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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #25 on: March 11, 2011, 12:46:23 PM »
 :D

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #26 on: March 11, 2011, 12:50:13 PM »
relax you only have 6 more years  ;D

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #27 on: March 11, 2011, 12:51:40 PM »
relax you only have 6 more years  ;D

We wont last that long under this kamikaze potus.   Did you read about PIMCO?

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #28 on: March 11, 2011, 12:53:34 PM »

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2011, 12:59:16 PM »
oh and i forgot 6 more years of bowing  ;D

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2011, 01:01:49 PM »
oh and i forgot 6 more years of bowing  ;D

Who the hell is there left to bow to at this point?   Palin?     lol.   

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #31 on: March 17, 2011, 01:20:51 PM »
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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #32 on: March 17, 2011, 01:34:13 PM »
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where's the quote from Obama?

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #33 on: March 17, 2011, 01:52:32 PM »
Mr. Obama has told people that it would be so much easier to be the president of China. As one official put it, ‘No one is scrutinizing Hu Jintao’s words in Tahrir Square.’”

Link to his quote?  I don't even see who is claiming he's made this statement.

Anonymous source claimed by anonymous author?

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #34 on: March 17, 2011, 01:53:46 PM »
Link to his quote?  I don't even see who is claiming he's made this statement.

Anonymous source claimed by anonymous author?

I posted what was in the NY Times as reported by WS.   

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #36 on: March 17, 2011, 02:02:02 PM »
I posted what was in the NY Times as reported by WS.   

exactly

not a quote from Obama

is it?

not even a name of the person who made the quote either

good job

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #37 on: March 17, 2011, 02:03:05 PM »
exactly

not a quote from Obama

is it?

not even a name of the person who made the quote either

good job

Are you saying the NY Times isn't a reliable news organization?

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #38 on: March 17, 2011, 02:03:52 PM »
I posted what was in the NY Times as reported by WS.  

I thought the NYT and WP were both lib pieces of garbage.

Why would you cite an authorless article with an anonymous quote from a source you consider to be biased and often full of lies?


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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #39 on: March 17, 2011, 02:04:35 PM »
exactly

not a quote from Obama

is it?

not even a name of the person who made the quote either

good job

Yeah - now the NYT, which was never asked by the WH to retract the story, is under question.   Ha ha ha ha. 

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #40 on: March 17, 2011, 02:06:32 PM »
I thought the NYT and WP were both lib pieces of garbage.

Why would you cite an authorless article with an anonymous quote from a source you consider to be biased and often full of lies?



So you're agreeing that they're trash?

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #41 on: March 17, 2011, 02:07:43 PM »
Obama Seeks a Course of Pragmatism in the Middle East
By MARK LANDLER and HELENE COOPER




WASHINGTON — In the Middle East crisis, as on other issues, there are two Barack Obamas: the transformative historical figure and the pragmatic American president. Three months after a Tunisian fruit vendor set himself aflame and ignited a political firestorm across the Arab world, the president is trumping the trailblazer.

With the spread of antigovernment protests from North Africa to the strategic, oil-rich Persian Gulf, President Obama has adopted a policy of restraint. He has concluded that his administration must shape its response country by country, aides say, recognizing a stark reality that American national security interests weigh as heavily as idealistic impulses. That explains why Mr. Obama has dialed down the vocal support he gave demonstrators in Cairo to a more modulated call for peaceful protest and respect for universal rights elsewhere.

This emphasis on pragmatism over idealism has left Mr. Obama vulnerable to criticism that he is losing the battle for the hearts and minds of the Arab street protesters. Some say he is failing to bind the United States to the historic change under way in the Middle East the way that Ronald Reagan forever cemented himself in history books to the end of the cold war with his famous call to tear down the Berlin Wall.

“It’s tempting, and it would be easy, to go out day after day with cathartic statements that make us feel good,” said Benjamin J. Rhodes, the deputy national security adviser, who wrote Mr. Obama’s soaring speech in Cairo to the Islamic world in 2009. “But ultimately, what’s most important is achieving outcomes that are consistent with our values, because if we don’t, those statements will be long forgotten.”

On Thursday, Mr. Obama’s national security adviser, Thomas E. Donilon, deflected calls for more aggressive action in Libya, telling reporters what American officials have been saying privately for days: despite pleas from Libyan rebels for military assistance, the United States will not, at least for now, put its pilots in harm’s way by enforcing a no-flight zone over the country.

Not only is intervention risky, officials said, but they also fear that in some cases, it could be counterproductive, provoking a backlash against the United States for meddling in what is a homegrown political movement.

A senior administration official acknowledged the irony of Mr. Obama’s dilemma; he is, after all, the first black president, whose election was hailed on the Arab street, where many protesters identify their own struggles with the civil rights movement.

“There is a desire for Obama — not the American president, but Obama — to speak to their aspirations,” the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity. But, he added, “his first job is to be the American president.”

So Mr. Obama has thrown his weight behind attempts by the royal family of Bahrain, the home of the Navy’s Fifth Fleet, to survive, although protesters say their demands have not been met. He has said little about political grievances in Saudi Arabia, a major oil supplier, where there were reports on Thursday of a violent dispersal of Shiite protesters. And he has limited White House critiques of Yemen, where the government is helping the United States root out a terrorist threat, even after that government opened fire on demonstrators.

The more cautious approach contrasts sharply with Mr. Obama’s response in North Africa, where he abandoned a 30-year alliance with Hosni Mubarak of Egypt and has demanded the resignation of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi in Libya. But Mr. Obama is balancing his idealistic instincts against his reluctance to use military action in Libya, where the United States does not have a vital strategic interest. Mr. Donilon noted that the administration needed to keep its focus on the broader region, where allies like Egypt loom large.

The time is coming, administration officials said, for Mr. Obama to make another major speech taking stock of the upheaval. But its central message is not yet set, and there is likely to be lively debate about questions like whether the president should admit American complicity in propping up undemocratic governments in Egypt, Saudi Arabia and elsewhere.

“I don’t honestly think it would change much,” said a second senior official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations. “It isn’t going to change the perception of the United States one way or the other. What will continue to affect the perception of the United States is what we do now.”

The White House will send Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton to Egypt and Tunisia next week, where officials said she would congratulate the protesters for sweeping out their leaders peacefully and offer aid to revive the nations’ economies. She had planned to stop in Riyadh, the Saudi capital, but canceled, officials said, because King Abdullah is too ill to meet her.

This underscores one of the difficulties the United States faces in dealing with Saudi Arabia, a crucial ally that is run by an aging, infirm ruling family that has refused to open the political system. Instead, the king tried to mollify his people by doling out $36 billion worth of pay raises, unemployment checks and housing subsidies.

Bahrain poses a different problem. There, King Hamad bin Isa al-Khalifa has pledged to enter a dialogue with the protestors, after having unleashed its security forces on them. Officials said Mr. Obama persuaded King Hamad to pull back his forces, which they said won the United States goodwill from the mostly Shiite demonstrators. But the talks have failed to get off the ground, and now some Shiites feel the Americans have sided against them.

“There is a sense among many Bahraini reformers that the U.S. is a bit too eager to praise progress toward dialogue and reform that has not yet happened, and that the premature praise is easing pressure on the government,” said Tom Malinowski, the head of the Washington office of Human Rights Watch.

“Striking a very balanced, and in many ways, neutral approach is recognized by many people in the region as not being with them, or on their side,” said J. Scott Mastic, the head of Middle East and North Africa for the International Republican Institute. “It’s very important that we be seen as supporting the demands of the people in the region.”

How Mr. Obama manages to do that while also balancing American interests is a question that officials acknowledge will plague this historic president for months to come. Mr. Obama has told people that it would be so much easier to be the president of China. As one official put it, “No one is scrutinizing Hu Jintao’s words in Tahrir Square.”

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #42 on: March 17, 2011, 02:16:03 PM »
Yeah - now the NYT, which was never asked by the WH to retract the story, is under question.   Ha ha ha ha. 

these are not my words but it's more of what I said about your so called quote in a prior post:

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Every one of these criticisms takes a paraphrased, one-sentence attribution out of context and blows it out of proportion. The quote is included in the context of discussing the scrutiny Obama faces while trying to balance the demands of citizens in the Middle East with the United States' own interests. It precedes an official noting that "[n]o one is scrutinizing Hu Jintao's words in Tahrir Square."

The point is that foreign nationals are not scrutinizing the actions of other nations as they are those the United States. That's it. It is not a sign that Obama wishes he were a dictator, that he resents having to negotiate with Congress, or that Obama wants to "slaughter those disruptive Gadsden flag-waving tea partiers."


here is what an actual quote looks like but in lieu of video you can actually show me a quote from Obama and that would be fine too




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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #43 on: March 17, 2011, 02:20:48 PM »
Ha ha ha ha ha - yeah, like it makes a difference?   

Bottom line - Obama is on the defense and is not up to the job.  Everyone knows it.   if the feeling in the WH is of what was quoted - its clear as day they cnsider themselves unable to deal with events.   

Its more failsville from his idiotic WH.     

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #44 on: March 17, 2011, 02:22:54 PM »
Ha ha ha ha ha - yeah, like it makes a difference?   

Bottom line - Obama is on the defense and is not up to the job.  Everyone knows it.   if the feeling in the WH is of what was quoted - its clear as day they cnsider themselves unable to deal with events.   

Its more failsville from his idiotic WH.     

yeah - who cares if you have no actual quote from Obama

let's just pretend you did

what's the difference

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #45 on: March 17, 2011, 02:25:36 PM »
yeah - who cares if you have no actual quote from Obama

let's just pretend you did

what's the difference

Its quotes from his admn as to the feeling in the WH that is obvious as well in its behavior. 

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #46 on: March 17, 2011, 02:36:35 PM »
Its quotes from his admn as to the feeling in the WH that is obvious as well in its behavior. 

who said it ?

even better - what was the context (not that context has ever mattered to you)

get me a quote from Obama or stop lying and saying you have a quote from Obama

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #47 on: March 17, 2011, 02:41:13 PM »
who said it ?

even better - what was the context (not that context has ever mattered to you)

get me a quote from Obama or stop lying and saying you have a quote from Obama

I posted exactly where it came from.   Send an email to NYT reporter and ask him. 

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Re: Obama: "It would be so much easier to be the president of China"
« Reply #48 on: March 17, 2011, 03:07:40 PM »
I posted exactly where it came from.   Send an email to NYT reporter and ask him. 

yep - an unnamed person who was not Obama

great "quote"