2012 will be about Obama

[MCWAY]

Despite all the obsession certain members of TK have with Palin, Bauchmann, Newt, or other potential GOP presidental candidates, in the end, it's all about the performance (or lack thereof) of the current president.

2012 will be about Obama

The greatest political deception of the month must be that PowerPoint presentation — the 10-slide deck that shows the president matched against various Republicans — that is being trundled around the country for showings to audiences of Democrat fat-cats. Naturally, I haven’t been invited to view it, but I am betting that the data shared with big donors does not show the “deserves reelection” percentage earned by the president. That would scare off the faint-hearted. So, instead, the deceivers show the head-to-head results of Obama versus Michele Bachmann. I can’t believe sophisticated contributors are falling for this.

Not only is this “data-based” sleight of hand misleading about the president’s empirical prospects — the larger strategic premise is flawed. Advisers to the president’s nascent reelection campaign keep talking about where they are today versus four years ago. Worse off, they acknowledge. But then they start criticizing the Republicans for not being where the Democrats were four years ago. It’s as if they think they (and even Republicans) are going to succeed by going back to the future.

All this logic is terribly flawed. Here’s why. The contest four years ago was for an open seat. Open-seat races are about all comers and both parties. The 2012 election will be a reelection contest. It will focus narrowly on the incumbent. Has Barack Obama handled the presidency well enough to deserve reelection? Virtually all incumbents, and even a few challengers, appear to resent this one-sided nature of reelection contests. But resentment doesn’t alter the reality......

There’s an even more practical reason that Republicans cannot be goaded onto the playing field too early: money. To run a proper presidential campaign, even with a skeletal, pared-down organization, will cost at least $50,000 a day. I didn’t say a week. I said 50 grand every day, seven days a week. Multiply that goal times eight or nine candidates and you are chewing through more than $50 million just in the next six months. There’s simply not enough in the pockets of the Republican faithful to bankroll that kind of spending. Hold off.

The question about deserving reelection is not asked often enough by the public pollsters. The last time The Hill reported Obama’s results, in December, only 42 percent said he’s worth another term. That’s far more telling than Obama’s double-digit lead over Newt Gingrich or Sarah Palin in someone’s PowerPoint presentation.


http://thehill.com/opinion/columnists/david-hill/149759-2012-will-be-about-obama

[Soul Crusher]

Inflation, Gas Prices, Jobs, Foreign Policy Disasters, Party Animal persona, he's done.   

[MCWAY]

Inflation, Gas Prices, Jobs, Foreign Policy Disasters, Party Animal persona, he's done.   

He's basically lost the white voters and the independents. It now boils down to how much of the Hispanic and black voters hit the ballot box, along with the gays.

But, if the Hispanics and blacks show up in reduced numbers, he's TOAST!!!

[Soul Crusher]

He's basically lost the white voters and the independents. It now boils down to how much of the Hispanic and black voters hit the ballot box, along with the gays.

But, if the Hispanics and blacks show up in reduced numbers, he's TOAST!!!

Why would anyone show up to vote for him other than welfare leeches, govt wokers, and cronies in bed with his admn?

[MCWAY]

Why would anyone show up to vote for him other than welfare leeches, govt wokers, and cronies in bed with his admn?

You forgot the youth voters. Although given their reduced ability to get jobs, don't be surprised if their number DROP in 2012 at the polls.

[Soul Crusher]

You forgot the youth voters. Although given their reduced ability to get jobs, don't be surprised if their number DROP in 2012 at the polls.

Not going to work this time around in same numbers. 

I can imagine 18-22 y/o saying "wait a minute, he promised the same shit 4 years ago to young people and they are not even able to get waiter jobs.   Fuck that!"   

[Straw Man]

If Republicans want any chance of winning or even making it a race they need to stop talking about abortion and gay marriage and start talking about jobs, the economy, etc...

[Soul Crusher]

If Republicans want any chance of winning or even making it a race they need to stop talking about abortion and gay marriage and start talking about jobs, the economy, etc...

The only ones screaming about gay marraige is the left. 

[MCWAY]

If Republicans want any chance of winning or even making it a race they need to stop talking about abortion and gay marriage and start talking about jobs, the economy, etc...

They can do BOTH the social and economic issues. It's hardly an either/or situation. It worked for Bush in 2004. Besides, it was Obama who brought this mess up by floundering on his duty to defend DOMA.

Plus, from a tactical point, it's an inroads to Latino voters.

Hispanic Evangelicals Urge Congress to Defend DOMA


Two of the largest evangelical organizations in the nation have urged House Speaker John Boehner (R-Oh.) and Congress to oppose President Barack Obama’s decision not to defend legally the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA).

Rev. Samuel Rodríguez, President of The National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference (NHCLC), also known as the Hispanic National Association of Evangelicals and the largest Hispanic Christian organization, said that “traditional marriage is the #1 antidote against the social ills – drugs, teen pregnancy and high school drop-out rate – that plague races of color.

“We applaud Speaker Boehner’s action to build a legal case defending DOMA,” Rev. Rodríguez said.

The organization that Rev. Rodríguez presides acted jointly with the Freedom Federation, the nation’s largest evangelical faith-based organization, in urging Congress to oppose President Obama’s recent DOMA directive.

A statement from the two organizations explained that last week Attorney General Eric Holder stated that the President had “instructed” the Justice Department to no longer defend the constitutionality of DOMA in federal courts.

“I whole heartedly disagree with President Obama’s DOMA directive,” Rev. Rodríguez said. “In light of the fact that Congress passed this law, today, we call on Congress to step in and defend the law as Constitutional and act on behalf of the American people.”

Matthew Staver, Dean and Professor of Law at Liberty University and Director of Liberty Center for Law And Policy, agreed.

“Traditional marriage is the cornerstone of America. Redefining marriage is not in the best interest of the family unit. Abandoning the Defense of Marriage Act is tantamount to declaring war on the family,” Staver said. “The more than 40 million people represented by the organizations that comprise the Freedom Federation call on Congress to act now to defend natural marriage between one man and one woman.”

He added: “We stand with the NHCLC and applaud House Speaker John Boehner and the Members of Congress for stepping up to the plate to defend marriage and the federal Defense of Marriage Act”.


http://theamericano.com/2011/03/10/hispanic-evangelicals-urge-congress-defend-doma/

[Soul Crusher]

The way things are going - I'm not kidding - I'm not even sure if obama makes it that far. 

What does he plan on doing in a second term?

[Straw Man]

The only ones screaming about gay marraige is the left. 

The speakers at CPAC talked about virtually nothing except so called "social issues"

Mitch Daniels (the only Repub I would even consider voting for at the moment) has called for a truce on social issues, I think because he knows that Repubs will never draw in Dems and Independents if they don't offer some solutions to our larger problems

[Straw Man]

The way things are going - I'm not kidding - I'm not even sure if obama makes it that far. 

What does he plan on doing in a second term?

are you fucking kidding me ?

the second term is when he "collapses" the nation

hasn't that been the plan you've been ranting about for 2 years now?

[Soul Crusher]

are you fucking kidding me ?

the second term is when he "collapses" the nation

hasn't that been the plan you've been ranting about for 2 years now?

Yes, but with a GOP congress able to block everything major he wants, I think he prefers to just check out and make $$$$ at this point. 

He seems to not even want the job anymore. 

[Kazan]

If Republicans want any chance of winning or even making it a race they need to stop talking about abortion and gay marriage and start talking about jobs, the economy, etc...

Hell has frozen over, I actually agree with this Anyone in the Federal Government needs to STFU about social issues and let the states deal with that shit.

[MCWAY]

Hell has frozen over, I actually agree with this Anyone in the Federal Government needs to STFU about social issues and let the states deal with that shit.

But, there's a federal law that affects the states, when it comes to marriage. It GUARANTEES that, if YOU vote that marriage is a union between a man and a woman in your state, the kooks in Mass. don't get to change that, because they want to appease homosexuals.

And, without federal funding, kiss Planned Parenthood goodbye.

[Straw Man]

Yes, but with a GOP congress able to block everything major he wants, I think he prefers to just check out and make $$$$ at this point. 

He seems to not even want the job anymore. 

I think you're confusing him with Palin

You're fucking delusional (which we know you are) if you think Obama is not going to run in 2012

[Soul Crusher]

Very simple:  are you better off than you were 4 years ago?  

[MCWAY]

The speakers at CPAC talked about virtually nothing except so called "social issues"

Mitch Daniels (the only Repub I would even consider voting for at the moment) has called for a truce on social issues, I think because he knows that Repubs will never draw in Dems and Independents if they don't offer some solutions to our larger problems

They ain't going to draw in Dems (excluding a handful, here and there) and Independents are fleeing Obama in droves.

[Soul Crusher]

I think you're confusing him with Palin

You're fucking delusional (which we know you are) if you think Obama is not going to run in 2012

He seems to not really give a rats ass about anything.  Seriously, he gives the same standard blah blah blah no matter what the issue, partying like there is no tommorow, is distracting himself with meaningless issues, and otherwise is just seeming to check out.     

[Soul Crusher]

Ok - so Bama gets a second term - what next? 

Answer?  Nothing.


 

[SAMSON123]

He's basically lost the white voters and the independents. It now boils down to how much of the Hispanic and black voters hit the ballot box, along with the gays.

But, if the Hispanics and blacks show up in reduced numbers, he's TOAST!!!

Hhahahaah...dude. He is doing the will of his handlers and as long as he does that, he is sure to be re-elected. Obama 2012!!!!

[MCWAY]

Hhahahaah...dude. He is doing the will of his handlers and as long as he does that, he is sure to be re-elected. Obama 2012!!!!

Carter did the will of ihs handlers, too.

[Kazan]

But, there's a federal law that affects the states, when it comes to marriage. It GUARANTEES that, if YOU vote that marriage is a union between a man and a woman in your state, the kooks in Mass. don't get to change that, because they want to appease homosexuals.

And, without federal funding, kiss Planned Parenthood goodbye.

Well my question is why is there a federal law about marriage in the first place, the federal government should not be involved. Scope creep is the biggest problem right now, if the federal government was doing what it is supposed to constitutionally we wouldn't be in this mess.

Fuck planned fetus genocide, and as far a homo's go, let the voters in the state decide, without some jerk off judge stepping in and pushing an agenda.

[Soul Crusher]

The only possible thing i see bama doing with a second term is packing the court with two more freaks on the SC.    Other than that, what will he possibly do? 

Deficit reduction?  He already deep 6'ed his own deficit commission plan. 

Cap & Trade ?  DOA 

Jobs?  Maybe if the private sector comes back cuz they realize he is done. 

Health Care?   LOL.  enough said.   

Foreign Policy?   LOL.   

[MCWAY]

Well my question is why is there a federal law about marriage in the first place, the federal government should not be involved. Scope creep is the biggest problem right now, if the federal government was doing what it is supposed to constitutionally we wouldn't be in this mess.

Fuck planned fetus genocide, and as far a homo's go, let the voters in the state decide, without some jerk off judge stepping in and pushing an agenda.

Again, it's to keep the goofs in Mass. from defining marriage for other states like my home (Florida). This is why Mitt Romney, when he was governor of Mass., enforced a state law that kept out-of-state homosexuals from getting marriage licenses in Mass. and returning to their states, demanding that their licenses be validated.