Author Topic: What if they made this guy Mr. Olympia? (Read 10904 times)

closeline · « **Reply #25 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:27:17 AM »

Quote from: no one on March 13, 2011, 10:23:22 AM

i agree.

hes got size and aesthetics. good proportion. roundness to his muscle bellies that make him look cartoonish. wouldnt hurt my feelings if bb'ing to this route.

closeline- your boy looks good. needs more in the legs to be complete. very slight looking thru the hams and quads. no sweep or density.

but you cant compare him to cedric mcmillian. apples and oranges.

sure, you are right

i compare him to berry de mey or labrada

and this is the type of bodybuillder i prefer

i know it won t happen, but i feel good about the idea to set time back and ban insulin out of the cuklt again

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #26 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:48:02 AM »

If they made that guy Mr O, how would anyone compete with that? They couldn't. Today at least you can beat someone with better lines if you're more ripped or bigger. That guy's proportions are genetic, there's no way to train for it. Bodybuilding is already very subjective but making a guy like that the pinnacle would take what little competitive element there is in bodybuilding out of it. No one can train harder, juice harder, diet harder etc to beat it. How would Branch or Evan or Heath or McMillan beat it? There's zero they could do to try to beat it.

I agree that today's bodybuilding is a disaster but there's no realistic solution for the problems we see in bodybuilding today. The only solution would be more and better drugs! "What, is this guy crazy, there's already too many drugs in the sport?!", I hear you say. Better drugs would be drugs that give size without a pregnant gut, it would be drugs that give localized size without looking fake like Synthol, drugs that don't make the razor sharp conditioning disappear. That's the only thing that would improve bodybuilding.

no one · « **Reply #27 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:50:15 AM »

Quote from: closeline on March 13, 2011, 10:27:17 AM

but i feel good about the idea to set time back and ban insulin out of the cuklt again

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on March 13, 2011, 10:48:02 AM

, drugs that don't make the razor sharp conditioning disappear. That's the only thing that would improve bodybuilding.

x 2

closeline · « **Reply #28 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:52:26 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on March 13, 2011, 10:48:02 AM

If they made that guy Mr O, how would anyone compete with that? They couldn't. Today at least you can beat someone with better lines if you're more ripped or bigger. That guy's proportions are genetic, there's no way to train for it. Bodybuilding is already very subjective but making a guy like that the pinnacle would take what little competitive element there is in bodybuilding out of it. No one can train harder, juice harder, diet harder etc to beat it. How would Branch or Evan or Heath or McMillan beat it? There's zero they could do to try to beat it.

I agree that today's bodybuilding is a disaster but there's no realistic solution for the problems we see in bodybuilding today. The only solution would be more and better drugs! "What, is this guy crazy, there's already too many drugs in the sport?!", I hear you say. Better drugs would be drugs that give size without a pregnant gut, it would be drugs that give localized size without looking fake like Synthol, drugs that don't make the razor sharp conditioning disappear. That's the only thing that would improve bodybuilding.

he would just be one of the top guys because of his genetics like arnold was

and it wasn t a big mistake for bb to make arnold the winner

maybe it it wouldn t be all drugs , way more talents would compete
iactually belive that nowadays the best talents stay away from the sport because they know it will be all drugs to come up

that s sad

Van_Bilderass · « **Reply #29 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:58:17 AM »

Quote from: closeline on March 13, 2011, 10:52:26 AM

he would just be one of the top guys because of his genetics like arnold was

and it wasn t a big mistake for bb to make arnold the winner

maybe it it wouldn t be all drugs , way more talents would compete
iactually belive that nowadays the best talents stay away from the sport because they know it will be all drugs to come up

that s sad

Modern bodybuilding was always all drugs. Arnold started popping pills as early as 13. If that isn't all drugs then what is?

And you better believe this guy is on all the same shit as the rest. Maybe not quite as much of certain compounds but it's not like he's doing only what Arnold did. There's a lot of peptide use. He's just lucky it's not affecting him negatively (yet).

closeline · « **Reply #30 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:58:45 AM »

one freak generation of pros on stage isn t bad for the bb industrie, it doesn t matter if the so called "fans "buy s their tickets to see the freaks just because they like freakshows and not because they like to wath guys already having the body they would like to have

but the next generation of pros will be much worse because of that and this hurts the whole bb industrie because the freak lovers will not as much try to get up there by themselfs as the "inspired" fan of an more mainstream ideal would do

so the current judging hurts the industrie very much

Matt C · « **Reply #31 on:** March 13, 2011, 04:58:18 PM »

I had no idea that David Hoffman was so tall but he looks to be around 6'2. This makes his incredibly small waist that much more impressive. Great physique.

timfogarty · « **Reply #32 on:** March 13, 2011, 10:50:28 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on March 13, 2011, 10:48:02 AM

If they made that guy Mr O, how would anyone compete with that? They couldn't. Today at least you can beat someone with better lines if you're more ripped or bigger. That guy's proportions are genetic, there's no way to train for it.

no it's not. he looks like a bodybuilder from the late 70s and early 80s, before GH and insulin. if everyone stopped with the gh and insulin, lots of guys would have similar physiques.

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #33 on:** March 14, 2011, 03:05:31 AM »

Maybe a 'Mr Olympia Classic' with a BMI limit of <30? (Ronnie, Markus and Jay are 40+)
Personally I go for the freaks, but just like music there needs to be variety in bodybuilding.

gh15 · « **Reply #34 on:** March 14, 2011, 03:41:37 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on March 13, 2011, 10:58:17 AM

Modern bodybuilding was always all drugs. Arnold started popping pills as early as 13. If that isn't all drugs then what is?

And you better believe this guy is on all the same shit as the rest. Maybe not quite as much of certain compounds but it's not like he's doing only what Arnold did. There's a lot of peptide use. He's just lucky it's not affecting him negatively (yet).

yes,,many dont get this that the sooner you pop it ,,the sooner you put needle in the ass ,,the more chance you have to sucess in bodybuild,,17 and 30 is not the same thing!! 30 and needles will never be profesional NEVER,,maybe in master or maybe if realy genetic reedpond out of this world,,but 30 too late,,and over 30 as in 35 ...forget about it ,,max locals,,then again local bodybuilding is very good its just not profesional ,,in many time locals look much better because they atleast bvring in some condition that is worth of something and still have no major gut etc ,,but even this changes and locals start having big guts,,horrible whats going on,,if you are local bodybuiold and you present gut ..you have no place in bodybuild to begin with,,local should look like frank zane build on stage ,,NEVER GUT ,,never ever ,,they should also do well and this how bodybuild shuld have stayed,,frank zane ....beautiful man with glases later on ,,etc,,mass with class when at its best!

gh15 approved

gh15 · « **Reply #35 on:** March 14, 2011, 03:45:44 AM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on March 13, 2011, 10:48:02 AM

If they made that guy Mr O, how would anyone compete with that? They couldn't. Today at least you can beat someone with better lines if you're more ripped or bigger. That guy's proportions are genetic, there's no way to train for it. Bodybuilding is already very subjective but making a guy like that the pinnacle would take what little competitive element there is in bodybuilding out of it. No one can train harder, juice harder, diet harder etc to beat it. How would Branch or Evan or Heath or McMillan beat it? There's zero they could do to try to beat it.

I agree that today's bodybuilding is a disaster but there's no realistic solution for the problems we see in bodybuilding today. The only solution would be more and better drugs! "What, is this guy crazy, there's already too many drugs in the sport?!", I hear you say. Better drugs would be drugs that give size without a pregnant gut, it would be drugs that give localized size without looking fake like Synthol, drugs that don't make the razor sharp conditioning disappear. That's the only thing that would improve bodybuilding.

this has to do a lot with dialing in ,,most frellas now day relay on gh on mega dose and dont eat strict enough to get down to the 4 percent,,they rely on thyroid meds and gh mainly gh in godly doses ,, the idea is to use less gh and get the highest you can ,,,not many can do it ,,if you take 5-10 iu and you can get into the 210-220 on stage ready to compete....you are on the right track,,5;10 ,,,problem is ferllas see that they are 185 190 on stage with thsoe doses gh so they up the dose,,,that where respond matter,,if you can get to 210 stage ready on 6 iu gh and not 190 stage ready ....then! you got potential for big things,, but you can only know it after 12 months on gh and trenbolona consistantly,,

most fellas that go on gh 6 iu and trenbolona 100mg a day for few months compete in the 190-200lb on stage ,,,you need more time and better respond but first more time to see how respond is at the end of 12 months then go from there

gh15 approved

Schmoe Buster · « **Reply #36 on:** March 14, 2011, 06:00:40 AM »

Quote from: timfogarty on March 13, 2011, 10:50:28 PM

no it's not. he looks like a bodybuilder from the late 70s and early 80s, before GH and insulin. if everyone stopped with the gh and insulin, lots of guys would have similar physiques.

Im sure David is on a ton of HGH, great physique, he seems a fan of the golden era so i wouldnt be surprised if his main stuff was Deca,Primo and Dbol

stuntmovie · « **Reply #37 on:** March 14, 2011, 07:59:30 AM »

DroppingPlates ...... I agree entirely about your "need for variety" in bodybuilding contests and I think that's one of the main reasons for this new NPC Men's Physique Division.

There are a few guys on this Board alone who have the phenominal potential (mainly genetics) to set new standards within the world of competitive bodybuilding but don't have the desire to do what is required to compete on today’s Olympia stage.

And since there is no recognizable 'venue' in which they can compete on a level playing field, they give up the 'idea' of reaching their full potential and seek other endeavors.

Two such GetBiggers come to mind at present (maybe they'll speak up), both of whom should or could reach the zenith of the bodybuilding world if it wasn't for the fact that the powers that be only offer accolades and financial awards/rewards to those who are affectionally referred to as "freaks or mass monsters or bulky blunders" by the "freak or mass monster or bulky blunder fans" within the world of today's competitive muscle.

So in a somewhat basic attempt to keep these noteworthy guys within the NPC family, the Men's Physique Division was born.

But that alone does not solve the need for variety within competitive bodybuilding and I do belive that the NPC will or should be thinking along those lines in the not too distant future.

If the NPC doesn't, then some other sanctioning body will.

And if no one follows through, this world of muscle you either love, like, or dispise will lose some guys who could have set new standards and caused a lot of damage on any competitive stage.

Thanks, DROP, for that kick in the butt. Maybe someone in higher authority will read this and get the ball rolling in the right direction.

SusanFitness · « **Reply #38 on:** March 14, 2011, 07:38:25 PM »

haha, oh brother, another queer complaining that bodybuilders aren't pretty enough.

Charlys69 · « **Reply #39 on:** March 15, 2011, 01:12:46 PM »

the last picture was taken at the end of his Juniors Competition time (age 20 or 21). I´m training sometimes in the same Gym as David, or talk a lot with him in his Supplement-Shop (Fitness-Flavor, Koblenz/Germany). In the last 3 Years he wasn´t unable to progress as much as he normally could, because 1. he worked 2 Jobs + Competive BB, 2. leg injury. In the last 6 Months (he cancelled 1 of his Jobs) he was able to train good, and made some improvements. I guess that we will see next year a still better David Hoffmann.
Next weekend he also compete in England at Joe Weiders Europe Amateur Olympia.

timfogarty · « **Reply #40 on:** March 15, 2011, 08:46:09 PM »

Quote from: stuntmovie on March 14, 2011, 07:59:30 AM

So in a somewhat basic attempt to keep these noteworthy guys within the NPC family, the Men's Physique Division was born.

so why didn't they go the Classic Division route, as others have in Europe, with bodybuilding poses and posing suits and height/weight ratio classes? The way Physique has been described seems too much like MuscleMania and others' Model Search.

axestream · « **Reply #41 on:** March 15, 2011, 09:30:27 PM »

Quote from: Van_Bilderass on March 13, 2011, 10:48:02 AM

If they made that guy Mr O, how would anyone compete with that? They couldn't. Today at least you can beat someone with better lines if you're more ripped or bigger. That guy's proportions are genetic, there's no way to train for it.

Sports = genetics no matter how you put it and so is bodybuilding whether it's about full muscle bellies, proportions, drug response etc.

stuntmovie · « **Reply #42 on:** March 15, 2011, 10:20:54 PM »

Tim, I am not up to date on this Classic Division you mentioned above. Can you refer me to those official rules and regs? (I thought I knew everything.)

Yea, Tim, the new Men's Physique Division does sound something similar to a Muscle Mania event, but I personally think it is a wise financial move for the NPC, but it will be interesting to see how the NPC promoters and officials manage to conduct all these contests in the time alloted and still keep the audience interested and in their seats.

timfogarty · « **Reply #43 on:** March 16, 2011, 11:41:12 AM »

Quote from: stuntmovie on March 15, 2011, 10:20:54 PM

Tim, I am not up to date on this Classic Division you mentioned above. Can you refer me to those official rules and regs? (I thought I knew everything.)

how about page 20 of the IFBB rule book?

19. There is one open category in junior men’s classic bodybuilding, with the
following bodyweight limitations:

Up to & incl 170 cm
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] – 100) + 1 [kg]

Up to & incl 175 cm
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] -100) + 2 [kg]

Up to & incl 180cm
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] -100) + 3 [kg]

Up to & incl 190 cm
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] -100) + 4 [kg]

Up to & incl 198 cm:
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] – 100) + 4.5 [kg]

Over 198 cm:
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] – 100) + 5 [kg]

20. There are four categories in senior men’s classic bodybuilding, currently as
follows:

Up to & incl 170 cm
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] – 100) + 2 [kg]

Up to & incl 175 cm
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] -100) + 4 [kg]

Up to & incl 180cm
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] -100) + 6 [kg]

Over 180 cm
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] -100) + 8 [kg]

Note 1: For competitors with a body height over 190 cm and up to and including 198
cm, the following formula will be used:
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] – 100) + 9 [kg]

Note 2: For competitors with a body height over 198 cm, the following formula will be
used:
Max Weight [kg] = (Height [cm] – 100) + 10 [kg]

Note 3: All of the competitors mentioned in notes 1 and 2 will participate in the Over
180 cm category.

otherwise all the rules are the same as open bodybuilding

Pete Nice · « **Reply #44 on:** March 17, 2011, 02:08:53 PM »

doison · « **Reply #45 on:** March 17, 2011, 09:18:23 PM »

Quote from: maxkane69 on March 12, 2011, 12:08:42 PM

That is what a call bodybuilding!

Yes, a do too!

doison · « **Reply #46 on:** March 17, 2011, 09:20:40 PM »

Quote from: G_Thang on March 12, 2011, 05:10:55 PM

what is up with arabs financially supporting bbers with their stolen African oil money? i dont get it.

Stolen from an African land, chased out with a knife.
With a face like Bob Marley, and a mouth like a motorbike.

DroppingPlates · « **Reply #47 on:** March 19, 2011, 11:15:07 AM »

And thank you Stunt for giving this thread a positive touch, complaining what's wrong like most gbiggers do won't bring us far.