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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #26 on: March 18, 2011, 07:13:34 AM »
..Government attack on Libya's Misrata kills 25: doctor

By Tarek Amara, writing by Silvia Aloisi | Reuters – 21 minutes ago
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EmailPrint......TUNIS (Reuters) - Twenty-five people, including several children, were killed during heavy bombardments by forces loyal to Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi on the western city of Misrata on Friday, a doctor in the city told Reuters.

The doctor and another resident said government tanks were still shelling the city, despite an earlier claim by rebels that the attack had been defeated.

"Gaddafi's forces are bombing the city with artillery shells and tanks. We now have 25 people dead at the hospital, including several little girls," the doctor said by satellite phone.

(Reporting by Tarek Amara, writing by Silvia Aloisi)
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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #27 on: March 18, 2011, 08:02:55 AM »
Inside classified Hill briefing, administration spells out war plan for Libya
Posted By Josh Rogin  Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 8:11 PM   Share



Several administration officials held a classified briefing for all senators on Thursday afternoon in the bowels of the Capitol building, leaving lawmakers convinced President Barack Obama is ready to attack Libya but wondering if it isn't too late to help the rebels there.

Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs Bill Burns led the briefing and was accompanied by Alan Pino, National Intelligence Officer for the Near East, Gen. John Landry, National Intelligence Officer for Military Issues, Nate Tuchrello, National Intelligence Manager for Near East, Rear Adm. Michael Rogers, Director of Intelligence for the Joint Chiefs of Staff and Rear Admiral Kurt Tidd, Vice Director of Operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Several senators emerged from the briefing convinced that the administration was intent on beginning military action against the forces of Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi within the next few days and that such action would include both a no-fly zone as well as a "no-drive zone" to prevent Qaddafi from crushing the rebel forces, especially those now concentrated in Benghazi.

"It looks like we have Arab countries ready to participate in a no-fly and no-drive endeavor," Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) told reporters after the briefing.

Asked what he learned from the briefing, Graham said, "I learned that it's not too late, that the opposition forces are under siege but they are holding, and that with a timely intervention, a no-fly zone and no-drive zone, we can turn this thing around."

Asked exactly what the first wave of attacks would look like, Graham said, "We ground his aircraft and some tanks start getting blown up that are headed toward the opposition forces."

As for when the attacks would start, he said "We're talking days, not weeks, and I'm hoping hours, not days," adding that he was told the U.N. Security Council resolution would be crafted to give the international community the authority to be "outcome determinant" and "do whatever's necessary."

The Security Council adopted the resolution on Thursday evening by a vote of 10-0 with 5 abstentions.

Sen. Mark Kirk (R-IL) told reporters that he expected the military operations to be run out of Sicily, where NATO Base Sigonella and U.S. Naval Air Station Sigonella are located.

"I know we have naval assets that are some distance away, so this would have to be U.S. Air Force Europe that would have the majority load for the time being, if the order is given," said Kirk.

Inside the briefing, several senators asked questions about how quickly the no-fly zone could be implemented, whether that was enough to stop Qaddafi's forces, what other military options might be used, and whether the administration had waited too long to act.

"There were concerns about the protection of civilians and one of those concerns was, is it too late," one Senate staffer who was in the meeting told The Cable.

Both Graham and Kirk said that they believed it was not too late, but that the success of the mission depended on super-quick implementation.

"It seems that the administration is moving and now the only question is time," said Kirk. "A lot still depends on the rebels at the very least holding Benghazi. If they do, there may be time for the international political system to respond. If they collapse quickly, no."

Graham and Kirk both said that they had thrown their support behind Obama's new Libya policy.
"I want to take back criticism I gave to them yesterday and say, ‘you are doing the right thing,'" said Graham. "My money is on the American Air Force, the American Navy, and our allies to contain the Libyans, and anybody on our side that says we can't contain the Libyan air threat -- I want them fired."

But Obama lost longtime supporter Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) who said in Thursday morning's hearing with Burns that any military intervention in Libya should require a formal declaration of war by the U.S. Congress.

Lugar also opposes military intervention in Libya on the grounds that the nation can't afford it at a time of deep fiscal debt and called on Obama to explain why attacking Libya is in America's national interest. The humanitarian argument just isn't enough, he said.

"We would not like to stand by and see people being shot, but the same argument could be made in Bahrain at present and perhaps in Yemen, so if you have a civil war it's very likely people are going to be out for each other," Lugar told The Cable in an interview. "This debate cannot be totally divorced from the realities of what are the contending issues right here and now."

But Graham responded to Lugar's caution in an interview with The Cable, saying that the risk of doing nothing and allowing Qaddafi to remain in power after Obama said "he must go" is far greater than that of getting involved militarily.

"They have my authorization. You can't have 535 commander in chiefs," Graham said. "I would like to have a vote in the floor when we get back saying they did the right thing. But that shouldn't restrict the president from taking timely action."

At Thursday morning's hearing before the Senate Armed Services Committee, Air Force Chief of Staff Norton Schwartz said that Qaddafi's forces had reestablished control over large swaths of territory and that the Libyan leader had tens of planes and hundreds of helicopters in use.

He called the plan to impose a no-fly zone in a few days "overly optimistic" and said "it would take upwards of a week."

Schwartz was also clear that while the U.S. military can impose a no-fly zone, that's not likely to stop Qaddafi all by itself. He also noted that to do so effectively might require diverting some resources from the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan.

"The question is, is a no-fly zone the last step or is it the first step?" Schwartz said.
Asked by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) whether a no-fly zone could turn the momentum, Scwartz replied, "A no-fly zone, sir, would not be sufficient."


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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #28 on: March 18, 2011, 08:07:13 AM »
Lets see if thosewho trashed bush over iraq will respond in like kind to this.   

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #29 on: March 18, 2011, 10:07:09 AM »

The Inside Story Of How Obama Turned On A Dime and Decided To Intervene in Libya
John Ellis | Mar. 18, 2011, 12:57 PM | 116 |  1
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On Monday, it appeared that there was no way the United States would "intervene" in the uprising against Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi. 

After what was described as a "contentious" meeting of his national security advisors on Tuesday night, the Obama Administration decided to do just that.  Foreign Policy magazine's blog, The Cable, has the back story:

The key decision was made by President Barack Obama himself at a Tuesday evening senior-level meeting at the White House, which was described by two administration officials as "extremely contentious." Inside that meeting, officials presented arguments both for and against attacking Libya. Obama ultimately sided with the interventionists. His overall thinking was described to a group of experts who had been called to the White House to discuss the crisis in Libya only days earlier.

"This is the greatest opportunity to realign our interests and our values," a senior administration official said at the meeting, telling the experts this sentence came from Obama himself. The president was referring to the broader change going on in the Middle East and the need to rebalance U.S. foreign policy toward a greater focus on democracy and human rights.

But Obama's stance in Libya differs significantly from his strategy regarding the other Arab revolutions. In Egypt and Tunisia, Obama chose to rebalance the American stance gradually backing away from support for President Hosni Mubarak and Zine el-Abidine Ben Ali and allowing the popular movements to run their course. In Yemen and Bahrain, where the uprisings have turned violent, Obama has not even uttered a word in support of armed intervention - instead pressing those regimes to embrace reform on their own. But in deciding to attack Libya, Obama has charted an entirely new strategy, relying on U.S. hard power and the use of force to influence the outcome of Arab events.

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #30 on: March 18, 2011, 10:09:46 AM »
Lets see if thosewho trashed bush over iraq will respond in like kind to this.   

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #31 on: March 18, 2011, 10:27:55 AM »
Good article.

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The Secret To Toppling Qaddafi Is Moral Assistance, Not Military Aid
Niall Ferguson, The Daily Beast | Mar. 14, 2011, 3:24 PM | 896 |  13




Mr. President, don't send guns to the Libyans. Send them a piece of paper. In this week's Newsweek, Niall Ferguson has a message for Obama—take advice from President Gerald Ford. Yes, President Ford.

President Obama is reluctant to intervene in the bloody civil war now under way in Libya. As a senior aide told The New York Times last week, "He keeps reminding us that the best revolutions are completely organic." I like that notion of organic revolutions—guaranteed no foreign additives, exclusive to Whole Foods. I like it because, like so much about this administration, it is both trendy and ignorant.

Was the American Revolution "completely organic"? Funny, I could have sworn those were French ships off Yorktown. What about Britain's Glorious Revolution, the one that established parliamentary rule? Strange, I had this crazy idea that William III was a Dutchman.

The reality is that very few revolutions, good or bad, succeed without some foreign assistance. Lenin had German money; Mao had Soviet arms. Revolutions that don't get some help from outside aren't so much inorganic as unsuccessful. Indeed, they generally don't go down in history as revolutions at all. More than one revolt has been brutally crushed by an Arab dictator—think of the Marsh Arabs' fate at the hands of Saddam Hussein. Such events tend to be remembered as massacres. We must hope that someone gives President Obama a history lesson before thousands of Libyans share their fate. It will be tragic indeed if America concludes from the experience of overthrowing murderous tyrannies in Afghanistan and Iraq that the correct policy is to turn a blind eye to murder in Libya. That, remember, was the policy pursued by the last Democrat to occupy the White House, in Rwanda as well as, for much too long, in Bosnia.

Yet it would also be an erroneous conclusion that the only form of assistance America can give to good revolutions is military. A no-fly zone was not, after all, what helped the Central and Eastern European revolutionaries of 1989 topple their tyrants. The assistance we gave them was not military. It was moral.

One of the many unsung achievements of President Gerald Ford, the Helsinki Final Act of 1975, was history's biggest-ever poison pill. The document was the result of two years of haggling at the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, originally a Soviet initiative to deal with security issues, but one that veered unexpectedly to address issues of human rights.

Eight of the 35 countries that signed the Final Act were communist. Yet it contained the following startling words:

The participating States will respect human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief, for all without distinction as to race, sex, language or religion… The participating States will respect the equal rights of peoples and their right to self-determination.

So accustomed were the Soviet authorities to lying that they saw no harm in subscribing to these pledges. Indeed, the Final Act was reprinted in full in Pravda. But for dissidents inside the Soviet Bloc like the physicist Andrei Sakharov or the Czech playwright Václav Havel, Helsinki represented a huge stick with which to beat their persecutors.

The Cold War ended not because the United States achieved a military edge over the Soviet Union, but because the legitimacy of the Soviet system collapsed from within. Our role was to insist on the importance of those "human rights and fundamental freedoms." Even if not all our allies in the Cold War always upheld them, the other side respected them less.

Why have we failed to learn from that success? Why have we allowed a mockery to be made of the United Nations Human Rights Council, which numbered Libya among its members until just the other day and still includes Saudi Arabia, not to mention China and Cuba?

Memo to the president: Organic revolutions, just like your Whole Foods arugula, need sunlight and watering. It's time for a new Helsinki, aimed at discrediting all of today's unfree states, starting with the four I've just named.

This post originally appeared at The Daily Beast.

Niall Ferguson is a professor of history at Harvard University and a professor of business administration at Harvard Business School. He is also a senior research fellow at Jesus College, Oxford University, and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution, Stanford University. His latest book, The Ascent of Money: A Financial History of the World, was published in November.

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #32 on: March 18, 2011, 10:59:22 AM »
civil war in Lybia is very bad for oil prices.

However, for your emotional side, it's just great.

So funny how everyone gives a shit about human rights.  Should we invade darfur too?

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #33 on: March 18, 2011, 11:03:59 AM »
civil war in Lybia is very bad for oil prices.

However, for your emotional side, it's just great.

So funny how everyone gives a shit about human rights.  Should we invade darfur too?

The Muslim-dominated UN was too busy playing deaf, blind and dumb to do anything about the genocide of hundreds of thousands of Darfurians carried out by Muslims.

Iran's a good example. Twice now the UN and the rest of the world has thrown the Iranian people under the bus.

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #34 on: March 18, 2011, 11:18:34 AM »
The Muslim-dominated UN was too busy playing deaf, blind and dumb to do anything about the genocide of hundreds of thousands of Darfurians carried out by Muslims.

Iran's a good example. Twice now the UN and the rest of the world has thrown the Iranian people under the bus.

it may sound rough, but I'm not that concerned about the iranian or libyan people.  I don't think US $ or troops sohuld be spent fixing their mess over our own cities.  Particularly when many of the groups seeking power have ties to al-Q already.

Better to put up with a dictator that'll play ball and sell oil to us, than some new group who is just going to kick as much local ass as the last guy.  Hell, we tolerated Saddam for decades - until he decided to drop the $USD.

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #35 on: March 18, 2011, 11:23:04 AM »
it may sound rough, but I'm not that concerned about the iranian or libyan people.  I don't think US $ or troops sohuld be spent fixing their mess over our own cities.  Particularly when many of the groups seeking power have ties to al-Q already.

Better to put up with a dictator that'll play ball and sell oil to us, than some new group who is just going to kick as much local ass as the last guy.  Hell, we tolerated Saddam for decades - until he decided to drop the $USD.

So are you ready to trash bama now for this flip flop?

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #36 on: March 18, 2011, 11:28:03 AM »
So are you ready to trash bama now for this flip flop?

Sure.  he got in bed with the chickenhawk war-happy mofo's.

He should have kept kadaffi in power...

And let's be honest- people are only in support of a revolution when they agree with the revolters.  if 10,000 libs decided to pick up guns and kick President Christie out of office in 2013, most getbiggers would be fine with them being machine-gunned down and hung for treason, right?

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #37 on: March 18, 2011, 11:38:29 AM »
it may sound rough, but I'm not that concerned about the iranian or libyan people.  I don't think US $ or troops sohuld be spent fixing their mess over our own cities.  Particularly when many of the groups seeking power have ties to al-Q already.

Better to put up with a dictator that'll play ball and sell oil to us, than some new group who is just going to kick as much local ass as the last guy.  Hell, we tolerated Saddam for decades - until he decided to drop the $USD.

I haven't once advocated for this No-Fly Zone.

Shut the fuck up with that dropping the USD shit. It's as retarded as your oil argument.

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #38 on: March 18, 2011, 11:49:28 AM »
We can't do a fucking thing right now, our aircraft carriers that were in the Mediterranean are helping in Japan ( Contrary to the Cro Magnon's opinion). Guess someone else is going to have to enforce it.
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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #39 on: March 18, 2011, 11:51:37 AM »
We can't do a fucking thing right now, our aircraft carriers that were in the Mediterranean are helping in Japan ( Contrary to the Cro Magnon's opinion). Guess someone else is going to have to enforce it.

The English negotiated the release of the Lockerbie bomber for oil. They should enforce it by themselves. After all, all they're concerned about is the oil.

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #40 on: March 18, 2011, 12:50:47 PM »
civil war in Lybia is very bad for oil prices.

However, for your emotional side, it's just great.

So funny how everyone gives a shit about human rights.  Should we invade darfur too?

Libya does absolutely nothing for oil prices in America. In fact, they churn out about 2% of the worlds supply and much of it is sweet crude; which is high end stuff that most of the world does not consume anyway. The Saudi's could pick up the slack without blinking an eye.

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #41 on: March 18, 2011, 02:00:13 PM »
I saw something on the news about oil jumping from 90 to 107 in the 2 weeks from Feb 14 on, when libya mess started.

Even if their oil is negligable, it may sound dickish, but I don't think any USA lives or $ should be spent rescuing their people from their leader.  That manpower could be used defending our border or helping rebuild crumbling US infrastructure.  We've been in a civil was in iraq for the last few years, and it's practically collapsed our economy.

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #42 on: March 18, 2011, 02:04:55 PM »
I saw something on the news about oil jumping from 90 to 107 in the 2 weeks from Feb 14 on, when libya mess started.

Even if their oil is negligable, it may sound dickish, but I don't think any USA lives or $ should be spent rescuing their people from their leader.  That manpower could be used defending our border or helping rebuild crumbling US infrastructure.  We've been in a civil was in iraq for the last few years, and it's practically collapsed our economy.

Thats because America doesn't fight wars anymore, the last war we fought was WWII. Now we just fuck around and try to nation build.

A better question is why is the US sending amphibious assault ships to the area? Can't enforce a no fly zone with Helo's now can you? Seems to me there is atleast some though of putting troops on the ground, even though the POTUS denies it. Actions speak louder than words
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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #43 on: March 18, 2011, 02:08:58 PM »
Thats because America doesn't fight wars anymore, the last war we fought was WWII. Now we just fuck around and try to nation build.

I don't think we should.

Lots of dems and repubs want to stick their nose into Libya.  Sure, it's fuccked up, but so are most things in life.  He could have lit up that one city, all the rebels give up, and it's back to usual.

NOW?  Now it'll be a long, drawn out civil war as punks from all over the region will walk up to Libya for a chance to take a potshot at a US or UK soldier, and the rebels will just smirk as our guys fall.

Fuck them.  Fuck em.  Let them deal with their own country's affairs.  We are on the verge of collapse here... we don't have a damn red cent to spend protecting people on other side of the world - I'd say we let $100-mil man Mccain fund this war with his own dollars - not our grandchildren's tax dollars.

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« Reply #44 on: March 18, 2011, 02:14:15 PM »
I don't think we should.

Lots of dems and repubs want to stick their nose into Libya.  Sure, it's fuccked up, but so are most things in life.  He could have lit up that one city, all the rebels give up, and it's back to usual.

NOW?  Now it'll be a long, drawn out civil war as punks from all over the region will walk up to Libya for a chance to take a potshot at a US or UK soldier, and the rebels will just smirk as our guys fall.

Fuck them.  Fuck em.  Let them deal with their own country's affairs.  We are on the verge of collapse here... we don't have a damn red cent to spend protecting people on other side of the world - I'd say we let $100-mil man Mccain fund this war with his own dollars - not our grandchildren's tax dollars.

Don't get me wrong, the people of the ME aren't worth or time, effort, or $. In 10 years they will still hate America. So exactly fuck 'em, they want democracy ::) let them handle it.
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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #45 on: March 18, 2011, 04:16:07 PM »
What this all boils down to is that 240 is a whiny liberal bitch who should be tarred and feathered and then waterboarded with 100 proof vodka until he admits he is an islamocommunist agent for the American left.

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #46 on: March 18, 2011, 04:37:16 PM »
Libya does absolutely nothing for oil prices in America. In fact, they churn out about 2% of the worlds supply and much of it is sweet crude; which is high end stuff that most of the world does not consume anyway. The Saudi's could pick up the slack without blinking an eye.

We don't even get our oil from them but what goes on there does in fact increase our gas prices as evidence by the huge jump when things started getting messy there.  Oil futures speculation, whether our oil is involved or not, directly effects our prices.  England and France do get oil from Libya and guess who's been putting most of the pressure on us to do something?  You don't get three guesses :)

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #47 on: March 18, 2011, 07:30:08 PM »
I wonder if the nobel committee wants its prize back?    Lol.   

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #48 on: March 18, 2011, 07:42:44 PM »
We don't even get our oil from them but what goes on there does in fact increase our gas prices as evidence by the huge jump when things started getting messy there.  Oil futures speculation, whether our oil is involved or not, directly effects our prices.  England and France do get oil from Libya and guess who's been putting most of the pressure on us to do something?  You don't get three guesses :)

Correct, but you are wrong about the effect on oil prices. US policy is what keeps oil prices high, not what happens in Libya. The left wings nightmare initiative to force Americans to use mass transit and windmills is a huge reason. Another huge reason is the fact that the Osama administration owns GM which wants to push horseshit electric cars-- the Chevy volt among others. Another reason is monetary policy and the federal reserves insistence on inflating the value of the dollar; this increases the price of everything across the board-- especially food prices. The increase in food prices here leads to increases overseas, which led to the massive unrest now happening in the middle east+ the Qaddafi situation-- and that in turn is what now affects oil prices to some degree because of the sweet crude that is in Libya. The speculators play a negligible role at best.

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Re: UN imposes No-Fly Zone over Libya
« Reply #49 on: March 19, 2011, 07:25:34 AM »
Here comes a shocker. The WSJ is saying that the Euros and Arabs aren’t anywhere near capable of enforcing the NFZ without us doing the bulk of the work and that this entire thing is on the verge of falling flat on its face because we’re looking for someone else to lead the charge for once. Didn’t see that coming!  ::)

Qaddafi's tanks just rolled into Benghazi, too. This rebellion is all but done, anyway.