The truth about protien, natural vs. juiced

[TommyBoy]

I think after a certain point as a natural when you get closer to your genetic limit that protein powders really start to give diminishing returns, but to say back off of high protein is definitely not a good approach. I'm of the opinion that during those early times developing naturally that protein powder supplemented in with your solid food intake is incredibly beneficial, but once you hit that point where your body has pretty peaked as far as it can go without pharmaceutical grade assistance I believe you can cut the protein powder out and just eat solid foods entirely to get your protein intake in.

I think most natural bodybuilders could consume a normal amount of protien and still grow all the same. 40-80 grams is good enough. No need to go for like 200 or 300 grams as a natural.

If you only need 80g of protein as a natural male you are either new to training, a midget, or train like a kitten.

Naturals. Just eat a nice balanced diet. You don't need tons of protien.

I agree with this and also disagree with this. Correct, eat a balanced diet BUT if you actually train like you mean it then you will need a lot more protein than a normal person who goes to the gym 3x a week, does a few chest presses, and walks on the treadmill for 30 minutes. It's seriously all about getting what your body needs, so the high protein thing is a wash for most, but a must for the people that are serious. Eat what your body needs and how you train/rest will dictate that.

[MCWAY]

Lately i've been thinking that protien powders and high protiend diets are only useful if you are juiced.

 If you are natural, I think you end up just shitting most of that protien right back out and your body doesn't put it to use.

 I think this whole idea that "You need lots of protien to gain muscle" is bullshit. More snake oil from the supp industry to make us spend out money on their pills and powders.

 Naturals. Just eat a nice balanced diet. You don't need tons of protien.

 Juicers. You guys can use that protien, you go ahead and eat your 300 grams per day.

I beg to differ. I didn't get over 200 lbs, until I bumped my protein up to just under 300 grams of protein. I went 1.5 grams per pound of bodyweight back in college, when I weighed 189 lbs. My goal was to get to 200 lbs by semester's end. I ended up at 210.

When I went home that summer, my mother was in SHOCK and so were my friends. They almost didn't recognize me.

As for steroids, PLEASE!! Back in those days, I could barely afford weight gainer. In fact, the only supplement I could consistently buy outside of Mega Mass 2000 was that GNC's old Challenge Milk and Egg Protein (buy one; get one 50% off).

People don't want to eat high calories and high protein; then, they whine about being "hardgainers".

The way I see it, just as Ronnie Coleman said, Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder; but don't nobody want to lift no heavy-@$$ weight!!", the same hold true for diet and nutrition. Don't nobody want to eat no heavy-@$$ food (in terms of quality and QUANTITY, especially protein).

Is it for everybody? NO! But, dollars to donuts, more people (especially the self-proclaimed hardgainers) would get better results, if they actually put their noses to their grindstone and their faces to the plates (and/or to the shaker).

[Krankenstein]

He is as natural as cock flavoured popsicles

Something you will find is taking up a lot of room in Blackfags freezer...he gets his 40 - 80gms straight from the tap

[MCWAY]

A few years ago, I was eating 18 egg white 6 yolks a day.  Did that for about 3 days, didn't shit for about 5 days.  The gut discomfort was unforgettable.  Felt like using a plumbers snake up my arse to get things moving.

Ever heard of vegetables?

 

[Krankenstein]

I disagree....  High protein diets have gotten a bad rep recently, but I still believe in them 100%....

I know you don't believe me when I say I'm a natural, but I really am lol... and I take in about 300 g right now, and trying to up to to 350 or even 400!

I think it makes a WORLD of a difference to take in High Protein!  I see much better/faster gains!

I personally disagree....the whole high protein thing...way overblown.  I did the whole 375gms of protein a day thing....didnt do more for me than eating 270 - 280gms per day.  In fact, I feel less sluggish doing less protein.  No disrespect, but I would imagine that you think if you ate less protein you will shrivel right up and be 150lbs?

[MCWAY]

I personally disagree....the whole high protein thing...way overblown.  I did the whole 375gms of protein a day thing....didnt do more for me than eating 270 - 280gms per day.  In fact, I feel less sluggish doing less protein.  No disrespect, but I would imagine that you think if you ate less protein you will shrivel right up and be 150lbs?

Define "high". The rule of thumb is usually 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. Would "high" be 1.25 grams/lb? 1.5 grams/lb? 2 grams/lb?

[gh15]

I think most people go through this same thing.

I also think a lot of people are too afraid to lower the protein.  We somehow get the idea that everything must be optimal, and we won't make any sacrifice no matter how ridiculous our lives become.  Whether it's eating 550 grams of protein a day, 6500+ calories, doing tons of working sets, doing two working sets, working out every day, working out three days a week... there is a period in most bodybuilders' lives where they become convinced each of these (often contradictory) things are essential, and are terrified to cut back on them even slightly.

And yes, at some point, I was convinced that every one of those things I listed was essential.

trust me friends,,once you actualy find true real trenbolona,,that not many use ,,many use shit powder that is bunk or underdose,,but once that you find it like the ones who turn top amatuer and pro ....you will see you can train every day alomst,,you will see your body ned only 4 -5 hour sleep like arnold used to say...yes think about it harder arnold remeber his saying of he only need 5 hours..its because he was hooked on that hsit mid 70s,,once you find real trenbolona you wil knwo it and you will understand what a diff one drug can make on a bodybuild,,

it is everything

TRENBOLONA


GH


TESTOSTERONA

legit all a must

a bodybuild who you saee going in and out gym every day almost 5 times a week going all out  most time,,45 min every single day intense training especialy on prep is on TONS of legit trenbolona,,it hyper him ,,get him very high ,,make him  a very annoying person for his other significant half ,,and grow his muscle lean and into conditiion in super time,,trust me whan i say there are many bodybuild that every single day inject trenbolona 2 times morning and night 100-200mg every inject ,,that bodybuild can train whenever he want how ever he want ,,ofcourse rest time matter and it good to train 5 day a week ,,but in general ,,,bodybuild on legit trenbolona ,LEGIT one who takes time to find very good powder....that bodybuild will get far in bodybuild wether first local compeititon or  regional,,from then on it will be the dose of hgh he can afford with the treubolona to make him into  a faud or one of the fellas you all like to talk about which ofcourse are all and only drugs,,they just had good hook up friends,,thats all ,,good hook up with good good cook


gh15 approved

[gh15]

just so it clear you can eat 200gram protien a day and grow lean with absolitly zero problem if 200lb bodybuild if on legit trenbolona and testosterona,,you will grow lean ,,lose body fat ,,and get in super condition into the 8% within 2 months of constant trenbolona usage if you are the average 13% bodyfat bodybuild,,ofcourse hgh will make it all 3 dimention super fast and keep all your size on you with out losing even 1/10 of an inch ,,the all protien argument is balonie,,many of us wake up in the morning and sit on computer for 1-2 hours with out even touching protien ,,maybe eat some carbs,,trenbolona doesnt let you lose muscle ,,real trenbolona grow bodybuilder the end,,gh make it into mutation the more you take ,,and insulin creates branch warrens which ofcourse ruiined bodybuild

gh15 approved

[Krankenstein]

Define "high". The rule of thumb is usually 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. Would "high" be 1.25 grams/lb? 1.5 grams/lb? 2 grams/lb?

For me, the "high" would be some guy who competes at 180 - 190 eating 350gms+  As much as I like Beverly International as far as really focusing more on the drug free side of things....they STILL talk about shit like that.  I lowered my protein intake (almost needed therapy to do so...lol) and feel better.  I think 1.25 - 1.5 gm/lb of LEAN is a good number.  Thats just my personal thoughts and beliefs. 

[dj181]

For those of you who are interested in seeing what a twink can do check out my 3 phase project in the training logs. This project will officially start later on this week, with starting ab photos and the start of the 1st phase of my project, which will be the Get Lean Phase. The plan is to drop 2% bodyfat per week until I'm sitting at a legit sub-7

[Julio Ceasar]

Im glad to read that some people on this board actually have some brain : )

[no one]

trust me friends,,once you actualy find true real trenbolona,,that not many use ,,many use shit powder that is bunk or underdose,,but once that you find it like the ones who turn top amatuer and pro ....you will see you can train every day alomst,,you will see your body ned only 4 -5 hour sleep like arnold used to say...yes think about it harder arnold remeber his saying of he only need 5 hours..its because he was hooked on that hsit mid 70s,,once you find real trenbolona you wil knwo it and you will understand what a diff one drug can make on a bodybuild,,

it is everything

TRENBOLONA

gh15 approved

about week 2 after starting tren i get a nervous energy. i train twice a day and go from set to set to set without fatiguing. my sleep is fucked, but the sleep thing kicks in in the first week for me normally.

the amazing thing about it is how MUCH you can train on tren. im usually hitting each body part twice a week on it. thats a lot of volume. its the only compound that makes me train this way.

far and above my favourite compound.

[MCWAY]

For me, the "high" would be some guy who competes at 180 - 190 eating 350gms+  As much as I like Beverly International as far as really focusing more on the drug free side of things....they STILL talk about shit like that.  I lowered my protein intake (almost needed therapy to do so...lol) and feel better.  I think 1.25 - 1.5 gm/lb of LEAN is a good number.  Thats just my personal thoughts and beliefs. 

Back in the day, I'd go with 1.5 grams/lb of bodyweight (overall). If you're skinny and training to get bigger, it's better (in my view) to err on the side of more protein, not less.

When I weighed 189, I started consuming about 280 grams of protein (about half of which came from my weight gainer shakes, due to time constraints). It worked pretty well.

[local hero]

id like to see pics of some of the twinks claiming they made gains on 3 meals per day, with next to no protein,, utter rubbish

natty or juiced you need to eat like a bodybuilder if you want to look like one, it isnt rocket science, i dont agree with the daft excessive amounts dante and others preach, but for fucks sake get a grip, you do need extra cals and protein above average at least

[luvvsuNOT]

trust me friends,,once you actualy find true real trenbolona,,that not many use ,,many use shit powder that is bunk or underdose,,but once that you find it like the ones who turn top amatuer and pro ....you will see you can train every day alomst,,you will see your body ned only 4 -5 hour sleep like arnold used to say...yes think about it harder arnold remeber his saying of he only need 5 hours..its because he was hooked on that hsit mid 70s,,once you find real trenbolona you wil knwo it and you will understand what a diff one drug can make on a bodybuild,,

it is everything

TRENBOLONA


GH


TESTOSTERONA

legit all a must

a bodybuild who you saee going in and out gym every day almost 5 times a week going all out  most time,,45 min every single day intense training especialy on prep is on TONS of legit trenbolona,,it hyper him ,,get him very high ,,make him  a very annoying person for his other significant half ,,and grow his muscle lean and into conditiion in super time,,trust me whan i say there are many bodybuild that every single day inject trenbolona 2 times morning and night 100-200mg every inject ,,that bodybuild can train whenever he want how ever he want ,,ofcourse rest time matter and it good to train 5 day a week ,,but in general ,,,bodybuild on legit trenbolona ,LEGIT one who takes time to find very good powder....that bodybuild will get far in bodybuild wether first local compeititon or  regional,,from then on it will be the dose of hgh he can afford with the treubolona to make him into  a faud or one of the fellas you all like to talk about which ofcourse are all and only drugs,,they just had good hook up friends,,thats all ,,good hook up with good good cook


gh15 approved

Can you explain why tren kills your cardio? It gets to the point where I get winded just walking up a flight of stairs. And it's the same whethr form UG of brewing fina.  

[no one]

id like to see pics of some of the twinks claiming they made gains on 3 meals per day, with next to no protein,, utter rubbish

natty or juiced you need to eat like a bodybuilder if you want to look like one, it isnt rocket science, i dont agree with the daft excessive amounts dante and others preach, but for fucks sake get a grip, you do need extra cals and protein above average at least

dude, take pics of all those who say you dont need 'x' protein, and put them beside those of guys who say you do need 'x' protein.

nuff said.

[local hero]

dude, take pics of all those who say you dont need 'x' protein, and put them beside those of guys who say you do need 'x' protein.

nuff said.

...exactly

[luvvsuNOT]

For those of you who are interested in seeing what a twink can do check out my 3 phase project in the training logs. This project will officially start later on this week, with starting ab photos and the start of the 1st phase of my project, which will be the Get Lean Phase. The plan is to drop 2% bodyfat per week until I'm sitting at a legit sub-7

Yah, were all pretty fascinated about your training routine. 2% per week? How exactly are you going to measure this. BTW how is your 17inch arm at 6% coming along? Just keep adding weight every workout and get stronger and stronger day by day and add muscle after every workout. sounds great but if you could jsut back up one, just one, of you calims then people might stat taking you seriously. We already have pics of those massive guns you post maybe about 4-5 week ago maybe you can post another more recent shot. you probably have put on at least a half inch by now in addition to being leanr.

[luvvsuNOT]

dude, take pics of all those who say you dont need 'x' protein, and put them beside those of guys who say you do need 'x' protein.

nuff said.

Basile says that all hyou need is 25 grams of protien a day. says it's been know for decades. One look at him is proof enough.,

[Team Diver]

This whole BBing is a scam! You don't have to follow any diet and you don't have to train with expensive weights and other equipments to be a muscular, shredded to the bone pussy magnet!!!! But in this case why does every office worker, who eats donuts and pizza and works out through the corporate gym membership 2x per week look like shit??? 

[dj181]

Probably because these office workers don't train hard enough. If they trained very hard, and just as importantly, made steady progress with their training (doing more reps with more weight) then they will look better. FACT

[Team Diver]

Probably because these office workers don't train hard enough. If they trained very hard, and just as importantly, made steady progress with their training (doing more reps with more weight) then they will look better. FACT

And if they trained brutally hard damaging their muscle tissue, 50 g protein - the building blocks of muscles - per day would be enough to "repair" those "microtears"? Serious question!  

[dj181]

I'm not sure about 50 grams of protein, but 100 grams would be more than enough for repairing and rebuilding the damaged muscle tissue. During the 1st phase of my 3 phase project I will only consume about 40 grams of protein daily and will not consume more than 800 cals daily, and probably even closer to 600 cals. I will follow a cycle diet with 3 and a half days of ultra lo cals cycled with 1 and a half days of normal cal intake (roughly 2000 to 2500 cals). Yes, I will probably lose a little bit of muscle during this phase, but it won't be a problem coz I will quickly gain back whatever muscle that I lost during the 2nd phase.

[no one]

I'm not sure about 50 grams of protein, but 100 grams would be more than enough for repairing and rebuilding the damaged muscle tissue. During the 1st phase of my 3 phase project I will only consume about 40 grams of protein daily and will not consume more than 800 cals daily, and probably even closer to 600 cals. I will follow a cycle diet with 3 and a half days of ultra lo cals cycled with 1 and a half days of normal cal intake (roughly 2000 to 2500 cals). Yes, I will probably lose a little bit of muscle during this phase, but it won't be a problem coz I will quickly gain back whatever muscle that I lost during the 2nd phase.

dude you're becoming the next fat panda.

[che]

30-40 grams w/each meal works for me , add  carbs  for gaining weight ,drop carbs for losing weight.