good as when I did that for legs.  What Gironda type training are you doing if not 8x8?

I also want to echo the sentiment on the joint pain.  For all the years of lifting heavy, heavy, heavy on legs....I have a problem squatting 315 for 10 without the impending doom of knee pain late ron that day, and for the next day or two after that.

I tried the gironda 10x10 program a while back (last year) and i loved it! esepecially the diet that went with it. I was amazed at the pump i got and the fullness i had especially that i ate practically trace amounts of carbs on that diet!

but this year i've went on more like a serge nubret type of training.

3 exercises per muscle, 8 sets first exercise, 6 sets 2nd and 3rd exercise. hitting chest, back on sat and tue, delts and arms on sun and wed, legs on mon... 60 seconds rest between sets, sometimes less.

sometimes after the first 8 sets of leg extensions, i would hop off the machine and smash into the ground because my legs aren't strong enough after that fucked up exercise to carry my ass up.

i remember after training delts and arms, i'd go on the treadmill, and for the first 10-15 minutes, i'd have to grind my teeth to be able to take the burn i'm feeling in my shoulders (the muscle and not the joints)... with high volume, even if you aren't lifting heavy, but you put effort into it, you really feel like you're bodybuilding. not just throwing around weight and working out your ego.

[bic_staedtler]

and to anyone who think im wrong ,,they really dont knwo bodybuild,,the country the fella is from is surrounded with all you can eat hormone buffet,,even if not taken all the time,,it is always there ,,bodybuidl from those areas look the best,,and also overthere they take bodybuild very very seirously,,very very seriously! there is a reason we all go there for guest posing,,

i keep tellin you how it is ,,this physiqe he present has

tren in it ,,has testosterona in it,,had gh in it! which at times gh as said before by me open a window of 6-12 months for growth after discontinue of usage....remember we talk bodybuild here,,look at his before pictures,,he look completely diff!,,he look skinny fat,,with absolitly no muscle,,and from that to go to this prresented in pic.....just take a look at the development this is pretyy much upper torse change that only someone who knows his body to the t can make ,,and yes it can be doen with whatever diet you want if IF you know your body to the t like this fella does,,

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Holy flying fuckballs, 'man'.  Do you ever even fucking bother to spell check your shit?  Even for getbig, this above post is fucking UNREADABLE. 

[Meso_z]

I tried the gironda 10x10 program a while back (last year) and i loved it! esepecially the diet that went with it. I was amazed at the pump i got and the fullness i had especially that i ate practically trace amounts of carbs on that diet!

but this year i've went on more like a serge nubret type of training.

3 exercises per muscle, 8 sets first exercise, 6 sets 2nd and 3rd exercise. hitting chest, back on sat and tue, delts and arms on sun and wed, legs on mon... 60 seconds rest between sets, sometimes less.

sometimes after the first 8 sets of leg extensions, i would hop off the machine and smash into the ground because my legs aren't strong enough after that fucked up exercise to carry my ass up.

i remember after training delts and arms, i'd go on the treadmill, and for the first 10-15 minutes, i'd have to grind my teeth to be able to take the burn i'm feeling in my shoulders (the muscle and not the joints)... with high volume, even if you aren't lifting heavy, but you put effort into it, you really feel like you're bodybuilding. not just throwing around weight and working out your ego.

Any link with Girondas training splits/routines?

[buselmo]

Any link with Girondas training splits/routines?

I had the e-book but I lost the flash drive it was on 

but there are a lot of ways to do it... and every book/article/old school bodybuilder says the other guy is wrong in explaining gironda's shit...

most old school bodybuilders would tell you that it was basically a 3 day a week workout, hitting full body every work. each muscle 10 sets of 10 rep with 60 secs or less reps. he does specific exercises that he believes hits the muscle best...

others say his 10x10 workout is a muscle everyday hit with 10 sets of 10 reps with 60 secs or less rest.

I basically did
chest, delts
back, biceps
legs, triceps
rest
repeat

changing exercises each workout...

it's the idea that counts. failure with moderate/light weights... if you complete the whole thing, next workout you either cut rest time or increase weight just a bit.

[dyslexic]

Holy flying fuckballs, 'man'.  Do you ever even fucking bother to spell check your shit?  Even for getbig, this above post is fucking UNREADABLE. 

He does this for a reason.


And that reason has nothing to do with his abilities to spell correctly. I thought everyone knew this.


The only thing I've never really seen is when he CAPS out. Musta been kind of exasperated. The younger guys just don't get it.


But they will... sooner or later. Sooner, if they happen to be fortunate enough to train with someone who is of Pro caliber in their gyms. They can follow their workout routine to the "T" and watch the Pro caliber dude change each day, while they themselves (sadly) stay the same.


Just too ignorant or un-educated to know, and they sure aren't going to get any honesty from the "Pro" at their gym. He's gonna say; Protein, changed workout routine, blah, blah, fucking blah.


He's not going to say: Well this week I'm taking 1000 mgs of test and 200 mg of Anadrol a day. Next week I add the... no. It ain't like that. They lie to everyone (including themselves)


I know only because I trained with a guy just like this. I trained harder and was in better (not bigger, but "better") physical shape and he got all the size and spent a lot less time in the gym. He was always stealing money and trying to Personal Train just before a competition, and it wasn't so that he could pay his rent.

[Yev33]

It's funny to come across this thread on the day when Branch won the ASC. Once again hearing things like: the weights you lift have  nothing to do with how big you get. Put aside Coleman, Yates, Cormier, Levrone all of whom trained heavy during their hey days and were the biggest guys on stage. Look at Branch, yes he is on a ton of shit and no one denies it. Would he get to where he is now if he took less? No. But whould he also get to where he is at if he trained like a pussy and never used weights above 225lbs? Do you honestly think that the weights he used, and put his body through hell and injuries had nothing to do with all of the size he added? Branch is a great example of someone who busted his ass and became successful despite his genetics. How can you look at only one half of the formula (which is drugs) and completely overlook what the guy did in the gym? How can you say that none of that shit matters and he was wasting his time, when it has clearly paid off. Yes, he is far from being the most aesthetic and you can think that he did not deserve to win. But you can't ignore the route he took to get himself into the position he is now.

[Secret Stack]

there is a reason we all go there for guest posing,,

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...another hint dropped for you idiots lol.
think oxygen gym in kuwait and the usual group that go there...

i fkn love this guys style. says about once a month a new one. chose getbig because short attention span/memory here lol.

[Schmoe Buster]

...another hint dropped for you idiots lol.
think oxygen gym in kuwait and the usual group that go there...

i fkn love this guys style. says about once a month a new one. chose getbig because short attention span/memory here lol.

Yeah, 3 regular guys go there all the time

[cephissus]

Branch is a great example of someone who busted his ass and became successful despite his genetics. How can you look at only one half of the formula (which is drugs) and completely overlook what the guy did in the gym? How can you say that none of that shit matters and he was wasting his time, when it has clearly paid off.

I wish people would stop talking about genetics... can you examine his DNA?  Do you know the genetic code for "blows up when taking trenbolona?" or "massive biceps from concentration curls?" NO??? Have you exhaustively compared his training and drug regimen and the consequent physical changes to those of others following the exact same program, drug regimen, and diet, ie have you performed exhaustive, lifelong studies controlling for every variable aside from "genetics" (as if this were even possible)?  NO?!?!

THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW THE FIRST FUCKING THING ABOUT HIS GENETICS??

On the whole drugs vs. training thing, lets just look at some simple facts:

1.  Every massive pro takes shitloads of drugs.
2.  Some massive pros train "hard" and some train "like pussies."

Now, you may not be well versed in logic, but if you accept the preceding premises, I'll help you along to the conclusion:  if you are capable of being pro size, and take enough drugs, it probably doesn't matter too much how you train!

For all we know Branch might even get bigger if he did smooth, controlled reps with constant tension and less weight ie trained like he possessed a vagina.

[buselmo]

I wish people would stop talking about genetics... can you examine his DNA?  Do you know the genetic code for "blows up when taking trenbolona?" or "massive biceps from concentration curls?" NO??? Have you exhaustively compared his training and drug regimen and the consequent physical changes to those of others following the exact same program, drug regimen, and diet, ie have you performed exhaustive, lifelong studies controlling for every variable aside from "genetics" (as if this were even possible)?  NO?!?!

THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW THE FIRST FUCKING THING ABOUT HIS GENETICS??

On the whole drugs vs. training thing, lets just look at some simple facts:

1.  Every massive pro takes shitloads of drugs.
2.  Some massive pros train "hard" and some train "like pussies."

Now, you may not be well versed in logic, but if you accept the preceding premises, I'll help you along to the conclusion:  if you are capable of being pro size, and take enough drugs, it probably doesn't matter too much how you train!

For all we know Branch might even get bigger if he did smooth, controlled reps with constant tension and less weight ie trained like he possessed a vagina.

thank you! 


first they say he looked like a turd and he's everything wrong with bodybuilding... then they talk about how shawn ray and flex wheeler and paul dillet looked massive and awesome and what not... then they complain about too much drugs and retardedly huge waists...

THEN... they say "look at branch! are you telling me he got that way from drugs only and not heavy heavy heavy training?!"

here's another one for you... since some people here credit heavy training and don't look at the other part of the equation why these 45" inch waist contest ready freaks are big... why don't you inject upwards of 100 iu slin per day for years on end and eat 5000+ cals from carbs only not counting the other rediculous amounts of food... and why don't you credit their size to that?

I would much rather weigh 210-220 lbs in contest shape with 19-20 inch arms and a 32 inch waist trianing like a "pussy" and taking shit loads of drugs than have 23 inch arms weighing 260 lbs with a 40 inch waist at 4% fat.

[gh15]

I wish people would stop talking about genetics... can you examine his DNA?  Do you know the genetic code for "blows up when taking trenbolona?" or "massive biceps from concentration curls?" NO??? Have you exhaustively compared his training and drug regimen and the consequent physical changes to those of others following the exact same program, drug regimen, and diet, ie have you performed exhaustive, lifelong studies controlling for every variable aside from "genetics" (as if this were even possible)?  NO?!?!

THEN HOW DO YOU KNOW THE FIRST FUCKING THING ABOUT HIS GENETICS??

On the whole drugs vs. training thing, lets just look at some simple facts:

1.  Every massive pro takes shitloads of drugs.
2.  Some massive pros train "hard" and some train "like pussies."

Now, you may not be well versed in logic, but if you accept the preceding premises, I'll help you along to the conclusion:  if you are capable of being pro size, and take enough drugs, it probably doesn't matter too much how you train!

For all we know Branch might even get bigger if he did smooth, controlled reps with constant tension and less weight ie trained like he possessed a vagina.

what many dont understand is and sadly so ,,that we take many many high doses of trenbolona and many other hormones ,,but everyone say trenbolona you get side effect lol yes you get side effect if you are alcoholic and do cocaine and pain killer irght and left yes you will get siede effect....but i many of us take 200-400 mg of trenbolona EVERY SINGLE DAY and have absolutly no sides,,not only that but our pee is straight out light yellow to white color,,so not even dark pee!,,it is all in purity of product ,,it is all in the way your body process the drug ,,not even once did i sweat on trenbolona ,,not even once did i have high heart beat on trenbolona,,only thing i got from trenbolona is high energy high temper and lots and lot and lots of lean muscle sculpted and bodyfat go down same time and with hgh at high dose this = pro level and top amatuer level

so when ever you hear oh i take 75mg trenbolona every 2 day what you really need to do is what i told you before few years ago ,,multiple it by 4! 75 times 4 = 300mg    and this is not every 2 day it is every single day ,,, thats the truth friends

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[WillGrant]

thank you! 


first they say he looked like a turd and he's everything wrong with bodybuilding... then they talk about how shawn ray and flex wheeler and paul dillet looked massive and awesome and what not... then they complain about too much drugs and retardedly huge waists...

THEN... they say "look at branch! are you telling me he got that way from drugs only and not heavy heavy heavy training?!"

here's another one for you... since some people here credit heavy training and don't look at the other part of the equation why these 45" inch waist contest ready freaks are big... why don't you inject upwards of 100 iu slin per day for years on end and eat 5000+ cals from carbs only not counting the other rediculous amounts of food... and why don't you credit their size to that?

I would much rather weigh 210-220 lbs in contest shape with 19-20 inch arms and a 32 inch waist trianing like a "pussy" and taking shit loads of drugs than have 23 inch arms weighing 260 lbs with a 40 inch waist at 4% fat.

Good post bro