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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2011, 06:18:59 PM »


  Well, cattle don't have the benefit of Human medicine. What do you think would have happened to Tom Prince, Flex Wheeler and Don Long if it weren't for medical science?

  Why should I respect a 15 year-old kid with a copy "The Steroid Bible" and "Anabolic Review"? If anything, the one who deserves respect is me, who is an overal god and not just a god of this or that.

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #26 on: March 19, 2011, 06:36:23 PM »
I know cause of all those bodybuilders that die after 5 years of tren usage  ::)

Also, show some fucking respect to god of hormone, fucker.  >:(
SMM did say the cattle live 15 naturally, so if you adjust for cow years...

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #27 on: March 19, 2011, 06:51:52 PM »
the most important thing for growth are as follow:

1. solid and consistant increae of SYNTETIC GROWTH HORMONE in the blood,,try to take 5 iu for sometime,,then jump to 8 iu ...see what happen to you ,,,take 3 iu in one inject then after 4 months start taking 4.5 iu in one inject....see what happen to you....you will get LEANER YOU WILL GET LARGER and it will happen FAST,,you will be walkin lean and large and 3 dimentional

2. with the gh you will have to have trenbolona and testosterona at the right ratio paraleling to the hgh dose you take FOR EXAMPLE,,, take trenbolona ace and insted of 100mg every 2 day start taking it 120mg every day along with the increase in the gh.... do the same with masterona and see what happen to your physiqona


those 2 are the most important rules in getting truly large in lean as in over 200lb and into the mid singles


diuretic is also something you will HAVE to use so the water will not disturbe to see the lines clearly so mr wanna be bodybuild local town dealer wont see you and say you are 9% when in reality you been 6-7% for quite some time


thats it ,,this is the secret of bodybuild,,anyone of those losers from marcus from spain to getny from whereveer they all try to pass bodybuild for not what it is to make few bucks on your because they failed in their bodybuilding careers that they really never had,,they are local dealer and their mission is one! to make money on your sorry asses,,

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #28 on: March 19, 2011, 08:12:37 PM »
1. Food
2. Genetics

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #29 on: March 19, 2011, 08:33:42 PM »
strength = tendons

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2011, 12:02:28 AM »
I agree with the training part only to a point.

Now, for the eating part...i find it silly.

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2011, 12:05:04 AM »
vince gironda and arthur jones ever debate?

Id love that?!

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #32 on: March 20, 2011, 03:44:29 AM »
 Paul Dillet was an amazing freak who responded fantastically to steroids. Also, you are making a mistake. Dillet did not have a lot of muscle, except on his quads and arms. His back was extremely weak as well as his pecs. His pecs looked huge because of the big varicose veins in it, but they were tiny! What bodyparts Dillet had that were huge? His arms, delts and quads! And surprise, surprise, those were the bodyparts he trained really heavy. He would do leg presses with over 1,200 lbs and he would do very heavy barbell curls. The bodyparts he didn't train heavy, like his pecs and back, were tiny for his size. So my theory holds true.

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Looks to me like Dillet had huge legs (quads, hams and calves) as well as huge arms, delts, traps and midsection.  While his chest wasn't the biggest, it certainly wasn't small (a'la Phil Health).  His back was small and that was his biggest weakness, but to claim that only his quads and arms had a lot of muscle, might be an understatement.





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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #33 on: March 20, 2011, 04:19:12 AM »
Good post SMM

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #34 on: March 20, 2011, 05:10:42 AM »
dillet was an unbelievable freak.

also by the way, though I've said this before, while "strength" is important for muscle growth, strength != weight on the bar.

As god says, what's important is stimulating the muscle.  If you focus on finding a weight, rep/set scheme, split, etc. that stimulates the muscle the best, you will be much better off than if you simply try to slap weight on the bar constantly.

Focus on good stimulation of all the fibers, and you will be much more successful (and suffer far fewer injuries) than someone who can't sleep unless they got more reps/weight than their last session a la DC.  Will you add weight to the bar over time?  Sure.  But there's no reason to fixate on this one element of lifting.

Design your program with the goal of stimulating the muscle, not with the goal of adding weight to the bar.

If there's any component of muscle growth that is overlooked in the bodybuilding world, it's the role of hormones, not the role of progressive overload.  Progressive overload is preached in every magazine, every forum, and every gym worldwide.  No one talks about hormones except in shady backwater forums and dimly lit side rooms.  If only for the reason that they are the most overlooked aspect of bodybuilding, hormones should be considered the most important.

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #35 on: March 20, 2011, 05:17:39 AM »
Also, re dillet's lifting achievements... 1,200 lbs on leg press isn't even that much.  There are guys with stick legs at every gym doing 1000 lb leg presses.  Ronnie did 2300 pounds for something like 8 reps.  Surely, his quads should have been substantially bigger than dillet's?

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #36 on: March 20, 2011, 05:43:31 AM »
Good post c, and how exactly do you stimulate the muscle? I'll give you a little hint man: Training til failure 8)

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #37 on: March 20, 2011, 08:53:17 AM »
Also, re dillet's lifting achievements... 1,200 lbs on leg press isn't even that much.  There are guys with stick legs at every gym doing 1000 lb leg presses.  Ronnie did 2300 pounds for something 8 reps.  Surely, his quads should have been substantially bigger than dillet's?

  Of course they were. Much larger. It's just that Dillet is taller with a larger frame, so it gives the impression he has more muscle. But the cross-sectional area of muscle on Ronnie's quads surpassed Dillet's by a mile. It had to, since Ronnie moved a lot more weight.

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2011, 10:05:39 AM »
 Paul Dillet was an amazing freak who responded fantastically to steroids. Also, you are making a mistake. Dillet did not have a lot of muscle, except on his quads and arms. His back was extremely weak as well as his pecs. His pecs looked huge because of the big varicose veins in it, but they were tiny! What bodyparts Dillet had that were huge? His arms, delts and quads! And surprise, surprise, those were the bodyparts he trained really heavy. He would do leg presses with over 1,200 lbs and he would do very heavy barbell curls. The bodyparts he didn't train heavy, like his pecs and back, were tiny for his size. So my theory holds true.

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #39 on: March 20, 2011, 12:25:30 PM »
You have to get stronger in order to get bigger. But when I say stronger I don't mean 1rm., I mean 8-12 rm. If you are incline benching 185 for 10 and manage take that to 315 for 10. I guarntee you , your chest/delts/tri's will look very fucking different. I love how people compare powerlifters to bodybuilders and say that strength is irrelevant. First of all powerlifters carry a good amount of muscle on them, but on average they are not as muscular as the BB'ers. Powerlifter strength is very specific to the big 3 movemnts, technique/ROM play a huge role. Compare bodybuilders to proffessional strong men. Those guys take drugs just like BB'ers and they are enormous and have a high level of  muscle development. Because they train for reps and get stronger over time. They also have to be strong at everything, not just three lifts, so they end up with a more even development.  

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #40 on: March 20, 2011, 01:58:45 PM »
I agree with the OP 100% on the aspect of increasing strength for muscle growth,... the rest just up to a point.

The only way to gain muscular size is to get progressively stronger/train with greater loads with good form..whether be weight or reps, but its all about progression.

And the point about the weighlifter vs bodybuilder is not accurate because of two things:
- The bb got bigger because he got stronger with good form, it doesn't matter if he is weaker than the weightlifter, his strenght/size is only comparable to himself not others.
- The powerlifter/weighlifter lifts without any concern with form or stimulating the muscle, he just cares with lifting the weight from point a to point b...but the bb actually knows how to lift and does so while putting all stress on the target muscle....but still he'll get bigger when he gets stronger in good form.

I'm pretty sure that almost no one will grow if he just plays around with the same exact weights for years and years. It happened to me.

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #41 on: March 20, 2011, 02:36:16 PM »
Huge weights are key. Hormones make it possible. Only a very small percentage of juicers can get big without huge weights. And even those guys CAN lift huge weights when they want to. A big muscle is a strong muscle. So if your not strong you can't expect to big, and you better focus on getting strong before you even think about being big.

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #42 on: March 20, 2011, 02:45:24 PM »
This is surely a joke?  For someone with an IQ of 162+, you're shocking us with your extremely simplistic non-logical comparison of Ronnie's and Dillet's strength and muscle mass.

This place is like the fucking flat earth society, man. Don't get sucked in bro, you wouldn't believe the migraines this place gives me.  :-\

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #43 on: March 20, 2011, 04:36:30 PM »
This place is like the fucking flat earth society, man. Don't get sucked in bro, you wouldn't believe the migraines this place gives me.  :-\

 I constantly have to remind my self I come here for entertainment

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2011, 09:41:08 AM »
dillet was an unbelievable freak.

also by the way, though I've said this before, while "strength" is important for muscle growth, strength != weight on the bar.

As god says, what's important is stimulating the muscle.  If you focus on finding a weight, rep/set scheme, split, etc. that stimulates the muscle the best, you will be much better off than if you simply try to slap weight on the bar constantly.

Focus on good stimulation of all the fibers, and you will be much more successful (and suffer far fewer injuries) than someone who can't sleep unless they got more reps/weight than their last session a la DC.  Will you add weight to the bar over time?  Sure.  But there's no reason to fixate on this one element of lifting.

Design your program with the goal of stimulating the muscle, not with the goal of adding weight to the bar.

If there's any component of muscle growth that is overlooked in the bodybuilding world, it's the role of hormones, not the role of progressive overload.  Progressive overload is preached in every magazine, every forum, and every gym worldwide.  No one talks about hormones except in shady backwater forums and dimly lit side rooms.  If only for the reason that they are the most overlooked aspect of bodybuilding, hormones should be considered the most important.



 I agree with you on every single point here, every single one. Yes I've seen people get stronger and not gain much muscle (including myself) but I have never met someone who didn't up their dose and didn't gain size, ever (including myself).

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #45 on: March 21, 2011, 10:24:57 AM »
I like this guy - very intelligent...

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Re: Two Most Important Things For Growth.
« Reply #46 on: March 21, 2011, 10:50:22 AM »
I like this guy - very intelligent...
Where have you been man.