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G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether
« on: March 25, 2011, 10:25:06 AM »
And we are going to let companies like this make unlimited donations to senators, congressmen and presidential candidates?


http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html

G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether


The company reported worldwide profits of $14.2 billion, and said $5.1 billion of the total came from its operations in the United States.

Its American tax bill? None. In fact, G.E. claimed a tax benefit of $3.2 billion.

That may be hard to fathom for the millions of American business owners and households now preparing their own returns, but low taxes are nothing new for G.E. The company has been cutting the percentage of its American profits paid to the Internal Revenue Service for years, resulting in a far lower rate than at most multinational companies.

Its extraordinary success is based on an aggressive strategy that mixes fierce lobbying for tax breaks and innovative accounting that enables it to concentrate its profits offshore. G.E.’s giant tax department, led by a bow-tied former Treasury official named John Samuels, is often referred to as the world’s best tax law firm. Indeed, the company’s slogan “Imagination at Work” fits this department well. The team includes former officials not just from the Treasury, but also from the I.R.S. and virtually all the tax-writing committees in Congress.

While General Electric is one of the most skilled at reducing its tax burden, many other companies have become better at this as well. Although the top corporate tax rate in the United States is 35 percent, one of the highest in the world, companies have been increasingly using a maze of shelters, tax credits and subsidies to pay far less.

In a regulatory filing just a week before the Japanese disaster put a spotlight on the company’s nuclear reactor business, G.E. reported that its tax burden was 7.4 percent of its American profits, about a third of the average reported by other American multinationals. Even those figures are overstated, because they include taxes that will be paid only if the company brings its overseas profits back to the United States. With those profits still offshore, G.E. is effectively getting money back.

Such strategies, as well as changes in tax laws that encouraged some businesses and professionals to file as individuals, have pushed down the corporate share of the nation’s tax receipts — from 30 percent of all federal revenue in the mid-1950s to 6.6 percent in 2009.

Yet many companies say the current level is so high it hobbles them in competing with foreign rivals. Even as the government faces a mounting budget deficit, the talk in Washington is about lower rates. President Obama has said he is considering an overhaul of the corporate tax system, with an eye to lowering the top rate, ending some tax subsidies and loopholes and generating the same amount of revenue. He has designated G.E.’s chief executive, Jeffrey R. Immelt, as his liaison to the business community and as the chairman of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, and it is expected to discuss corporate taxes.

“He understands what it takes for America to compete in the global economy,” Mr. Obama said of Mr. Immelt, on his appointment in January, after touring a G.E. factory in upstate New York that makes turbines and generators for sale around the world.

A review of company filings and Congressional records shows that one of the most striking advantages of General Electric is its ability to lobby for, win and take advantage of tax breaks.

Over the last decade, G.E. has spent tens of millions of dollars to push for changes in tax law, from more generous depreciation schedules on jet engines to “green energy” credits for its wind turbines. But the most lucrative of these measures allows G.E. to operate a vast leasing and lending business abroad with profits that face little foreign taxes and no American taxes as long as the money remains overseas.

Company officials say that these measures are necessary for G.E. to compete against global rivals and that they are acting as responsible citizens. “G.E. is committed to acting with integrity in relation to our tax obligations,” said Anne Eisele, a spokeswoman. “We are committed to complying with tax rules and paying all legally obliged taxes. At the same time, we have a responsibility to our shareholders to legally minimize our costs.”

The assortment of tax breaks G.E. has won in Washington has provided a significant short-term gain for the company’s executives and shareholders. While the financial crisis led G.E. to post a loss in the United States in 2009, regulatory filings show that in the last five years, G.E. has accumulated $26 billion in American profits, and received a net tax benefit from the I.R.S. of $4.1 billion.

But critics say the use of so many shelters amounts to corporate welfare, allowing G.E. not just to avoid taxes on profitable overseas lending but also to amass tax credits and write-offs that can be used to reduce taxes on billions of dollars of profit from domestic manufacturing. They say that the assertive tax avoidance of multinationals like G.E. not only shortchanges the Treasury, but also harms the economy by discouraging investment and hiring in the United States.

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Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether
« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2011, 10:36:58 AM »
Sad really, for everyone but GE shareholders. 
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2011, 10:45:06 AM »
Sad really, for everyone but GE shareholders. 

This is what this country is turning into IMO, and country ruled by corporations. 

No more middle class, no more small business. 

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Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether
« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2011, 10:48:08 AM »
Given that GE sells to Iranian shitbags, you'd think politicians would avoid the money.

Yea, I know - Dreaming....

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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2011, 10:52:09 AM »
Sad really, for everyone but GE shareholders. 

More money for Immelt to give to Bama.

Immelt traveled with Bama to Brazil remember?



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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2011, 11:29:57 AM »
More money for Immelt to give to Bama.

Immelt traveled with Bama to Brazil remember?



HOPE & CHANGE!   

You are the last person to talk about corporations and their donations/ties to government.  YOU support corporations being able to give unlimited amounts to political parties and funding attack ads etc, you support the stupid idea of corporate personhood.  So please STFU on issues like this.  You are for this type of rubbish not against it.  Don't pretend now.
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2011, 12:36:55 PM »
You are the last person to talk about corporations and their donations/ties to government.  YOU support corporations being able to give unlimited amounts to political parties and funding attack ads etc, you support the stupid idea of corporate personhood.  So please STFU on issues like this.  You are for this type of rubbish not against it.  Don't pretend now.

you gotta wonder.......

What's 3333's tune gonna be when a large collection agency start undercutting his biz?

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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2011, 12:39:26 PM »
you gotta wonder.......

What's 3333's tune gonna be when a large collection agency start undercutting his biz?

There are plentythat do.   Price alone is not what counts in what i do.   

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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2011, 12:42:16 PM »
There are plentythat do.   Price alone is not what counts in what i do.   

Yeah, no doubt.  That's why i am still with farmer's insurance instead of Gieco.

Wait until some company lobbies representatives in you state to pass requirements for collection agencies such outrageous licensing fees and you are driven out of business.

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« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2011, 12:51:58 PM »
I can't blame GE.  We would all avoid paying taxes if we could.  Large companies and wealthy people have the manpower and finances to make it happen.

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« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2011, 12:54:02 PM »
Yeah, no doubt.  That's why i am still with farmer's insurance instead of Gieco.

Wait until some company lobbies representatives in you state to pass requirements for collection agencies such outrageous licensing fees and you are driven out of business.

Never know what will happen.       

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« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2011, 01:13:30 PM »
This is what this country is turning into IMO, and country ruled by corporations. 

No more middle class, no more small business. 

that is the essence of the Republican agenda (though they know it won't endear them to 95% of the voters so they won't explicity say it in public)  and if there is any party actually intent on collapsing the nation it's the Repubs.

Grover Norquist tries to get every Repub to sign a pledge not to raise taxes and his fantasy is starve the goverment of resources to the point that he can drown it in a bathtub (his creepyw words not mine)

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"I don't want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub."

http://www.atr.org/taxpayer-protection-pledge-a2882#

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« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2011, 01:15:48 PM »
that is the essence of the Republican agenda (though they know it won't endear them to 95% of the voters so they won't explicity say it in public)  and if there is any party actually intent on collapsing the nation it's the Repubs.

Grover Norquist tries to get every Repub to sign a pledge not to raise taxes and his fantasy is starve the goverment of resources to the point that he can drown it in a bathtub (his creepyw words not mine)

http://www.atr.org/taxpayer-protection-pledge-a2882#

Methinks you should look at Obama's recent appointment of Jeffrey Immelt. Oh, that's right, Mr. "Post Office is doing fine" can't accept the reality that Obama, his lord and savior, and the Dems are as big of scumbags as the Republicans he hates. ::)


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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2011, 01:16:38 PM »
Straw Man bringing the dumb as usual.    GE and obama are wedded at the hip, same with GS, JPM, etc yet you still support him and shill for his admn.  


go figure.      

  

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« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2011, 01:18:01 PM »
Straw Man bringing the dumb as usual.    GE and obama are wedded at the hip, same with GS, JPM, etc yet you still support him and shill for his admn.  


go figure.      

  

Don't be too rough on him. After all, he also thinks the post office is doing fine and that George Washington was as liberal as he is.

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« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2011, 01:50:53 PM »
BUMP for straw to defend and reconcile his statement and his continue support of obama.   

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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2011, 02:07:13 PM »
Methinks you should look at Obama's recent appointment of Jeffrey Immelt. Oh, that's right, Mr. "Post Office is doing fine" can't accept the reality that Obama, his lord and savior, and the Dems are as big of scumbags as the Republicans he hates. ::)

don't quote me unless you're going to be accurate

what's your problem with Immelt

try to keep it short and concise and use your own words

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Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether
« Reply #17 on: March 25, 2011, 02:11:53 PM »
I can't blame GE.  We would all avoid paying taxes if we could.  Large companies and wealthy people have the manpower and finances to make it happen.

Off course you can these people should be shoot

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« Reply #18 on: March 25, 2011, 02:15:13 PM »

While General Electric is one of the most skilled at reducing its tax burden, many other companies have become better at this as well. Although the top corporate tax rate in the United States is 35 percent, one of the highest in the world, companies have been increasingly using a maze of shelters, tax credits and subsidies to pay far less.


This is where most corporations get hit.  We need to reduce the corporate tax rate. 

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« Reply #19 on: March 25, 2011, 02:45:53 PM »
This is where most corporations get hit.  We need to reduce the corporate tax rate. 

Why?  When companies like GE can not pay at all? 

If our tax rate for corporations is 35% then what is it really with all the loop holes?


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« Reply #20 on: March 25, 2011, 02:47:56 PM »
Why?  When companies like GE can not pay at all? 

If our tax rate for corporations is 35% then what is it really with all the loop holes?



Because increased costs of doing business, including higher taxes, gets passed right along to the consumer.  We suffer.   


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« Reply #21 on: March 25, 2011, 02:51:18 PM »
Because increased costs of doing business, including higher taxes, gets passed right along to the consumer.  We suffer.   

nonsense

increased costs can not automatically be passed along to the customer

they can try but ultimately if they raise prices too high the customers will make alternate choices

if this were not the case then every company that was faced with rising costs would never go out of busines or see their bottom line effected and we all know that's not true

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« Reply #22 on: March 25, 2011, 02:52:10 PM »
Because increased costs of doing business, including higher taxes, gets passed right along to the consumer.  We suffer.   



The cost of doing business in this country is already insanely high.   To further burden companies will send them overseas.   

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Re: G.E.’s Strategies Let It Avoid Taxes Altogether
« Reply #23 on: March 25, 2011, 02:53:53 PM »
Fri Mar 25, 11:24 am ET
G.E. paid no taxes on $5.1 billion in profits
By Brett Michael Dykes

As Washington worries about the United States' growing deficit problem, there's mounting evidence the government is failing to collect taxes from wealthy individuals and corporations. A piece in today's New York Times by David Kocieniewski outlines how G.E. skirted paying any taxes on $5.1 billion in profits in 2010--in addition to claiming a $3.2 billion tax credit.

The main reason G.E. is so adept at avoiding paying taxes, Kocieniewski writes, is because it's compiled an all-star team of in-house tax professionals plucked from the Internal Revenue Service, the Treasury Department, and "virtually all the tax-writing committees in Congress."

G.E.-- whose slogan is "Imagination at Work"-- has in-house, Kocieniewski writes, what is considered by many to be the best tax law firm in the world. Their secret to success is a familiar one, though G.E. appears to have perfected it: "fierce lobbying for tax breaks and innovative accounting that enables it to concentrate its profits offshore."


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« Reply #24 on: March 25, 2011, 02:56:19 PM »
yea that's pretty rough G.E. paid no taxes on $5.1 billion in profits i can see them wanting to go over seas  ;D