2011 Arnold Amateur - Full Results, Men's overall posedown & Awards (videos)

[Spike]

WEIBK, good to see you

The dilemma for the modern competitor is they have to use steroids just to have a chance to compete and place, then when they want to move up to higher level contest they have to increase the amount of steroids they use, even the testing of doping system is not fair, judges require the steroid look so competitors take steroids then the federation test them, this is really double standard and one reason the sport isnt more mainstream.

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sounds alot like how the WADA and IOC work

but their woman still look normal

[Schmoe Buster]

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sounds alot like how the WADA and IOC work

but their woman still look normal

Outside of the USA a lot of IFBB contest are drug tested by WADA, because of Ben Weider wanting to be an olympic sport, lucky Manion and the NPC didnt care about the olympics

[bladerunner]

Yes, the real sad thing is real natural bodybuilders who enter the natural contests and lose to guys who juice and are not ''natural'' this is really bad, thats why i really cant stand Kiyoshi,Faildo,Lacour etc because they are not natural yet wont shut up about it and only win because real honest guys who are natural do it fairly only for those insecure liars to beat them and claim ''genetics'' so the real natural guys think they do not have the genetics for the sport and quit, so stop promoting and championing these assholes, you are only supporting their lies and cheating

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[WEIBK]

WEIBK, good to see you

The dilemma for the modern competitor is they have to use steroids just to have a chance to compete and place, then when they want to move up to higher level contest they have to increase the amount of steroids they use, even the testing of doping system is not fair, judges require the steroid look so competitors take steroids then the federation test them, this is really double standard and one reason the sport isnt more mainstream.

You are right, and goo to see you too.. thanks.

[Schmoe Buster]

You are right, and goo to see you too.. thanks.

I think one reason that the IFBB have classic bodybuilding division and the WBPF have the athletic division is to give a chance to those who want to compete but dont want to have to use high amounts of steroids to do so, its a good idea but they competitors will still us steroids but at least due to the height/weight ratio system they cant get too big, where as in the open division a guy doesnt place as high as he likes so he asks the judges ''what should i do to place better?'' he gets told '' you need more mass, you need to be bigger'' so he increases the dose of steroids, its really catch 22 situation for the bodybuilder.

What i think is far more of a problem in bodybuilding especially at the amateur level is contest fixing and corruption, its funny that musclecenter appears to have no problem with contest fixing, perhaps he is part of it
The reason for the doping tests is a simple way for corrupt officials to solicit bribes from competitors and national feds, or to get rid of someone they do not like, ive seen this happen with my own eyes, this is a bigger problem than guys using steroids, i mean to draw a crowd and sell tickets to contest bodybuilders must be big and muscular, people buy a ticket to see freaks not to see a bunch of swimmers posing

[musclecenter]

I think one reason that the IFBB have classic bodybuilding division and the WBPF have the athletic division is to give a chance to those who want to compete but dont want to have to use high amounts of steroids to do so, its a good idea but they competitors will still us steroids but at least due to the height/weight ratio system they cant get too big, where as in the open division a guy doesnt place as high as he likes so he asks the judges ''what should i do to place better?'' he gets told '' you need more mass, you need to be bigger'' so he increases the dose of steroids, its really catch 22 situation for the bodybuilder.

What i think is far more of a problem in bodybuilding especially at the amateur level is contest fixing and corruption, its funny that musclecenter appears to have no problem with contest fixing, perhaps he is part of it The reason for the doping tests is a simple way for corrupt officials to solicit bribes from competitors and national feds, or to get rid of someone they do not like, ive seen this happen with my own eyes, this is a bigger problem than guys using steroids, i mean to draw a crowd and sell tickets to contest bodybuilders must be big and muscular, people buy a ticket to see freaks not to see a bunch of swimmers posing

do not say anything I did not do.

[WEIBK]

I think one reason that the IFBB have classic bodybuilding division and the WBPF have the athletic division is to give a chance to those who want to compete but dont want to have to use high amounts of steroids to do so, its a good idea but they competitors will still us steroids but at least due to the height/weight ratio system they cant get too big, where as in the open division a guy doesnt place as high as he likes so he asks the judges ''what should i do to place better?'' he gets told '' you need more mass, you need to be bigger'' so he increases the dose of steroids, its really catch 22 situation for the bodybuilder.

What i think is far more of a problem in bodybuilding especially at the amateur level is contest fixing and corruption, its funny that musclecenter appears to have no problem with contest fixing, perhaps he is part of it
The reason for the doping tests is a simple way for corrupt officials to solicit bribes from competitors and national feds, or to get rid of someone they do not like, ive seen this happen with my own eyes, this is a bigger problem than guys using steroids, i mean to draw a crowd and sell tickets to contest bodybuilders must be big and muscular, people buy a ticket to see freaks not to see a bunch of swimmers posing

I have also witnessed myself some doping cheating, and corrupt, like what happened in last IFBB championship in Baku, random test, and those their nipples was hanging due to steroids was not tested.
Doping is mandatory in Games , and it happened in last Asian Beach Games the top 5 was tested, because these medals will remain for ever not like other championship.

[Schmoe Buster]

do not say anything I did not do.

I wrote "perhaps he is part of it " I did not state you were part of it

You champion liars, look down on steroid users, yet reward them with champonships when you judge, when the whole Chua getting kicked out of IFBB shit went down you said nothing, and you knew all about it

You insult me by calling me a hater when I am simply a realist who see's things for what they are.

[musclecenter]

I wrote "perhaps he is part of it " I did not state you were part of it

You champion liars, look down on steroid users, yet reward them with champonships when you judge, when the whole Chua getting kicked out of IFBB shit went down you said nothing, and you knew all about it

You insult me by calling me a hater when I am simply a realist who see's things for what they are.

I was be a judge at 2010 HK BB Championships (only this time)since 1995.
How do you know my judgment unfair?
And on bb forum,we mainly discuss about "physique", not about who is liar?who is honest?
Mostly I just report,not critize who is "liar"...
Anyway,sometime I am as a hater too.

[Schmoe Buster]

I was be a judge at 2010 HK BB Championships (only this time)since 1995.
How do you know my judgment unfair?
And on bb forum,we mainly discuss about "physique", not about who is liar?who is honest?
Mostly I just report,not critize who is "liar"...
Anyway,sometime I am as a hater too.

When did i say your judgement is unfair? i didnt, why are you so insecure?

you champion liars by taking every chance to post they are natural when surely deep down you must know they are not, you call us haters because we question Faildo and Moody over this, nobody here is a true hater we all like bodybuilding and working out, many of us dont like how the sport and industry has become so shameful and dishonest, gh15 says bodybuilding is a cult and he is right and all of us are a part of it.

[musclecenter]

When did i say your judgement is unfair? i didnt, why are you so insecure?

you champion liars by taking every chance to post they are natural when surely deep down you must know they are not, you call us haters because we question Faildo and Moody over this, nobody here is a true hater we all like bodybuilding and working out, many of us dont like how the sport and industry has become so shameful and dishonest, gh15 says bodybuilding is a cult and he is right and all of us are a part of it.

Mostly I report what's happen in this industry and quote what they said.
And I post under my real pics, name. And very few getbiggers does like me.

[nzmusclemonster]

Lots of "x2's" in this thread.... oh brother 

[Schmoe Buster]

Mostly I report what's happen in this industry and quote what they said.
And I post under my real pics, name. And very few getbiggers does like me.

Just because some of us freely choose to keep our privacy while you choose not too does not make our opinions less valid, everyone should be equal on a message forum, so by posting your pics and real name makes better than others, like i stated before why are you so insecure or is it you seek attention? i think its a bit of both.

[Schmoe Buster]

Lots of "x2's" in this thread.... oh brother 

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[musclecenter]

Just because some of us freely choose to keep our privacy while you choose not too does not make our opinions less valid, everyone should be equal on a message forum, so by posting your pics and real name makes better than others, like i stated before why are you so insecure or is it you seek attention? i think its a bit of both.

[Schmoe Buster]

Oh brother

[musclecenter]

Oh brother

that's 50% reason i keeping post my pics EVERY month in getbig.com
http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=117526.775

[musclecenter]

Sami the Blacksmith's interview

[Schmoe Buster]

Sami the Blacksmith's interview

Swampi the Cocksmith meltdown over the judging , hope he does well at the Uk amateur olympia

[bladerunner]

Lots of "x2's" in this thread.... oh brother 

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[bladerunner]

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ooopsss,i just noticed you did the same X2 thing to nzmusclemonster