Author Topic: Didn't Reagan go off attacking other nations without approval of congress? (Read 13729 times)

dario73 · « **Reply #50 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:35:39 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 22, 2011, 07:28:27 AM

Yea, I think we all get that... That's what people have been talking about in several threads. No offense.

None taken. I couldn't log in the past 4 days and just responded to the first thread I saw. I am late to the game.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #51 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:37:05 AM »

Quote from: Kazan on March 22, 2011, 07:35:16 AM

I edited the post you should take a look at the war powers act ( is it unconstitutional? Probably but it on the books)

yea, I agree without even looking at your post... but the problem is there and it still leaves Obama legally in the clear on this.

Kazan · « **Reply #52 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:38:11 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 22, 2011, 07:37:05 AM

yea, I agree without even looking at your post... but the problem is there and it still leaves Obama legally in the clear on this.

Not really because he didn't consult congress

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #53 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:38:40 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 22, 2011, 07:37:05 AM

yea, I agree without even looking at your post... but the problem is there and it still leaves Obama legally in the clear on this.

Yes, but under the war powers act he needs to report back to congress and fully account for this as well as future plans.

Bama is gong to get steam rolled on this by both sides wih only Kerry, McLame, and Lieberman giving him cover.

Kazan · « **Reply #54 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:40:27 AM »

Quote from: 333386 on March 22, 2011, 07:38:40 AM

Yes, but under the war powers act he needs to report back to congress and fully account for this as well as future plans.

Bama is gong to get steam rolled on this by both sides wih only Kerry, McLame, and Lieberman giving him cover.

The key is that the POTUS is supposed to consult congress before introducing US forces, not simply report after

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #55 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:41:22 AM »

so you're saying that Obama did not notify Congress within the 48 hours required? Any links to prove this... Maybe we can nail this down to impeachable right here!

Kazan · « **Reply #56 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:45:53 AM »

Quote from: Hugo Chavez on March 22, 2011, 07:41:22 AM

so you're saying that Obama did not notify Congress within the 48 hours required? Any links to prove this... Maybe we can nail this down to impeachable right here!

(3) in numbers which substantially enlarge United States Armed Forces equipped for combat already located in a foreign nation; the president shall submit within 48 hours to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate a report, in writing, setting forth--

(A) the circumstances necessitating the introduction of United States Armed Forces;

(B) the constitutional and legislative authority under which such introduction took place; and

(C) the estimated scope and duration of the hostilities or involvement.

(b) The President shall provide such other information as the Congress may request in the fulfillment of its constitutional responsibilities with respect to committing the Nation to war and to the use of United States Armed Forces abroad

I haven't seen any of this information reported, so I really don't know. B could be a real problem in this instance

RUDE BUOY · « **Reply #57 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:48:34 AM »

OzmO · « **Reply #58 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:49:07 AM »

What about Grenada?

Kazan · « **Reply #59 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:57:05 AM »

Quote from: OzmO on March 22, 2011, 07:49:07 AM

What about Grenada?

This is another situation( if you believe it to be) of US assets, in this case US citizens put in jeopardy abroad.

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #60 on:** March 22, 2011, 07:59:19 AM »

Quote from: Kazan on March 22, 2011, 07:45:53 AM

(3) in numbers which substantially enlarge United States Armed Forces equipped for combat already located in a foreign nation; the president shall submit within 48 hours to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and to the President pro tempore of the Senate a report, in writing, setting forth--

(A) the circumstances necessitating the introduction of United States Armed Forces;

(B) the constitutional and legislative authority under which such introduction took place; and

(C) the estimated scope and duration of the hostilities or involvement.

(b) The President shall provide such other information as the Congress may request in the fulfillment of its constitutional responsibilities with respect to committing the Nation to war and to the use of United States Armed Forces abroad

I haven't seen any of this information reported, so I really don't know. B could be a real problem in this instance

Yea, that's the trick... we have to show or see that he didn't notify congress in the 48 hour time... If anyone can show that, we got ourselves a real cause.

OzmO · « **Reply #61 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:00:10 AM »

Quote from: Kazan on March 22, 2011, 07:57:05 AM

This is another situation( if you believe it to be) of US assets, in this case US citizens put in jeopardy abroad.

I remember reading in Tip O'Neil's book about Reagan telling him it was to get people's mind off of the marines killed in Lebanon. Just what I read lol.

whork25 · « **Reply #62 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:00:44 AM »

Just a couple a weeks ago there was posts with Obama not getting any respect in the middle-east and that Bush was so feared and respected bla bla..

Maybe he took offence?
After all Trump cant attack him on being weak and afraid of confrontation anymore

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #63 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:02:37 AM »

Quote from: whork25 on March 22, 2011, 08:00:44 AM

Just a couple a weeks ago there was posts with Obama not getting any respect in the middle-east and that Bush was so feared and respected bla bla..

Maybe he took offence?
After all Trump cant attack him on being weak and afraid of confrontation anymore

You think this garners respect for Obama? ha ha ha ha

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #64 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:03:29 AM »

Quote from: OzmO on March 22, 2011, 07:49:07 AM

What about Grenada?

I was thinking there were a few examples of this but I couldn't find proof online... The search engines are harder and harder to use these days, geared toward giving you a million results rather than letting you pin it down with all the right keywords... I keep getting results from the major search engines that don't even have the words I searched for in the document. fuckers...

whork25 · « **Reply #65 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:04:59 AM »

If he is disrespected for not starting any wars and promote peace like you argued then this must give him respect and ffear from the middle east surely.
He has shown to be willing to start wars even without the congress it seems.

The man got cujones

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #66 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:06:40 AM »

Quote from: whork25 on March 22, 2011, 08:04:59 AM

If he is disrespected for not starting any wars and promote peace like you argued then this must give him respect and ffear from the middle east surely.
He has shown to be willing to start wars even without the congress it seems.

The man got cujones

Yeah, being pushed into a war because Hillary, Samantha Powers, and Susan Rice yelled at you before heading off to a vacation will get respect.

Kazan · « **Reply #67 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:06:48 AM »

Quote from: whork25 on March 22, 2011, 08:00:44 AM

Just a couple a weeks ago there was posts with Obama not getting any respect in the middle-east and that Bush was so feared and respected bla bla..

Maybe he took offence?
After all Trump cant attack him on being weak and afraid of confrontation anymore

The whole thing makes the US look its amateur hour

Kazan · « **Reply #68 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:09:41 AM »

Quote from: whork25 on March 22, 2011, 08:04:59 AM

If he is disrespected for not starting any wars and promote peace like you argued then this must give him respect and ffear from the middle east surely.
He has shown to be willing to start wars even without the congress it seems.

The man got cujones

Why do you think all this shit is going on in the ME all of the sudden? After all the apology tours........ They saw Obama as weak and gambled that the would not intervene. Still don't see the logic in this action.

whork25 · « **Reply #69 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:10:57 AM »

Okay Obama stays out of Libya while the French(of all people lol) and the British(our closest allies) attacks? All right-wingers would be screaming traitor, pussy, leaving our allies behind, soft on foreign policy bla..bla..

He goes in and he is a war-mongerer.

Got it.

I have taken side with the right many times in here but now you are just like little children whining...

Soul Crusher · « **Reply #70 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:12:26 AM »

What part of broke, two wars already, and siding with jihadi's do yuo not grasp?

And are you willing to go to lybia yourself and fight side by side with those people?

Hugo Chavez · « **Reply #71 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:13:19 AM »

Quote from: whork25 on March 22, 2011, 08:10:57 AM

Okay Obama stays out of Libya while the French(of all people lol) and the British(our closest allies) attacks? All right-wingers would be screaming traitor, pussy, leaving our allies behind, soft on foreign policy bla..bla..

He goes in and he is a war-mongerer.

Got it.

I have taken side with the right many times in here but now you are just like little children whining...

BULLSHIT!!!... I would be happy as fuck if those guys did all this shit on their own without us... Anybody bitched about that I would be happy to tell them off. If France and those guys wanted this, them them fucking go do it.

Kazan · « **Reply #72 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:14:08 AM »

Quote from: whork25 on March 22, 2011, 08:10:57 AM

Okay Obama stays out of Libya while the French(of all people lol) and the British(our closest allies) attacks? All right-wingers would be screaming traitor, pussy, leaving our allies behind, soft on foreign policy bla..bla..

He goes in and he is a war-mongerer.

Got it.

I have taken side with the right many times in here but now you are just like little children whining...

Really, then give me one good reason why the US is bombing Libya. Please enlighten us all, otherwise this is a waste of time, $, and possible US lives.

whork25 · « **Reply #73 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:17:18 AM »

We need to support our allies, simple as that.

The British have supported us in Afghanistan and Irak as well

Kazan · « **Reply #74 on:** March 22, 2011, 08:23:35 AM »

Quote from: whork25 on March 22, 2011, 08:17:18 AM

We need to support our allies, simple as that.

The British have supported us in Afghanistan and Irak as well

I can see your logic here, but what threat does Libya pose to the UK? They were just dealing with Gaddafi, release a terrorist for oil. Did Gaddafi renege on the deal? There has to be more of a reason than what is being reported.

And who exactly are these rebels? We don't know shit about them, but are ready to clear the way for them to take over? Something stinks about this whole deal.