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Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« on: March 07, 2011, 01:09:53 PM »
Smart move.   Nothing wrong with GITMO.  

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/147871-obama-military-commissions-to-resume-for-gitmo-detainees


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Obama vows to close Guantanamo

Detention camp closure welcomed as human rights lawyers warn of legal problems to come.

18 Nov 2008 00:27 GMT

Barack Obama, the US president-elect, has promised to shut down the Guantanamo Bay detention camp, as human rights lawyers warn such a move would face a number of legal difficulties.

Obama told the CBS programme 60 Minutes on Sunday: "I have said repeatedly that I intend to close Guantanamo, and I will follow through on that.

"I have said repeatedly that America doesn't torture.

"And I'm going to make sure that we don't torture. Those are part and parcel of an effort to regain America's moral stature in the world."

Obama had originally promised to shut the US prison in Cuba while on the campaign trail, but his comments on Sunday were the first confirmation of his intentions since the November 4 election.

He did not, however, elaborate on where the Guantanamo detainees would be sent or whether they would be put on trial, or released.

Obama's comments come as he prepares later on Monday to meet John McCain - his former Republican presidential rival - for their first meeting since the US elections, to discuss possible bipartisan action on political issues.

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2011, 01:18:23 PM »
romney wants to double gitmos size.


he also wanted to make everyone under his power live with romneycare.  bad example.

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2011, 01:18:29 PM »
Ha ha ha ha.  DU & HP in meltdown over this.    


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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2011, 01:35:49 PM »

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2011, 01:37:14 PM »
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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2011, 02:07:51 PM »
White House Announces Resumption of Military Tribunals at Guantanamo
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/07/obama-resume-military-trials-guantanamo-source-says/ ^




President Obama announced Monday that military trials will resume for detainees at the Guantanamo Bay prison camp, saying the tribunals are an "important tool in combating international terrorists."


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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2011, 04:36:14 PM »
240 are you going to rail against keeping gitmo open like you did when he proposed closing it?

or is this all of a sudden a good move?

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2011, 05:19:25 PM »
I have always supported gitmo.

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2011, 05:58:43 PM »
4. Hail to King Obama
 Ironically enough, successor to King George.

What a bunch of dumb shmucks we've been.
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 CaliforniaPeggy  (1000+ posts)        Mon Mar-07-11 06:35 PM
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5. That makes me sick.
 Is this what we are about?
 



FiveGoodMen  (1000+ posts)        Mon Mar-07-11 06:51 PM
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33. In my book, that makes him a war criminal and traitor.
 He's playing the role of King.

He should be in a cell.

Awaiting punishment.




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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2011, 06:53:25 PM »
240 are you going to rail against keeping gitmo open like you did when he proposed closing it?

or is this all of a sudden a good move?

GITMO is a terrible move.  The top voices of our govt and military (and members of both parties) have said it does recruit bad guys.

So I don't like it.  I prefer secret prisons, torture em in egypt, and sink their ship on the way home.  Bush was high-singin' by building it. 

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2011, 06:54:59 PM »
GITMO is a terrible move.  The top voices of our govt and military (and members of both parties) have said it does recruit bad guys.

So I don't like it.  I prefer secret prisons, torture em in egypt, and sink their ship on the way home.  Bush was high-singin' by building it. 

So does this mean you are off the Obama 2012 bandwagon?

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2011, 07:07:29 PM »
GITMO is a terrible move.  The top voices of our govt and military (and members of both parties) have said it does recruit bad guys.

So I don't like it.  I prefer secret prisons, torture em in egypt, and sink their ship on the way home.  Bush was high-singin' by building it. 
here is my problem with your line of thinking

is it used to recruit bad guys, i have no doubt that it is...if it wasnt there would the recruitment of bad guys not skip a beat and still continue? of course it would...

gitmo being open isnt increasing the recruitment of terrorist in my opinion if it was closed or secret the recruits for terrorist wouldnt see a drop or a significant drop anyway so its a moot point.

do the idiot point at it as a recruiting point? sure

but they would just point to 10 other things to recruit terrorist if they didnt have that...

so should we stop any and all actions that are used by terrorist to recruit fellow idiots?

should our women start covering up? should we banish playboy and online porn?


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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2011, 07:47:49 PM »
GITMO is a terrible move.  The top voices of our govt and military (and members of both parties) have said it does recruit bad guys.

So I don't like it.  I prefer secret prisons, torture em in egypt, and sink their ship on the way home.  Bush was high-singin' by building it. 


Yeah, none of them can be used as recruitment tools.  ::)


If it's not Gitmo it will be something else, and something after that, and something after that.  Their recruitment tools are limited only by the bounds of their perverted imaginations.

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2011, 08:01:37 PM »
Yeah, none of them can be used as recruitment tools.  ::)

You wouldn't talk about the shit like this.  you'd just do it.  Problem solved!


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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2011, 08:02:34 PM »

Yeah, none of them can be used as recruitment tools.  ::)


If it's not Gitmo it will be something else, and something after that, and something after that.  Their recruitment tools are limited only by the bounds of their perverted imaginations.

Exactly. Their ever-changing list of grievances against us is 50 miles long and constantly growing. Every day it's something new with those twats.

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #16 on: March 07, 2011, 08:02:43 PM »
You wouldn't talk about the shit like this.  you'd just do it.  Problem solved!



Putting aside your CT's, what was the recruitment tool for the islamic crazies to commit 911?

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2011, 08:03:56 PM »
Where is the apology to Bush and Cheney?
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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #18 on: March 07, 2011, 08:06:51 PM »
Where is the apology to Bush and Cheney?
good question...

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #19 on: March 07, 2011, 08:11:04 PM »
good question...


Look, I dont like the indefinate intention stuff without a trial, but the location of Gitmo seems perfect to me. 

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #20 on: March 07, 2011, 08:32:17 PM »
Putting aside your CT's, what was the recruitment tool for the islamic crazies to commit 911?

oh boy.  oh brother.  oh golly.  I dont know if i want to laugh or jut sit here mouth agape. 

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #21 on: March 07, 2011, 08:52:27 PM »
oh boy.  oh brother.  oh golly.  I dont know if i want to laugh or jut sit here mouth agape. 

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2011, 06:24:24 AM »
Obama's new Gitmo policy is a lot like Bush's old policy
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/07/AR2011030704863_Comments.html


By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 8, 2011; A02




It was another important moment in the education of Barack Obama.

He began his presidency with a pledge to close the military prison at Guantanamo Bay within a year. Within months, he realized that was impossible. And now he has essentially formalized George W. Bush's detention policy.

With Monday's announcement that the Obama administration will resume military tribunals at Gitmo, conservatives rushed out triumphant I-told-you-sos. Liberal supporters were again feeling betrayed. Administration officials had some 'splainin' to do.

And so they assembled some top-notch lawyers from across the executive branch and held a conference call Monday afternoon with reporters. The ground rules required that the officials not be identified, which is appropriate given their Orwellian assignment. They were to argue that Obama's new detention policy is perfectly consistent with his old detention policy.

Not only had he revoked his pledge to close Gitmo within a year, but he also had contradicted his claim that the policy "can't be based simply on what I or the executive branch decide alone." His executive order did exactly what he said must not be done, in a style pioneered by Obama's immediate predecessor in the Oval Office.

"This detention without trial - what's different from the Bush administration?" a French reporter from Le Monde asked during the call.

Good question. The answer, from the Anonymous Lawyers, was technical. "We have a much more thorough process here of representation. . . . There's an opportunity for an oral presentation to the board."

CBS's Jan Crawford was not impressed by this answer. "What specifically is different in this than what we were living under that was so bad in the Bush administration?" she asked.

The Anonymous Lawyers replied that cases would be reviewed every six months instead of every year. They also spoke about their "intent to comply with Article 75 of Additional Protocol One."

This still wasn't working for Yochi Dreazen of the National Journal. "It seems like what is happening now with this executive order is effectively ratifying the status quo," he said. "Is that a fair read?"

The Anonymous Lawyers did not think that was a fair read. Over and over again, they repeated their theme: "The basic message is the National Archives speech remains the framework under which Guantanamo closure is being done."

Oh? Let's review.

The Anonymous Lawyers were referring to Obama's speech at the National Archives in May 2009.

There, he said: "Rather than keeping us safer, the prison at Guantanamo has weakened American national security. It is a rallying cry for our enemies. . . . By any measure, the costs of keeping it open far exceed the complications involved in closing it. That's why I argued that it should be closed throughout my campaign, and that is why I ordered it closed within one year."

It was then, too, that Obama said detention policy "can't be based simply on what I or the executive branch decide alone. . . . In our constitutional system, prolonged detention should not be the decision of any one man. If and when we determine that the United States must hold individuals to keep them from carrying out an act of war, we will do so within a system that involves judicial and congressional oversight. And so, going forward, my administration will work with Congress to develop an appropriate legal regime."

In a sense, Monday's announcement was a formal acknowledgment that Obama had set expectations unrealistically high during his campaign and early in his term. "The president has now institutionalized a process that a lot of his political base imagined he was going to get rid of," said my former Post colleague Benjamin Wittes, now a Brookings Institution authority on detention policy.

Less easy to fathom is Obama's unwillingness to involve Congress in creating his new detention regime, as he had promised. As he himself argued, the procedures won't have legitimacy without "judicial and congressional oversight."

The Wall Street Journal's Evan Perez asked the Anonymous Lawyers about this during the conference call. He pointed out that Obama, in his Archives speech, "hinted at" a court review for indefinite detentions.

"I'm not quite sure what . . . you think the president hinted at," one of the Anonymous ones answered.

And how about working with Congress? An Anonymous Lawyer said this is a "discretionary executive act" that is "well within the authority . . . of the president."

Funny, that's just what the Bush lawyers used to say.


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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2011, 06:27:47 AM »
EDITORIAL: Is Obama a war criminal yet?
Liberal double-standard is in full view over Gitmo
By THE WASHINGTON TIMES
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The Washington Times
6:15 p.m., Tuesday, March 8, 2011


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President Obama quietly signed an executive order on Monday instituting a system for indefinitely holding terrorist detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay (Gitmo), Cuba. The administration also announced that terrorist trials by military commission would recommence. This is a win for U.S. security, but the country has paid a heavy price for Mr. Obama's on-the-job training in counterterrorism.

The low-key announcements stand in marked contrast with the bombast with which Mr. Obama approached this issue just a few years ago. During the 2008 presidential campaign, then-Sen. Barack Obama harshly criticized President George W. Bush's detainee policies. When he took office, Mr. Obama theatrically announced that he would close Gitmo in a year and find a way to give the terror detainees the full due-process rights enjoyed by American citizens. In so doing, he legitimized the complaints of the worst critics of American counterterrorism policies, including the terrorists themselves.

Two years later, some learning appears to have occurred at the White House. The president's hasty "close Gitmo" pledge foundered on practical and political grounds. Contrary to the story line peddled by anti-war alarmists, the Bush administration already had released most of the detainees that had been held there, and those who remained were the hard cases who truly threatened U.S. national security. Trying the detainees in civilian courts raised a multitude of nettlesome questions about public evidence, speedy trials, Miranda warnings and the other aspects of due process that didn't support the Bush administration's warfighting approach.

With civilian trials, the prospect loomed of repeated government defeats in court, or the necessity of simply releasing detainees when no prosecution was possible without fatally compromising intelligence sources and methods. Likewise, Mr. Obama discovered that releasing detainees to their home countries was problematic because in many cases the terrorists would be freed almost immediately upon their return. Of course, members of the Bush administration consistently raised these points, but the Obama team simply brushed them off.

The big losers in this decision are members of Mr. Obama's hardline anti-war base. It is the latest in a string of disappointments to the Code Pinkers, Moveon-ers and other formerly Obama-loving peaceniks. The surge in Afghanistan and the ever-lengthening timetable for withdrawal provided them with one regret. The widening and intensifying use of drone aircraft as a counterterrorism tool was another. Now the Gitmo detainees are back in their cages for good. The distraught workers in the peace movement have to be asking themselves how much more they can stand before they begin to mutter the words "Obama" and "war criminal" in the same breath.

The White House detainee policy volte-face vindicates the policies of President George W. Bush. At the very least, Mr. Obama should apologize to his predecessor for smearing his reputation so thoroughly during the 2008 campaign. Our novice commander in chief has learned the valuable lesson that talking about being president, at which Mr. Obama was so adept, is a far cry from actually being president, at which he clearly is not.

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Re: Obama to resume military commissions and trials at GITMO.
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2011, 06:32:00 AM »
Funny how all those on the left who ranted about Bush, Cheney, etc... being "war criminals" for the Gitmo situation are SILENT about Obama doing the exact same thing.  I guess since he said during his campaign he was going to close it, that is good enough for them....  ::)