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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2011, 02:26:12 PM »
they called for no fly zone - which is an act of war.

They called for immediate war with a 3rd arab country... it's theirs too now. 

IMO, their eagerness to show the war companies "Look, i'll be a war president, give donations to me" clouded their view.  We aren't needed there.  Period.  It'd be over now.  Now you'll have way more lives lost, tons of US $ spent, and the new people running it will hate us too.

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2011, 02:29:09 PM »
they called for no fly zone - which is an act of war.

They called for immediate war with a 3rd arab country... it's theirs too now.  

IMO, their eagerness to show the war companies "Look, i'll be a war president, give donations to me" clouded their view.  We aren't needed there.  Period.  It'd be over now.  Now you'll have way more lives lost, tons of US $ spent, and the new people running it will hate us too.

How is it theirs? They have no power, amazing that an individual who doesn't even hold office has that much influence over the POTUS, fucking scary actually
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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2011, 02:32:28 PM »
High crimes and misdemeanors.

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #28 on: March 21, 2011, 02:33:21 PM »
How is it theirs? They have no power, amazing that an individual who doesn't even hold office has that much influence or the POTUS, fucking scary actually

They lose the ability to criticize him for attacking - if/when it goes bad in the next 2 years.

Reminds me of when Mitt claimed "no opinion" on the iraqi surge, then spent a year trashing obama for not backing the surge... lol...

it's politics.  They traded the ability to criticize obama for it, in exchange for cozying up to war companies.

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #29 on: March 21, 2011, 02:37:06 PM »
They lose the ability to criticize him for attacking - if/when it goes bad in the next 2 years.

Reminds me of when Mitt claimed "no opinion" on the iraqi surge, then spent a year trashing obama for not backing the surge... lol...

it's politics.  They traded the ability to criticize obama for it, in exchange for cozying up to war companies.

Romney backed the surge in January 2007.  

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2007/01/10/romney_backs_bushs_surge_in_iraq/

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2011, 02:37:37 PM »
They lose the ability to criticize him for attacking - if/when it goes bad in the next 2 years.

Reminds me of when Mitt claimed "no opinion" on the iraqi surge, then spent a year trashing obama for not backing the surge... lol...

it's politics.  They traded the ability to criticize obama for it, in exchange for cozying up to war companies.

They can criticize if they want to, they don't have any power over the situation, Obama does. I mean shit Obama said only a few years ago that the POTUS didn't have the power to go to war with out congressional approval and look what we have.
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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2011, 02:42:36 PM »
Impeachable? No... of course not.

A terrible thing... Absolutely.

It's ridiculous for us to spend more money fighting for people who just don't give a damn about us.

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2011, 02:44:19 PM »
my bad, it was romney wanting to withdraw from iraq.

Mccain pointed it out during the debates.  In 2007 Romney wanted a timetable for withdrawl.  


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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2011, 02:46:29 PM »
They can criticize if they want to, they don't have any power over the situation, Obama does. I mean shit Obama said only a few years ago that the POTUS didn't have the power to go to war with out congressional approval and look what we have.

Case closed. 

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2011, 02:49:04 PM »
They can criticize if they want to, they don't have any power over the situation, Obama does. I mean shit Obama said only a few years ago that the POTUS didn't have the power to go to war with out congressional approval and look what we have.

All that needs to be said. No amount of 240 spinwork will make up for this.

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2011, 05:07:42 AM »
Republican (Rep. Roscoe Bartlett R-Md) says action in Libya is an 'affront' to the US Constitution
The Hill ^ | 3/21/11 | John T. Bennett




Republican says action in Libya is an 'affront' to the US Constitution
By John T. Bennett - 03/21/11 06:33 PM ET

A senior Republican on the House Armed Services Committee escalated his party's attacks on the Obama's administration's military action in Libya, calling the move unconstitutional.

“The United States does not have a King's army," Rep. Roscoe Bartlett (R-Md.) said in a statement released Monday evening. "President Obama's unilateral choice to use U.S. military force in Libya is an affront to our Constitution."

Bartlett said Obama's team has repeated "the mistakes" made by the Clinton and George W. Bush administrations when they plunged U.S. forces into the Kosovo and Iraq conflicts without first seeking congressional approval.

Bartlett lashed out at Obama for opting against getting lawmakers OK before using "military force against a country that has not attacked U.S. territory, the U.S. military or U.S. citizens."

Obama notified lawmakers of his authorization for the mission in a letter.


Bartlett's statement was the harshest yet from House Republican leaders, who are lining up against the Libyan operation.


House Speaker Rep. John Boehner (R-Ohio) and Armed Services Committee Chairman Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon (R-Calif.) issued separate statements Sunday afternoon questioning the administration's goals in Libya.


Some senior Senate Republicans, including John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), have said they support sending U.S. forces to Libya to help set up and maintain a no-fly zone.


In the statement, the Bartlett called Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi a tyrant who has mercilessly attacked his own people.


But, for Bartlett, that is not enough to justify U.S. military intervention.


"It is self-evident that the tragic situation in Libya is not an emergency since the Obama administration sought and obtained support from both the Arab League and the United Nations Security Council to authorize military force against [Gadhafi]," Bartlett said in the statement.


The veteran lawmaker also panned the administration for taking the time to organize over 20 nations for the no-fly zone mission, but not to gain congressional approval.


Bartlett also sought to place the responsibility for the operation squarely on the president's doorstep.


"Failing to obtain authorization from the U.S. Congress means that President Obama has taken sole responsibility for the outcome of using U.S. military forces against [Gadhafi] onto his shoulders and his administration," Bartlett said.


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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #36 on: March 23, 2011, 02:01:30 AM »
See this is the problem, this shit has been going on so long we just chalk it up to "he is just being a politician". But it's ou own fault we just accept it instead of calling the fuckers out.

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #37 on: March 23, 2011, 05:10:08 AM »
They can criticize if they want to, they don't have any power over the situation, Obama does. I mean shit Obama said only a few years ago that the POTUS didn't have the power to go to war with out congressional approval and look what we have.

That about sums it up.
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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #38 on: March 23, 2011, 06:01:40 AM »

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #39 on: March 23, 2011, 06:08:50 AM »
Obama observe the now 37 year old War Powers Act... which lets a POTUS act unilaterally in a fast changing situation such as this, but states that s/he has to get Congressional authorization within 60 days, extendable to 90 if circumstances require it:

[SEC. 5. (b)

Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.]


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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #40 on: March 23, 2011, 06:11:34 AM »
Biden disagrees with you. 

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #41 on: March 23, 2011, 06:14:02 AM »
he dosen't disagree with me he disagrees with the  war powers act ;D

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #42 on: March 23, 2011, 06:16:28 AM »
he dosen't disagree with me he disagrees with the  war powers act ;D

What was the national emergency, threat, imminent danger, and national interest in this that Obama could not get cong approval fist?   

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #43 on: March 23, 2011, 06:23:03 AM »
you would have to ask them, they know  whats going on there more then us

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #44 on: March 23, 2011, 06:40:06 AM »
There is this notion that we cannot retreat from Libya without removing Gaddafi, but that's ridiculous.  Obama should admit that he didn't want to go to war in the first place and back out.  It doesn't look good, but we don't have the money or the right to be there. 

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #45 on: March 23, 2011, 06:59:52 AM »
There is this notion that we cannot retreat from Libya without removing Gaddafi, but that's ridiculous.  Obama should admit that he didn't want to go to war in the first place and back out.  It doesn't look good, but we don't have the money or the right to be there.  

The British and French need Gadhafi removed or they can certainly expect terrorist reprisal attacks down the road. Not only that, but if we pull out then the entire operation collapses as neither France or England have the military capabilities to enforce the NFZ for more than a few days.

Not only that, but the govt. of Yemen has killed hundreds of protesters in the last few weeks. And now Syrian govt. forces are becoming increasingly violent, having just killed protesters for the second time in a week. Are we going in there, too?

The Messiah put this country into a gigantic cluster-fuck for no reason whatsoever.

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Re: Obama's Libya Attack An Impeachable Offense?
« Reply #46 on: March 23, 2011, 08:31:29 AM »
The British and French need Gadhafi removed or they can certainly expect terrorist reprisal attacks down the road. Not only that, but if we pull out then the entire operation collapses as neither France or England have the military capabilities to enforce the NFZ for more than a few days.

Not only that, but the govt. of Yemen has killed hundreds of protesters in the last few weeks. And now Syrian govt. forces are becoming increasingly violent, having just killed protesters for the second time in a week. Are we going in there, too?

The Messiah put this country into a gigantic cluster-fuck for no reason whatsoever.

Agreed that Obama has put the US and it's allies at risk of terrorist attacks if Gaddafi is left in power.  At this point though, there's already enough American hatred in the Middle East that it doesn't matter what we do, there will be retribution.  Our best option is to totally pull out and inform the world that we're no longer a blank check.  Like you said, are we going into Syria or Yemen next?  It's not sustainable.