Author Topic: Exclusive: Gadhafi, Allies May Be Seeking Way Out, Clinton tells ABC News  (Read 1540 times)

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People close to Libya's embattled leader Moammar Gadhafi are reaching out to allies around the world exploring their "options," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told ABC News' Diane Sawyer today, and the U.S. government has gotten unconfirmed reports that at least one of Gadhafi's sons has been killed.




"Some of it is theater. Some of it is, you know, kind of, shall we say game playing, to try to do one message to one group, another message to somebody else," she added. "A lot of it is just the way he behaves. It's somewhat unpredictable. But some of it, we think, is exploring. You know, what are my options, where could I go, what could I do. And we would encourage that."

Clinton said she's also heard reports that one of Gadhafi's sons may have been killed in the air strikes. But she added that the "evidence is not sufficient" to confirm.

As coalition airstrikes attacked Gadhafi's military assets for the fourth day in a row, Clinton expressed optimism about an early handover, saying the United States would transfer leadership to another country within days. She downplayed concerns about a fracture in the coalition.

"It will be days. Whether it's by Saturday or not depends on the evaluation made by our military commanders along with our allies and partners," she said.


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Yeah ok blackass.  Hillary herself needs to be held to account for her bullshit.

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held accountable for what

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I don`t see a point to this Libyan invasion.  The Bush Doctrine rears its head yet again.

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I believe leaving Gadhafi and his family alone would have been the best thing to do as dictators tend not to tolerate religious tribalism or extremism.  This is most likely what they will get if Gadhafi goes.  Libya is still tribalistic and you can bet that the zealots amongst them are just itching for their own rise to power or worse, embroil the country in an endless civil war amongst different religious sects.

At least Gadhafi, like Saddam, had a firm handle on the religious terroristic lunatics.

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he'll leave.  obama at 55% gallup in 2 weeks.  this shit is like clockwork.

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I believe leaving Gadhafi and his family alone would have been the best thing to do as dictators tend not to tolerate religious tribalism or extremism.  This is most likely what they will get if Gadhafi goes.  Libya is still tribalistic and you can bet that the zealots amongst them are just itching for their own rise to power or worse, embroil the country in an endless civil war amongst different religious sects.

At least Gadhafi, like Saddam, had a firm handle on the religious terroristic lunatics.
and idiot liberals...they keep them in check as well ;)

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he'll leave.  obama at 55% gallup in 2 weeks.  this shit is like clockwork.
I`m not so certain about Obama gaining any large approval for this strike on Libya.  I think it will have the opposite effect, perhaps his political Waterloo.  The American public is rather stupid in general, but I do think they realize that this type of military action (along with the other wars we are involved in at the moment) is nothing but a waste of money that the United States cannot afford and they will remember that Obama rubber stamped the whole thing.

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if we don't lose a single US life... we spend a couple hundred million... we save 100,000 lives in Libya... and we kill/push out the dickhead responsible for downing a US airliner...

I'd say he'll be looking pretty.

And if not, he can always tell his 2012 counterpart "hey dick, you also said we should invade..."

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Spin spin spin. 

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if we don't lose a single US life... we spend a couple hundred million... we save 100,000 lives in Libya... and we kill/push out the dickhead responsible for downing a US airliner...

I'd say he'll be looking pretty.

And if not, he can always tell his 2012 counterpart "hey dick, you also said we should invade..."

Yeah, man. He's looking pretty, what with his own party members calling for his impeachment.

Americans didn't want another war and in the end they won't give a flying fuck about how many lives were saved. I'll bet they care about the $1+ billion we end up dropping on it.

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Yeah, man. He's looking pretty, what with his own party members calling for his impeachment.

Oh no, i'm sure Kuscinich will back Newt or Sarah Palin in 2012 now...


Americans didn't want another war and in the end they won't give a flying fuck about how many lives were saved. I'll bet they care about the $1+ billion we end up dropping on it.

Obama can point to this in 2012 as his ability to work with other nations, actually get rid of terrorists, and get shit done quickly.  (mind you, i'm not kneepadding, i'm telling you the strategy he could use in the debates to win voters).

I mean, maybe a Palin or T-Paw will tell us 'what they would have done...' to get the same results... but if it's 300 million in bombs and no lives lost, and dickhead leaves Libya, that's a win.

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Oh no, i'm sure Kuscinich will back Newt or Sarah Palin in 2012 now...


Obama can point to this in 2012 as his ability to work with other nations, actually get rid of terrorists, and get shit done quickly.  (mind you, i'm not kneepadding, i'm telling you the strategy he could use in the debates to win voters).

I mean, maybe a Palin or T-Paw will tell us 'what they would have done...' to get the same results... but if it's 300 million in bombs and no lives lost, and dickhead leaves Libya, that's a win.

Way too early to be declaring victory there, sunshine. Palin or T-Paw can just as easily point out of the research highlighting the number of jihadists coming out of eastern Libya and make the claim that "Obama aided and abetted terrorists, jihadists and other enemies of the every day American."

Not only that, there is nothing to say that Libya will be alright after Qaddafi leaves. I'm more inclined to believe that it will turn into an even biggest cluster-fuck than it is right now. AND then we you factor in the rest of the Middle East, and the abysmal foreign policy experience he's displayed during these revolutions, well, you've got yourself a right ol' field day of information to go at him with. Enough material that your little fairy-tale belief of him removing Qaddafi being spun positively won't make a bit of difference.

But you keep polishing that knob.

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you just tell me when an A-lister announces he/she is running for president ;)

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if we don't lose a single US life... we spend a couple hundred million... we save 100,000 lives in Libya... and we kill/push out the dickhead responsible for downing a US airliner...

I'd say he'll be looking pretty.

And if not, he can always tell his 2012 counterpart "hey dick, you also said we should invade..."

First of all this shit is not going to be controlled from the air, you think Gaddafi is stupid? See how fast his people switch to civilian clothing and fuck the whole NFZ up. Then what? We are in for another long drawn out insurgency, boots will be one the ground. And if boots don't hit the ground we just wasted a bunch of time and $ to accomplish not a fucking thing.
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First of all this shit is not going to be controlled from the air, you think Gaddafi is stupid? See how fast his people switch to civilian clothing and fuck the whole NFZ up. Then what? We are in for another long drawn out insurgency, boots will be one the ground. And if boots don't hit the ground we just wasted a bunch of time and $ to accomplish not a fucking thing.

you might be right.

but honestly, I think he flees.  ABC reporting he's looking for a backdoor out that will keep him from the gallows.  He was about to lose his country, needed merc's just to keep his skin.  The $ will dry up shortly... he probably has rnough left just to skate outta town.

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you might be right.

but honestly, I think he flees.  ABC reporting he's looking for a backdoor out that will keep him from the gallows.  He was about to lose his country, needed merc's just to keep his skin.  The $ will dry up shortly... he probably has rnough left just to skate outta town.

Gaddafi leaving does not equal end of civil war. All that does is leave a power vacuum with every crazy trying gain control. This shit is going to be a mess before all is said and done. The POTUS made the wrong choice, and made pretty clear that we had picked sides before the UN resolution even passed. The US is not a neutral "peace keeping" force in this. And further more since when dose the POTUS get to decide who runs a foreign country?
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He's the brilliant obama he gets to choose.

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He's the brilliant obama he gets to choose.

I can't wait until the entire ME is run by Islamist ::)
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Gaddafi leaving does not equal end of civil war.

 And further more since when dose the POTUS get to decide who runs a foreign country?

Did ya not see the tools we installed in afghanistan and iraq?  ;)

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Coalition slready falling apart.

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Gadhafi is ridiculously unpredictable so reports of him looking for a way out are pointless until he actually leaves.

That said, he has been pretty much the only stabilizing force keeping Libya from all-out civil war. Libya is a country made up a handful of gigantic tribes and none of them like each other. Gadhafi's lifeblood has been his ability to play them off of each other as a means of maintaining power. He goes and I bet it goes to complete shit.

Did ya not see the tools we installed in afghanistan and iraq?  ;)

You mean the tool that's butt buddies with the Taliban and taking money from Iran? Yeah, our track record of installing guys we like is stellar.  ::)

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Did ya not see the tools we installed in afghanistan and iraq?  ;)

And how long are they going to last after the US leaves? About 2 seconds
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And how long are they going to last after the US leaves? About 2 seconds

I thought karzai (still in power in afghanistan?) was an oil exec?  And he's surely kept the drug trade alive, which we loooooooooove.

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I thought karzai (still in power in afghanistan?) was an oil exec?  And he's surely kept the drug trade alive, which we loooooooooove.

That fuckhead got ran out before and he will again, as soon as there is no US military to prop his sorry ass up
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