How come you have athletes as skinny as a rake that bench and deadlift plus squat more than alot of BB's do ? they use drugs also to help in there performence plus use different rep ranges in there cycling/training ?
I actualy agree with you to a point - progressive overload within a certain rep range will make your muscles bigger if you are using correct recovery tecniques like diet and drugs etc - but there does come a point when you will not get stronger no matter what you do then there are joints and tendons etc..You cannot use Ronnie as an example as the man is a genetic freak - but your view that progressive overload is the only way to grow is wrong and a narrow mindset to have - you will not agree to this now but in 5 years time once you have some more experience under your belt I bet you will change your mind..A muscle needs stimulation that it is not used to - thats what makes it grow as long as its refed and recovered - progressive overload is one way but there are many others also.
I cant train as heavy as I used to due to injurys alot of that came from following what you preach - i now makesure the muscle is well stimulated - i use shorter rest periods supersets drop sets etc to keep the muscle guessing and i am bigger and leaner than i was when i was stronger..you will see this as you gain more experience bro.
prgressive overload is not the only way to mae a muscle grow. its posible for a muscle to go through drug use alone.
Exactly. Look at guys like Paul Dillett, who trained relatively light and took it easy compared to guys like Ronnie and Doz. No way was Dillett going to add 2 inches to his arms if he started lifting Ronnie's weights (not that he could). At the level of drugs these guys take after years and years of lifting, progressive overload isn't going to contribute to even 10% of their growth.
He's actually gotten worse in the last 2 years compared to his top shape from years ago. He would've won this contest if he was full and had Branch's conditioning, but he got beaten fair and square.
there is a certain point where a skeletal fram is maxed out. dillet was very close to it. and thats why he wouldnt have grwn much if he started lifting heavier. not ebcause lifting heavier doesnt work. you look at massive ifbb pros all day long and its not going to help you any, cuz all thse gys got where they are by overloading themselves with drugs.
dillet didnt get huge because he trained light and lazy, he got huge because he took loads of drugs and had goo genetic response to them.
Hahaha, you're so full of shit. In my gym i've seen juicers with 19 inch arms struggling with 250 pounds on the bench, while skinny oly lifters are strict overheadpressing 225 for reps, and squatting 550 for reps. Now go spread your bullshit somewhere else. Comparing a miata with musclestrength? lmfao, monster analogy.
Ill give you this:
Strength is Directly related to a person's leverage and conditioning of his/her CNS.
Youre assuming a muscle works like any of the other things in your example.
But this is easily disproven.. a miata wouldnt move that trailer ten feet, yet you have 150 lb twinks benching rediculous amounts, which negates youre whole theory right there.
It has a lot more to do with the how the muscle functions and interacts with other parts of the body, like someone else said, the CNS, leverage (Length of limbs) etc,
I dont know fuck all about the body or musculature, but this is plainly evident.
Youre doing exactly what I used to do, come up with a theory that fits your current experience and how YOU think people should train, and spread it as gospel, and it simply isnt truth.
Like someone else said, as you get older and accumulate more experience youll realize you dont know shit.
At least, thats what happened to me.
The more I learn, the more I realize I dont know shit.
this seems common idea when ever this subject cmes up. " if size=strength then how come skiny powerlifters can outlift massive bodybuilders??"
no where didi ever say that odyweight correlated to muscle strength. no did i sa that two pople with the same size muscles will have the same strength. ON ANINDIVIDUAL LEVEL, IN ORDER TO GET BIGGER, DISREGARDING DRUG USE, IS TO GET STRONGER.
