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Re: WATCH NOW last hope. droping water from copters? seriously?
« Reply #400 on: March 16, 2011, 07:05:35 PM »
i m simply in awe. As you said it neither you or I know what's best to do, so stop acting like you know more. Nobody knows if it's indeed amateurish or if it's the best thing to do. Im just saying it looks amateurish, period.

But I tell you, the whole world will condemn the amateurism of what we re seeing right now some days, weeks from now.

I can agree with you up to certain point about their inability to do something that seems fairly simple - spraying water at an inanimate object.
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Re: WATCH NOW last hope. droping water from copters? seriously?
« Reply #401 on: March 16, 2011, 07:06:56 PM »
Yes, seriously.

Maybe you have missed it, but there was a major earthquake and Tsunami, the infrastructure is completely destroyed there.

Dropping water from helicopters is used in firefighting all over the world.

DK, uberman is not the sharpest tool in the shed if you haven't noticed.

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Re: WATCH NOW last hope. droping water from copters? seriously?
« Reply #402 on: March 16, 2011, 07:07:14 PM »
i m simply in awe. As you said it neither you or I know what's best to do, so stop acting like you know more. Nobody knows if it's indeed amateurish or if it's the best thing to do. Im just saying it looks amateurish, period.

But I tell you, the whole world will condemn the amateurism of what we re seeing right now in some days, weeks from now.

 I think you are bitching about nothing. They are shooting water at it with a truck, who cares what kind of truck it is. Bring it every kind of fucking truck, this ain't a show, it's an emergency.

 Carry on....

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #403 on: March 16, 2011, 07:12:07 PM »
that's the problem..they should have had several hi tech trucks with huge tanks ready yesterday or even sooner...and more than just two copters... this screams amateurism. I dont care what you guys think experts worldwide will criticize the way the whole thing has been "managed" by japanese.

I ve read government and TEPCO have been bullshiting each others and the population for days. The PM of japan said he was disgusted by the way TEPCO managed the thing and how they informed the governement.

Why do you think britain, US and the international atomic agency sent their own specialists to assess the situation by themselves these last two days?




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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #404 on: March 16, 2011, 07:14:54 PM »
Getbiggers telling  the Japanese  government how to resolve a nuclear crisis .haha  ;D

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #405 on: March 16, 2011, 07:18:30 PM »
Getbiggers telling  the Japanese  government how to resolve a nuclear crisis .haha  ;D

 No shit.

 That's like me telling you the best way to make a greasy jerry curl. You know how to do that shit like the back of your hand, i'm just a noob compared to you.

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #406 on: March 16, 2011, 07:21:27 PM »
No shit.

 That's like me telling you the best way to make a greasy jerry curl. You know how to do that shit like the back of your hand, i'm just a noob compared to you.

Exactly


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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #407 on: March 16, 2011, 07:25:08 PM »
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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #408 on: March 17, 2011, 02:37:48 AM »
Getbiggers telling  the Japanese  government how to resolve a nuclear crisis .haha  ;D

Well, SMM could piss out a nuclear fire in seconds, or he could simply solve the problem with his 270 IQ, but he is too busy posting on getbig.

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #409 on: March 17, 2011, 02:40:51 AM »
getbig has solved more difficult things in the past.

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #410 on: March 17, 2011, 02:44:08 AM »


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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #411 on: March 17, 2011, 03:16:41 AM »
Whole thing is turning into ridiculous.
My mom and dad will come here Spain in this Saturday .
I hope that they arrive here before the melt down....

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #412 on: March 17, 2011, 03:20:42 AM »
Whole thing is turning into ridiculous.
My mom and dad will come here Spain in this Saturday .
I hope that they arrive here before the melt down....

Kyomuuuuuu thank god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where were you?!!!!!! i was fucking worried!!

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #413 on: March 17, 2011, 03:32:04 AM »
Kyomuuuuuu thank god!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! where were you?!!!!!! i was fucking worried!!
Thanks. I am keep on posting but very few. :)

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #414 on: March 17, 2011, 03:55:15 AM »
is there a problem Kyomu?

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #415 on: March 17, 2011, 04:38:40 AM »
Whole thing is turning into ridiculous.
My mom and dad will come here Spain in this Saturday .
I hope that they arrive here before the melt down....

ridiculous, they will catch more radiation on the flight then if they had stayed in Japan.

People are seriously overreacting.

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #416 on: March 17, 2011, 04:43:38 AM »
ridiculous, they will catch more radiation on the flight then if they had stayed in Japan.

People are seriously overreacting.
How far away do you have to be to be safe from the radiation?

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #417 on: March 17, 2011, 04:47:01 AM »
How far away do you have to be to be safe from the radiation?

30km from the plant, highest estimate is 80km.


You catch more than the yearly dose of radiation on a flight from europe to Japan, makes no sense to fly to Europe to escape radiation.

If i would worry about radiation, i'd fly to Taiwan, Hong Kong or Hawaii.

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #418 on: March 17, 2011, 04:57:14 AM »
30km from the plant, highest estimate is 80km.


You catch more than the yearly dose of radiation on a flight from europe to Japan, makes no sense to fly to Europe to escape radiation.

If i would worry about radiation, i'd fly to Taiwan, Hong Kong or Hawaii.
I hope you are right---but in the future, if your kid is born with gills---I will remind you what you said...

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #419 on: March 17, 2011, 04:59:48 AM »
I hope you are right---but in the future, if your kid is born with gills---I will remind you what you said...


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Seriously, there is no problem with radiation where i am now, and my wife isn't pregnant.

IF there would be radiation levels that would cause problems, i would leave here, but right now getting on a plane would cause a higher radiation than staying here.

It's all pretty exaggerated.


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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #420 on: March 17, 2011, 05:05:34 AM »
30km from the plant, highest estimate is 80km.


You catch more than the yearly dose of radiation on a flight from europe to Japan, makes no sense to fly to Europe to escape radiation.

If i would worry about radiation, i'd fly to Taiwan, Hong Kong or Hawaii.

LOL so everyone outside the 80km radius is completely safe. Brutal mass paranoia.

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #421 on: March 17, 2011, 05:07:46 AM »
LOL so everyone outside the 80km radius is completely safe. Brutal mass paranoia.

Mass paranoia is what is happening in Europe and the US.

I never said everyone is completely SAFE, but at the moment there is no threat to the health outside of that 80km radius.



Maybe you should read this:

http://ukinjapan.fco.gov.uk/en/news/?view=News&id=566811882


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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #422 on: March 17, 2011, 05:08:53 AM »
Here's some more info. "I" is not me, i copied this fromsomewhere else.



I have just returned from a conference call held at the British Embassy in Tokyo. The call was concerning the nuclear issue in Japan. The chief spokesman was Sir. John Beddington, Chief Scientific Adviser to the UK Government, and he was joined by a number of qualified nuclear experts based in the UK. Their assessment of the current situation in Japan is as follows:
 

* In case of a 'reasonable worst case scenario' (defined as total meltdown of one reactor with subsequent radioactive explosion) an exclusion zone of 30 km would be the maximum required to avoid affecting peoples' health. Even in a worse situation (loss of two or more reactors) it is unlikely that the damage would be significantly more than that caused by the loss of a single reactor.
 
* The current 20km exclusion zone is appropriate for the levels of radiation/risk currently experienced, and if the pouring of sea water can be maintained to cool the reactors, the likelihood of a major incident should be avoided. A further large quake with tsunami could lead to the suspension of the current cooling operations, leading to the above scenario.
 
* The bottom line is that these experts do not see there being a possibility of a health problem for residents in Tokyo. The radiation levels would need to be hundreds of times higher than current to cause the possibility for health issues, and that, in their opinion, is not going to happen (they were talking minimum levels affecting pregnant women and children - for normal adults the levels would need to be much higher still).
 
* The experts do not consider the wind direction to be material. They say Tokyo is too far away to be materially affected.
 
* If the pouring of water can be maintained the situation should be much improved in time, as the reactors' cores cool down.
 
* Information being provided by Japanese authorities is being independently monitored by a number of organizations and is deemed to be accurate, as far as measures of radioactivity levels are concerned.
 
* This is a very different situation from Chernobyl, where the reactor went into meltdown and the encasement, which exploded, was left to burn for weeks without any control. Even with Chernobyl, an exclusion zone of 30 km would have been adequate to protect human health. The problem was that most people became sick from eating contaminated food, crops, milk and water in the region for years afterward, as no attempt was made to measure radioactivity levels in the food supply at that time or warn people of the dangers. The secrecy over the Chernobyl explosion is in contrast to the very public coverage of the Fukushima crisis.
 
* The Head of the British School asked if the school should remain closed. The answer was there is no need to close the school due to fears of radiation. There may well be other reasons - structural damage or possible new quakes - but the radiation fear is not supported by scientific measures, even for children.
 
* Regarding Iodine supplementation, the experts said this was only necessary for those who had inhaled quantities of radiation (those in the exclusion zone or workers on the site) or through consumption of contaminated food/water supplies. Long term consumption of iodine is, in any case, not healthy.
 
The discussion was surprisingly frank and to the point. The conclusion of the experts is that the damage caused by the earthquake and tsunami, as well as the subsequent aftershocks, was much more of an issue than the fear of radiation sickness from the nuclear plants.
 
Let's hope the experts are right!

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #423 on: March 17, 2011, 05:12:08 AM »

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Seriously, there is no problem with radiation where i am now, and my wife isn't pregnant.

IF there would be radiation levels that would cause problems, i would leave here, but right now getting on a plane would cause a higher radiation than staying here.

It's all pretty exaggerated.


I'm being sarcastic, but anytime there is a Nuclear Meltdown of any sort of any manitude, we know the full scope of everything...or the long lasting effects on health, one's mental state, etc. To say that it's "pretty exaggerated" is as about as premature as saying Evan Centopani will be Mr. Olympia (bbing related).

Exaggerated=Toyota unintended accelleration issues
PreMature Judgement of scope=Ralph Nader's "Unsafe at Any Speed"

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Re: WATCH NOW live streaming of situation at japanese nuclear plant
« Reply #424 on: March 17, 2011, 05:14:05 AM »
I'm being sarcastic, but anytime there is a Nuclear Meltdown of any sort of any manitude, we know the full scope of everything...or the long lasting effects on health, one's mental state, etc. To say that it's "pretty exaggerated" is as about as premature as saying Evan Centopani will be Mr. Olympia (bbing related).

Exaggerated=Toyota unintended accelleration issues
PreMature Judgement of scope=Ralph Nader's "Unsafe at Any Speed"

Very good example!!!

All examinations have shown that the problem was ONLY with the drivers, mistaking the acceleration for the brake. There was no problem with the cars at all.