steroids are they bad for joe average.

[slacker]

Im not looking for facts and statistics from the medical board.  I want to hear your opinions and experiences  real life real world  real getbig

[JimmyJam1974]

Joe Average will do well but Average Joe isn't equipped for steroid usage

[tom joad]

is joe average gonna cash a paycheque based on his physique if he juices? . . . no
is joe average gonna pull more or higher quality tail if he juices? . . . no

so then what's the point of juicing?

[slacker]

is joe average gonna cash a paycheque based on his physique if he juices? . . . no
is joe average gonna pull more or higher quality tail if he juices? . . . no

so then what's the point of juicing?

I see your point.  However I dont think you understand the question

[Croatch]

is joe average gonna cash a paycheque based on his physique if he juices? . . . no
is joe average gonna pull more or higher quality tail if he juices? . . . no

so then what's the point of juicing?

Simple.  It's the one activity where someone can take many drugs and fool themselves into thinking, "I achieved something."
Meanwhile, most look down on gear and these same guys most likely tell others...."I just train hard and eat well."
It doesn't get more sad.
BBing isn't for everyone.  People should look to other things, like joining a bowling league or bicycle club.  Find fulfillment in something real and quit being a phony to yourself.  It's time to man up chumps.
Join the bowling league.

[slacker]

Simple.  It's the one activity where someone can take many drugs and fool themselves into thinking, "I achieved something."
Meanwhile, most look down on gear and these same guys most likely tell others...."I just train hard and eat well."
It doesn't get more sad.
BBing isn't for everyone.  People should look to other things, like joining a bowling league or bicycle club.  Find fulfillment in something real and quit being a phony to yourself.  It's time to man up chumps.
Join the bowling league.

ok but my league bowls on weds   cant I be a BB the other 4 days a week   lol

[The Grim Lifter]

Problems - can fuck with sex drive (returns to normal)

Can change things in your body - Red Blood Cell count (kept going higher and higher slowly until i came off), Liver values (mainly due to eating especially too much protein) Other things but that's all i had but then again Dennis Newman ended up speeding up cancer?

More body hair growth, speed up Male Pattern Baldness

As for how bad it depends upon the person, dosage, length of time on, how young you are when you come off etc.

Totally agree you should at least train 3 years naturally with which you will gain 95%+ of muscle you could gain naturally. From there naturally it's all maturity and density. Why juice if you can gain it with no problems.

As for Croatch, too insecure. Bigger than most juicers out there and still insecure  .

When you are on gear you hold more fluid and if you have a good level of muscle it fucking sucks, i could not get my face to not look bloated unless i was dieting at low BF.

[Tito24]

[slacker]

well said tito

[no one]

Simple.  It's the one activity where someone can take many drugs and fool themselves into thinking, "I achieved something."
Meanwhile, most look down on gear and these same guys most likely tell others...."I just train hard and eat well."
It doesn't get more sad.
BBing isn't for everyone.  People should look to other things, like joining a bowling league or bicycle club.  Find fulfillment in something real and quit being a phony to yourself.  It's time to man up chumps.
Join the bowling league.

[no one]

Liver values (mainly due to eating especially too much protein) Other things but that's all i had but then again Dennis Newman ended up speeding up cancer?

liver values up from eating protein?

steroids accelerated dennis newmans cancer?

where the fuck did you come up with this shit?

[slacker]

liver values up from eating protein?

steroids accelerated dennis newmans cancer?

where the fuck did you come up with this shit?

x2

[tbombz]

Simple.  It's the one activity where someone can take many drugs and fool themselves into thinking, "I achieved something."
Meanwhile, most look down on gear and these same guys most likely tell others...."I just train hard and eat well."
It doesn't get more sad.
BBing isn't for everyone.  People should look to other things, like joining a bowling league or bicycle club.  Find fulfillment in something real and quit being a phony to yourself.  It's time to man up chumps.
Join the bowling league.

[Captain Equipoise]

They will have you look in 2 months like you would have after 5 more years of strict eating, lifting, etc.

in general they are just a great time saver, also you wont look like shit if you party for a few days and don't eat/train

if you're gonna do them make sure you keep your test levels balanced otherwise you won't be getting laid, maintain a 2:1 ratio /w test.

[The Grim Lifter]

liver values up from eating protein?

steroids accelerated dennis newmans cancer?

where the fuck did you come up with this shit?

Liver values up from over eating in general, but yes believing the magazines and over eating protein put the values up. Drop the protein amount down, liver values down. Actually i said exactly that in the post above why don't you read it correctly.

Actually now i think Dennis blamed it on GH enlarging it. I can't remember what he said that's why i put a question mark. But you miss the important bits don't you champ.

But steroids do speed things up. You might have problems earlier in life that you would have later on. If you don't believe it, who cares.

[no one]

Liver values up from over eating in general, but yes believing the magazines and over eating protein put the values up. Drop the protein amount down, liver values down. Actually i said exactly that in the post above why don't you read it correctly.

Actually now i think Dennis blamed it on GH enlarging it. I can't remember what he said that's why i put a question mark. But you miss the important bits don't you champ.

But steroids do speed things up. You might have problems earlier in life that you would have later on. If you don't believe it, who cares.

listen- dont get sore at me cause you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about and i pointed it out.

you're embarrassed. i get that. next time maybe take some time to think about what your saying before you regurgitate stupid shit- this isnt BB.com

be angry at yourself for saying stupid shit, not at me for pointing it out, 'champ'.

[The Grim Lifter]

listen- dont get sore at me cause you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about and i pointed it out.

you're embarrassed. i get that. next time maybe take some time to think about what your saying before you regurgitate stupid shit- this isnt BB.com

be angry at yourself for saying stupid shit, not at me for pointing it out, 'champ'.

I'm sorry great one. Next time i will listen to you. Especially if you read my posts first.

[Reeves]

liver values up from eating protein?

steroids accelerated dennis newmans cancer?

where the fuck did you come up with this shit?

I am not certain but I do believe that cancer is a form of uncontrolled cell growth, hence its association with the use or at least the excessive use of anabolic steroids.  As to liver values, perhaps he was referring to creatinine levels which are often higher in those that participate in a regular exercise plan along with a diet rich in protein.  However this is related to the kidneys and not the liver, or at least that is what I recall. 

Regardless, a cursory search of the internet with relation to either subject should turn up whatever information you may require.   

[Howard]

Im not looking for facts and statistics from the medical board.  I want to hear your opinions and experiences  real life real world  real getbig

I would say the latest edition of "All you can eat and drink seats" at sporting events are worse for your health then roids, but what do I know.
I swear to GOD the ATL Braves have an all you can eat and drink section. They all look like Homer Simspon plus 200 lbs . I fit right in and enjoy being my own kind , thank you

[no one]

I am not certain but I do believe that cancer is a form of uncontrolled cell growth, hence its association with the use or at least the excessive use of anabolic steroids.  As to liver values, perhaps he was referring to creatinine levels which are often higher in those that participate in a regular exercise plan along with a diet rich in protein.  However this is related to the kidneys and not the liver, or at least that is what I recall. 

Regardless, a cursory search of the internet with relation to either subject should turn up whatever information you may require.   

right.

so basically all you wanted to do was show how much you know, about a topic that isnt applicable.

your post is 3 sentences of non valid 'look at me'.

good work.

[The Grim Lifter]

right.

so basically all you wanted to do was show how much you know, about a topic that isnt applicable.

your post is 3 sentences of non valid 'look at me'.

good work.

What can we do to cheer you up today

[Reeves]

right.

so basically all you wanted to do was show how much you know, about a topic that isnt applicable.

your post is 3 sentences of non valid 'look at me'.

good work.

Look champ, I'm not the last person you'd want to insult but only because you're not standing in front of me.    What I wrote was meant to convey information, not incite ignorance.  Sadly on your part, you've done the latter.  Don't get me wrong, I think you're a fine enough person but really now, what I do is write and in comparison what you do is "type".  

If you're going to insult someone then I suggest you do more than "try".  Here, allow me - Reeves, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but that would result in something akin to a dog chasing its tail.  Or how about this - Reeves, you're so short that when it rains you're the last one to know (I'm maybe five feet tall  ).

But then such phrasing is above your head.  Kinda like the shallow end of the gene pool from whence you came.    In other words, my words only sound intelligent to those that aren't.  Oh, and I thought they were applicable to the topic, which is why I wrote them.  

Later kid.  

[slacker]

so steroids  they build muscle you say??

[diamonddelts77]

read anabolics 2010

[no one]

Look champ, I'm not the last person you'd want to insult but only because you're not standing in front of me.    What I wrote was meant to convey information, not incite ignorance.  Sadly on your part, you've done the latter.  Don't get me wrong, I think you're a fine enough person but really now, what I do is write and in comparison what you do is "type".  

If you're going to insult someone then I suggest you do more than "try".  Here, allow me - Reeves, I'd tell you to go fuck yourself but that would result in something akin to a dog chasing its tail.  Or how about this - Reeves, you're so short that when it rains you're the last one to know (I'm maybe five feet tall  ).

But then such phrasing is above your head.  Kinda like the shallow end of the gene pool from whence you came.    In other words, my words only sound intelligent to those that aren't.  Oh, and I thought they were applicable to the topic, which is why I wrote them.  

Later kid.  

thank you for taking the time and effort to write that reeves.

at least it had something to do with what we're talking about this time, and not just useless and self serving drivel.

wasnt that easy? keep up the good work.