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I can see your logic here, but what threat does Libya pose to the UK? They were just dealing with Gaddafi, release a terrorist for oil. Did Gaddafi renege on the deal? There has to be more of a reason than what is being reported.

And who exactly are these rebels? We don't know shit about them, but are ready to clear the way for them to take over? Something stinks about this whole deal.

No threat what so ever.
I believe the reason was the fact that Gaddafi was about to commit genocide hiring african mercenaries for the job. He also said in a speak that the people of Libya would pay for the rebellion.
But this is politics so i completely agree with you there is other interests at work here just like with Irak.

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The White House

Office of the Press Secretary

For Immediate Release March 21, 2011 Letter from the President regarding the commencement of operations in Libya
TEXT OF A LETTER FROM THE PRESIDENT TO THE SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND THE PRESIDENT PRO TEMPORE OF THE SENATE

March 21, 2011

Dear Mr. Speaker: (Dear Mr. President:)

At approximately 3:00 p.m. Eastern Daylight Time, on March 19, 2011, at my direction, U.S. military forces commenced operations to assist an international effort authorized by the United Nations (U.N.) Security Council and undertaken with the support of European allies and Arab partners, to prevent a humanitarian catastrophe and address the threat posed to international peace and security by the crisis in Libya. As part of the multilateral response authorized under U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, U.S. military forces, under the command of Commander, U.S. Africa Command, began a series of strikes against air defense systems and military airfields for the purposes of preparing a no-fly zone. These strikes will be limited in their nature, duration, and scope. Their purpose is to support an international coalition as it takes all necessary measures to enforce the terms of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973. These limited U.S. actions will set the stage for further action by other coalition partners.

United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973 authorized Member States, under Chapter VII of the U.N. Charter, to take all necessary measures to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in Libya, including the establishment and enforcement of a "no-fly zone" in the airspace of Libya. United States military efforts are discrete and focused on employing unique U.S. military capabilities to set the conditions for our European allies and Arab partners to carry out the measures authorized by the U.N. Security Council Resolution.

Muammar Qadhafi was provided a very clear message that a cease-fire must be implemented immediately. The international community made clear that all attacks against civilians had to stop; Qadhafi had to stop his forces from advancing on Benghazi; pull them back from Ajdabiya, Misrata, and Zawiya; and establish water, electricity, and gas supplies to all areas. Finally, humanitarian assistance had to be allowed to reach the people of Libya.

Although Qadhafi's Foreign Minister announced an immediate cease-fire, Qadhafi and his forces made no attempt to implement such a cease-fire, and instead continued attacks on Misrata and advanced on Benghazi. Qadhafi's continued attacks and threats against civilians and civilian populated areas are of grave concern to neighboring Arab nations and, as expressly stated in U.N. Security Council Resolution 1973, constitute a threat to the region and to international peace and security. His illegitimate use of force not only is causing the deaths of substantial numbers of civilians among his own people, but also is forcing many others to flee to neighboring countries, thereby destabilizing the peace and security of the region. Left unaddressed, the growing instability in Libya could ignite wider instability in the Middle East, with dangerous consequences to the national security interests of the United States. Qadhafi's defiance of the Arab League, as well as the broader international community moreover, represents a lawless challenge to the authority of the Security Council and its efforts to preserve stability in the region. Qadhafi has forfeited his responsibility to protect his own citizens and created a serious need for immediate humanitarian assistance and protection, with any delay only putting more civilians at risk.

The United States has not deployed ground forces into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect civilians and prevent a humanitarian disaster. Accordingly, U.S. forces have targeted the Qadhafi regime's air defense systems, command and control structures, and other capabilities of Qadhafi's armed forces used to attack civilians and civilian populated areas. We will seek a rapid, but responsible, transition of operations to coalition, regional, or international organizations that are postured to continue activities as may be necessary to realize the objectives of U.N. Security Council Resolutions 1970 and 1973.

For these purposes, I have directed these actions, which are in the national security and foreign policy interests of the United States, pursuant to my constitutional authority to conduct U.S. foreign relations and as Commander in Chief and Chief Executive.

I am providing this report as part of my efforts to keep the Congress fully informed, consistent with the War Powers Resolution. I appreciate the support of the Congress in this action.

BARACK OBAMA

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How could he appreciate the support of the congress when there was none to begin with?   

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The United States has not deployed ground forces into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect civilians and prevent a humanitarian disaster.

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The United States has not deployed ground forces into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect civilians and prevent a humanitarian disaster.

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The United States has not deployed ground forces into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect civilians and prevent a humanitarian disaster.

The United States has not deployed ground forces(Yet) into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect the oil fields and prevent oil prices from going any higher

there fixed it for :P
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The United States has not deployed ground forces(Yet) into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect the oil fields and prevent oil prices from going any higher

there fixed it for :P
so in other words .......

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The United States has not deployed ground forces into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect civilians and prevent a humanitarian disaster.
LOL, looks more like they sold the idea of just a no fly zone and then went under the fine type of the deal to launch an all out shock and awe campaign.  Bush formed his coalitions by paying states millions and Obama with his UN buddies by tricking them lol...  nice....

Seriously, why the fuck are we helping a group that hates us to overthough a leader that hates us?  How fucking retarded is that?  Those guys can kill eachother without our help.

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The United States has not deployed ground forces(Yet) into Libya. United States forces are conducting a limited and well-defined mission in support of international efforts to protect the oil fields and prevent oil prices from going any higher

there fixed it for :P

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"May I suggest a 50 mile evacuation zone around Obama's Nobel Peace Prize."

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The funniest part of this whole thing is the UN citing humanitarian crisis as their reason for action, shit most of their policies foment humanitarian crisis, while their officials accept bribes and slave out kids.
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The funniest part of this whole thing is the UN citing humanitarian crisis as their reason for action, shit most of their policies foment humanitarian crisis, while their officials accept bribes and slave out kids.

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The funniest part of this whole thing is the UN citing humanitarian crisis as their reason for action, shit most of their policies foment humanitarian crisis, while their officials accept bribes and slave out kids.
bah most of us are to distracted to be bothered by what they do behind the scenes just the way they like it  ;D

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i heard this morning that we don't give a shit about slaughters in any country that doesn't export either oil or terrorism

True or false?


And if false, please give examples of US interventions to save lives where neither was present.

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i heard this morning that we don't give a shit about slaughters in any country that doesn't export either oil or terrorism

True or false?


And if false, please give examples of US interventions to save lives where neither was present.
the Saskatchewan civil war things got real yo thanks for you guy's help 

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Lybia was diectly ehing trhe bombing of barracks and killing of marines and Reagan retaliated.  
Obama is setting a completely different precedent by saying we are going here to protect the citizens and setting the groundwork for endless wars and police actions all over the place.  

Yemen, Baharain, Ivory Coast, etc are all going through the same thing - is obaa going to sed troop and resources ove there too to protect those people?    

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what bombing of barraks are you talking about


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what boming of barraks are you talking about



1983, 241 Marines killed when the barracks in Beirut truck bombed
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what boming of barraks are you talking about


He's confused.  Don't stress him over it, just post the wiki link for him to read.

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1983, 241 Marines killed when the barracks in Beirut truck bombed

I assumed ( I remember it because I was a senior in highschool and we talked about it extensively in civics class) it was that but wasn't aware that Libya had anything to do with that

Reagan didn't bomb Libya until 1986 and supposedly in retaliation over a terrorist bombing on a nightclub in Germany

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 air strikes were in retaliation  for Berlin disco bombing

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He's confused.  Don't stress him over it, just post the wiki link for him to read.

funny - I assumed he would do a little research before posting - if for no other reason then to check what he already "knows" to make sure it's correct

Reagans response to the direct attack on our marines was basically to cut and run


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i think he had a bachman moment  ;D

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I assumed ( I remember it because I was a senior in highschool and we talked about it extensively in civics class) it was that but wasn't aware that Libya had anything to do with that

Reagan didn't bomb Libya until 1986 and supposedly in retaliation over a terrorist bombing on a nightclub in Germany
exactly

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The bombing still involved US servicemen he just got the events mixed up.