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In this series, I will debate with you any negative aspect of bodybuilding and how to overcome being crippled by these and instead focus on your accomplishments, move forward and be successful and not give up on our dear subculture entirely!

#1 success impediment: "I quit, there's no money in bodybuilding, the only lucrative of all bodybuilding endeavors is GAY 4 PAY. why should I sacrifice time and energy for a plastic trophy?"

First, bodybuilding is not a career choice and should never be. A successful individual should first establish himself then perform bodybuilding strictly as a hobby. If money become available through bodybuilding endeavors, it should be considered bonus income and never be relied on to make ends meet. One must also put career first and never deviate from that. A good friend of mine not only worked as a teacher's assistant while finishing grad school, but was also a national level bodybuilder who eventually became a top pro. However, his Master's degree always came first and bodybuilding contests were arranged around semesters workload and not the other way around. The lifestyle must never take over and force one to perform denigrating activities instead of a fulfilling career.

Second, the trophy is not in your hands but in you (nothing to do with Andre's unfortunate accident http://www.hulu.com/watch/179424/the-league-exclusive-scene-im-inside-me). The sacrifice has its immaterial  reward; it's the empowerment that comes with it, a validation of your own capacity; With self-sacrifice comes goodness and great victory.


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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #1 on: March 10, 2011, 04:11:03 PM »
i think its too much of a drug culture anymore to be looked at as positive...

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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2011, 04:13:16 PM »
In this series, I will debate with you any negative aspect of bodybuilding and how to overcome being crippled by these and instead focus on your accomplishments, move forward and be successful and not give up on our dear subculture entirely!

#1 success impediment: "I quit, there's no money in bodybuilding, the only lucrative of all bodybuilding endeavors is GAY 4 PAY. why should I sacrifice time and energy for a plastic trophy?"

First, bodybuilding is not a career choice and should never be. A successful individual should first establish himself then perform bodybuilding strictly as a hobby. If money become available through bodybuilding endeavors, it should be considered bonus income and never be relied on to make ends meet. One must also put career first and never deviate from that. A good friend of mine not only worked as a teacher's assistant while finishing grad school, but was also a national level bodybuilder who eventually became a top pro. However, his Master's degree always came first and bodybuilding contests were arranged around semesters workload and not the other way around. The lifestyle must never take over and force one to perform denigrating activities instead of a fulfilling career.

Second, the trophy is not in your hands but in you (nothing to do with Andre's unfortunate accident http://www.hulu.com/watch/179424/the-league-exclusive-scene-im-inside-me). The sacrifice has its immaterial  reward; it's the empowerment that comes with it, a validation of your own capacity; With self-sacrifice comes goodness and great victory.


Very nice Alex... I need this kind of motivation. Keep it up!

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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #3 on: March 10, 2011, 04:19:33 PM »
not bodybuilding related....but total mind set motivation.....thanks to whoever posted this the other day!!



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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #4 on: March 10, 2011, 04:36:26 PM »
Very nice Alex... I need this kind of motivation. Keep it up!

Thank you Leafy, you're the impersonation of what a focused positive mindset can accomplish.

bench, it is a drug culture and always has been, agree it's gotten more intense as the stake increases and chemical mastery keeps evolving. Many have tested the physical limits in the last few years, many have also pulled back and tried different ways; like simulation, an inherent part of evolution.

However, if one can break away from the drug worshiping mindset and instead uses them as a tool with a purpose, the attention shifts toward the end goal and away for being an inevitable crutch with an answer for everything.

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« Reply #5 on: March 10, 2011, 04:43:40 PM »
Thank you Leafy, you're the impersonation of what a focused positive mindset can accomplish.

bench, it is a drug culture and always has been, agree it's gotten more intense as the stake increases and chemical mastery keeps evolving. Many have tested the physical limits in the last few years, many have also pulled back and tried different ways; like simulation, an inherent part of evolution.

However, if one can break away from the drug worshiping mindset and instead uses them as a tool with a purpose, the attention shifts toward the end goal and away for being an inevitable crutch with an answer for everything.
it will never be positive again....it only used to be positive because nobody talked about the drug use.....but with todays society it is, what it is......and it will never be what is was..

its doomed to be nothing more than a sub culture...

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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #6 on: March 10, 2011, 04:47:50 PM »
nice post
Its really common sense though, something bodybuilders seem to lack

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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #7 on: March 10, 2011, 04:48:12 PM »
bench is absolutely correct.

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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #8 on: March 10, 2011, 04:49:23 PM »
it will never be positive again....it only used to be positive because nobody talked about the drug use.....but with todays society it is, what it is......and it will never be what is was..

its doomed to be nothing more than a sub culture...

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 True. The internet totally exposed the seedy underbelly of drugs and sex in BB.

 In the 80's and 70's they passed it off as wholesome and healthy, that's impossible in the information age. It is now forver tarnished.

 Unless the industry itself transforms, it'll stay as a drug cult.

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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #9 on: March 10, 2011, 04:51:46 PM »
it will never be positive again....it only used to be positive because nobody talked about the drug use.....but with todays society it is, what it is......and it will never be what is was.. its doomed to be nothing more than a sub culture...
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Well is drug usage really negative or simply the next step toward evolution? Take full control of our biological environment, a man engineered physical state..

Also I don't think bodybuilding ever escaped from being a subculture, always has and always will. The same way 2200hp drag racing is.

The bottom line is an individual must be in total peace and understanding of what he/she getting herself into and also not get pulled into the dark side of the subculture which I agree has lost its way but is also cyclical.

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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2011, 04:52:17 PM »
thats why rxmuscle, and mens fitness is pressing strongman stuff so hard....because they need to go more mainstream...and they do drugs too, just as much as BB....but people outside of the sport dont talk about it...they just see a huge bastard lifting and throwing heavy stuff...

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« Reply #11 on: March 10, 2011, 04:55:27 PM »
Well is drug usage really negative or simply the next step toward evolution? Take full control of our biological environment, a man engineered physical state..

Also I don't think bodybuilding ever escaped from being a subculture, always has and always will. The same way 2200hp drag racing is.

The bottom line is an individual must be in total peace and understanding of what he/she getting herself into and also not get pulled into the dark side of the subculture which I agree has lost its way but is also cyclical.

 I totally agree. Nothing wrong with doing drugs. That's Liberty, every man should have the freedom to choose what drugs he takes.

 Society ain't ready for that though. The sheep get frightened when the shephard leaves them alone.

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« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2011, 04:55:52 PM »
Well is drug usage really negative or simply the next step toward evolution? Take full control of our biological environment, a man engineered physical state..

Also I don't think bodybuilding ever escaped from being a subculture, always has and always will. The same way 2200hp drag racing is.

The bottom line is an individual must be in total peace and understanding of what he/she getting herself into and also not get pulled into the dark side of the subculture which I agree has lost its way but is also cyclical.
depends who you ask....

the sub culture= "dont see a problem with it"
mainstream= "they do what????!?"

i dont see it as a next level of evolution...because nothing is evolving....take away the drugs and you are back to a standard human.....

i wish i could go back ON though....i miss that shit everyday ;D

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« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2011, 04:57:06 PM »
depends who you ask....

the sub culture= "dont see a problem with it"
mainstream= "they do what????!?"

i dont see it as a next level of evolution...because nothing is evolving....take away the drugs and you are back to a standard human.....

i wish i could go back ON though....i miss that shit everyday ;D

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 Just do it.

 Fuck the law. Most laws are bullshit.

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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2011, 04:59:54 PM »
Just do it.

 Fuck the law. Most laws are bullshit.
i will not be a hypocrite...

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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2011, 05:05:29 PM »
i will not be a hypocrite...

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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2011, 05:06:13 PM »
depends who you ask....

the sub culture= "dont see a problem with it"
mainstream= "they do what????!?"

i dont see it as a next level of evolution...because nothing is evolving....take away the drugs and you are back to a standard human.....

i wish i could go back ON though....i miss that shit everyday ;D

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Evolution doesn't only occur at the biological level bench... a nurture chemical alteration is also an evolutionary step.  

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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2011, 05:07:32 PM »
Evolution doesn't only occur at the biological level bench... a nurture chemical alteration is also an evolutionary step.  
i think its going to take a little more than that to be hoooooge by osmosis ;D

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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2011, 05:08:06 PM »
Bodybuilding is a sub culture...always will be. Alex's post is the attitude that people should adopt. If you think you are going to be rich and famous from BBing you are an idiot.  Very very few ever have everything fall into place for that to happen. ...its the exception not the rule. If that's your belief you are no better than the pretty boys and girls who arrive in LA by the thousands every month, thinking they are going to be "stars".

That said I love bodybuilding and I embrace that it is a subculture. ..I wouldn't want it any other way.

As to the people here and IRL who say " when are you going to stop with that stuff," or " its not cool the be big anymore"....." chicks don't like guys who are too big".....I say with all sincerity..."Fuck You..its my life....I like it and I'm not bothering anybody. ..so mind your fucking business"

. Like Alex said...its a hobby for me....I spend a whole 6-7 hours a week at the gym....it doesn't get in the way of anything else.

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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2011, 05:10:32 PM »
???
Can you elaborate?
can i?...yes..

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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2011, 05:12:13 PM »
Bodybuilding is a sub culture...always will be. Alex's post is the attitude that people should adopt. If you think you are going to be rich and famous from BBing you are an idiot.  Very very few ever have everything fall into place for that to happen. ...its the exception not the rule. If that's your belief you are no better than the pretty boys and girls who arrive in LA by the thousands every month, thinking they are going to be "stars".

That said I love bodybuilding and I embrace that it is a subculture. ..I wouldn't want it any other way.

As to the people here and IRL who say " when are you going to stop with that stuff," or " its not cool the be big anymore"....." chicks don't like guys who are too big".....I say with all sincerity..."Fuck You..its my life....I like it and I'm not bothering anybody. ..so mind your fucking business"

. Like Alex said...its a hobby for me....I spend a whole 6-7 hours a week at the gym....it doesn't get in the way of anything else.

 Greg W speaks the truth here.

 It's an individual thing. Do it as an individual and don't worry about what everyone else is doing.

 Not like I know anything about it these days though. I'm at 160 now and I look shitty. Just don't care about my muscles anymore.

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Re: Putting some positivity back into the bodybuilding subculture!!!!!!!
« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2011, 05:13:56 PM »
can i?...yes..

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Lulz. Alright, will you elaborate. How are you involved with L.E.?