Author Topic: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!  (Read 2019 times)

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Obama observe the now 37 year old War Powers Act... which lets a POTUS act unilaterally in a fast changing situation such as this, but states that s/he has to get Congressional authorization within 60 days, extendable to 90 if circumstances require it:

[SEC. 5. (b)

Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.]


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Sorry blackass - he said he teaces thi along with coon lw experts and they all agree ith him on this. 

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so all of a sudden he's smart :D :D :D :D :D only when it fits your agenda  ;D typ.

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Obama observe the now 37 year old War Powers Act... which lets a POTUS act unilaterally in a fast changing situation such as this, but states that s/he has to get Congressional authorization within 60 days, extendable to 90 if circumstances require it:

[SEC. 5. (b)

Within sixty calendar days after a report is submitted or is required to be submitted pursuant to section 4(a)(1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress (1) has declared war or has enacted a specific authorization for such use of United States Armed Forces, (2) has extended by law such sixty-day period, or (3) is physically unable to meet as a result of an armed attack upon the United States. Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.]




Actually the War Powers Act states that a President can only send U.S. armed forces into action abroad by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. That was clearly not the case here. Congress should have been used to authorize military force in this instance.

Furthermore the Act (resolution ) requires that the president inform congress within 48 hrs and provides only 60 days with a reserve of 30 for withdrawl without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.

Here's the text:  http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp

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Obama = warmonger, baby-killer, ally of terrorists and murderer of US citizens. Try him for war crimes!

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Obama = warmonger, baby-killer, ally of terrorists and murderer of US citizens. Try him for war crimes!

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Actually the War Powers Act states that a President can only send U.S. armed forces into action abroad by authorization of Congress or if the United States is already under attack or serious threat. That was clearly not the case here. Congress should have been used to authorize military force in this instance.

Furthermore the Act (resolution ) requires that the president inform congress within 48 hrs and provides only 60 days with a reserve of 30 for withdrawl without an authorization of the use of military force or a declaration of war.

Here's the text:  http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/warpower.asp



 The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities

he informed within 48 hours

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This is going to be obama's undoing.  This is incompetence on a whole different level now. 

 

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #10 on: March 23, 2011, 07:17:46 AM »


 The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities

he informed within 48 hours

He "informed" afterwords, and not before, as is required.

CONSULTATION

"SEC. 3. The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations."

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2011, 07:22:04 AM »
He "informed"  afterwords, and not before, as is required.

CONSULTATION

"SEC. 3. The President in every possible instance shall consult with Congress before introducing United States Armed Forces into hostilities or into situation where imminent involvement in hostilities is clearly indicated by the circumstances, and after every such introduction shall consult regularly with the Congress until United States Armed Forces are no longer engaged in hostilities or have been removed from such situations."

Whoops

And the war powers act wouldn't even need to exist is the POTUS followed the constitution.
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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2011, 07:48:58 AM »
Obama did consult with congressional leaders on March 18, the day before ordering military action in Libya - not to ask their advice, but to inform them of his decision. On Monday, he explained the mission in a two-page letter to Capitol Hill, citing his authority as commander in chief.



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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #13 on: March 23, 2011, 07:52:00 AM »
BB is actually highly informed on this one, and while I disagree with him on most things - including birtherism - he seems to have the opinion that while obama's decision making power may be skewed and misguided - he ain't breaking the law.

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2011, 07:52:35 AM »
Is there nothing you willl not kneepad from this idiot you voted for blacken?

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #15 on: March 23, 2011, 07:58:50 AM »
just stating the facts

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #16 on: March 23, 2011, 08:15:20 AM »
just stating the facts

What exactly are the facts? Please explain by not cutting and pasting a section of the War Powers Act. There is this other document called the constitution that is the final word on this matter.
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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #17 on: March 23, 2011, 09:22:03 AM »
if you don't like the war powers act get rid of it until then stop crying about it :'( :'( :'(

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #18 on: March 23, 2011, 09:23:27 AM »
if you don't like the war powers act get rid of it until then stop crying about it :'( :'( :'(

What facts have you stated? You completely embarrassed yourself in this thread as you completely misread and manipulated the wording. James had to bitch-slap you back into reality.

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #19 on: March 23, 2011, 09:27:44 AM »
What facts have you stated? You completely embarrassed yourself in this thread as you completely misread and manipulated the wording. James had to bitch-slap you back into reality.
 


wrong again ;D

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2011, 09:30:25 AM »
 


wrong again ;D

You tried to be witty and intelligent when you're clearly not and ended up shooting yourself in the foot.


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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2011, 09:33:12 AM »
explain ed our getbig nerd

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #22 on: March 23, 2011, 09:33:46 AM »
explain ed our getbig nerd

blacken why do you support obamas new war?

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2011, 09:35:13 AM »
i don't ,but  what he did wasn't illegal

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Re: Biden: Impeachment should be authorized for attacks w/o Cong. approval!
« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2011, 09:53:50 AM »
So, is "consulting with congress" the same as "letting them know" ?