Author Topic: Didn't Reagan go off attacking other nations without approval of congress?  (Read 13737 times)

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Do you condemn Reagan for his obvious lies when he said that he had forgotten important details about the Iran-contra affair?



Yeah, he lied.   Funny - I will call it straight yet you will NEVER condemn a damn thing your messiah does, no matter how bad, no matter how dishonest, no matter how contradictory, you just look back to equivocate it with something someone did in the past.

nice.        

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So basically the only thing you can call Obama out for is being a flip flopper on this...  Unfortunately the count of politicians doing that is mighty high, not counting Ron Paul who I swear to god seems to be absolute in his opinions decade after decade lol..

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So basically the only thing you can call Obama out for is being a flip flopper on this...  Unfortunately the count of politicians doing that is mighty high, not counting Ron Paul who I swear to god seems to be absolute in his opinions decade after decade lol..

Reagan consulted the congress before striking lybia, obama did not. 

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Yeah, he lied.   Funny - I will call it straight yet you will NEVER condemn a damn thing your messiah does, no matter how bad, no matter how dishonest, no matter how contradictory, you just look back to equivocate it with something someone did in the past.

nice.        
There's no evidence that Reagan lied.  Epic good dude, don't tarnish his name without proof ok...

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There's no evidence that Reagan lied.  Epic good dude, don't tarnish his name without proof ok...

Personally, I believe that Reagan actually "didn't recall" all of those 130 or 150 times under oath.

33 seems to think Reagan was lying. 

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Obama was strong-armed into this by England, France and the Arab League, compounded by his delusional desire to keep the Arab revolutions rolling. He also set the stage for intervention weeks ago when he opened his suckhole and threw Qaddafi to the wolves.  

So, to all the people justifying his military action, will you support us heading into Syria, Yemen and Bahrain next? After all, all of those countries have violently suppressed protests in the last weeks. 50+ people were killed in a few hours in Yemen the other day.

We can even swing through Africa on the way home, hitting the Congo and Somalia. And, for dessert, we can pop into Colombia and finally eradicate FARC. If we're feeling like cheating on our diet with a late-night snack, we can sneak down to Mexico and pop some Cartel trash!

Can't wait!

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3333, what's up with the Reagan bashing :-\

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Why do we cherry pick which countries to intervene in? Why have we thrown the Iranian populace to the wolves twice now while we enter a civil war in Libya?

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Why do we cherry pick which countries to intervene in? Why have we thrown the Iranian populace to the wolves twice now while we enter a civil war in Libya?
Good question... wondering the same shit for quite a while... 

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Good question... wondering the same shit for quite a while... 


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3333, what's up with the Reagan bashing :-\

He called Reagan a liar?  

We all saw his 1984 debate debacle, where he clearly had a memory issue.  We know ABC news was pressred to keep their news stories on his mental issues quiet, for issues of national secuurity.

it's entirely believable that despite all his lawyers and briefings on the matter, he took the stand and suddenly forgot 130 times.

33 doesn't think so tho.

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Why do we cherry pick which countries to intervene in? Why have we thrown the Iranian populace to the wolves twice now while we enter a civil war in Libya?
dont forget the people of Zimbabwe 

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wow, this is the first time I've had one of my threads go two pages in a very long time...  Let me kill this shit now.... FUKUSHIMA!!! BOO!!!!! ;D

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(CNSNews.com) - As a presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) emphatically stated that the Constitution does not give the president the authority to unilaterally authorize a military attack unless it is needed to stop an actual or imminent attack on the United States.

Obama made the assertion in a Dec. 20, 2007 interview with the Boston Globe when reporter Charlie Savage asked him under what circumstances the president would have the constitutional authority to bomb Iran without first seeking authorization from Congress.

“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” Obama responded.

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(CNSNews.com) - As a presidential candidate, Sen. Barack Obama (D.-Ill.) emphatically stated that the Constitution does not give the president the authority to unilaterally authorize a military attack unless it is needed to stop an actual or imminent attack on the United States.

Obama made the assertion in a Dec. 20, 2007 interview with the Boston Globe when reporter Charlie Savage asked him under what circumstances the president would have the constitutional authority to bomb Iran without first seeking authorization from Congress.

“The President does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation,” Obama responded.

yes yes, I posted it here days ago and several have been posting it constantly since....  It makes him a flip flopper on opinion but from what i understand, he's legal in what he's doing.

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Teh Libyans had the weapons of mass destruction the whole time and obama had to react man he did it for us man. Obama almost died for us man

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yes yes, I posted it here days ago and several have been posting it constantly since....

Yes, guess why Hugo?

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what?

Why do people keep posting obama's own words on this? 

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Why do people keep posting obama's own words on this? 
well no fucking shit...  It points out what an assbackstabbing flip flopping sack of shit he is.

I'll also point out that I first brought that quote to this board after you had called out Moore.  You had NO COMMENT about that did you?  BB then took the quote and started posting it in other threads and it went from there with the original purpose of it being posted here, lost without a single comment.  I understand how much you guys hate Moore, but at least you could have the balls to admit you were wrong to call him out on what you did when Moore is indeed shooting at Obama on this crap.

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yes yes, I posted it here days ago and several have been posting it constantly since....  It makes him a flip flopper on opinion but from what i understand, he's legal in what he's doing.

But, this is the caveat:
does not give the president the authority to unilaterally authorize a military attack unless it is needed to stop an actual or imminent attack on the United States.

What threat is Libya to the USA?  The reason why the left called Bush a war criminial was because to them Iraq was not a threat and had nothing to to do with 911. Why is the left so quiet now?

In order for Obama's actions to be legal he has to show Lybia was going to ATTACK USA.  If he can't prove that then his action was illegal and therefore a war criminal just like the left claimed Bush was a war criminal.

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yes yes, I posted it here days ago and several have been posting it constantly since....  It makes him a flip flopper on opinion but from what i understand, he's legal in what he's doing.

That is debatable:

From Article I section 8

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress

The POTUS may be CIC, but where is the immanent threat to America or its assets?

241 Marines lost their lives in '82. that was a direct attack/immanent threat to a US asset

This is a link the War Powers Act of 1975 not going to post the whole thing because of the length

http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp

SEC. 3. The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations.

Now that seems clear and concise

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But, this is the caveat:
does not give the president the authority to unilaterally authorize a military attack unless it is needed to stop an actual or imminent attack on the United States.

What threat is Libya to the USA?  The reason why the left called Bush a war criminial was because to them Iraq was not a threat and had nothing to to do with 911. Why is the left so quiet now?

In order for Obama's actions to be legal he has to show Lybia was going to ATTACK USA.  If he can't prove that then his action was illegal and therefore a war criminal just like the left claimed Bush was a war criminal.

Yea, I think we all get that... That's what people have been talking about in several threads.  No offense.

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That is debatable:

From Article I section 8

To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;

To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;

To provide and maintain a Navy;

To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;

To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress

The POTUS may be CIC, but where is the immanent threat to America or its assets?

241 Marines lost their lives in '82. that was a direct attack/immanent threat to a US asset
It's not debatable according to the Wars Power Act.  I agree, the president shouldn't be able to do this shit without going through congress.  But legally, I think he is in the clear...

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I edited the post you should take a look at the war powers act ( is it unconstitutional? Probably but it on the books)
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