People, people.. 
Those of you saying that its basically impossible to gain a decent amount of size using no or very little hormones are dead wrong. And its very obvious the people with that opinion obviously haven't spent enough time lifting heavy ass weights in the gym either. They are the lesser individuals that lacked discipline and determination to grow, gave up natural training rather quickly out of impatience and despair, resorted to AAS right away and now are bitter and jealous of anyone who did what they were unable to do. Put your time in the gym (10 years+) with plenty of milk and food and size will come.
However, once you have used AAS its fairly easy to maintain a decent amount of the size you gained from using it, even years later with minimal maintenance training. Running hormones 1 or 2 months of the year has its advantages too but only if you keep training hard with lots of food which can sometimes seem like a waste of time. Muscle memory goes a long way too!
Visually, AAS gives muscles a certain quality that has a certain look to it that always stands out, so i'm surprised with all gh15s so called "experience" he doesnt have the ability to tell that Groink is not currently using hormones. Its as plain as day to see hes not.
look,, this posting above is rubbish
most serious bodybuild been to gym for 5-10 years some even more,,yes it is possible to build OK size as in 180lb 10% naturally ,,you will never be able to built anything better than 1 8 0 lb around 10% and i am not talking about no 5'7 here,,im talkin 5'9 5'10....so yes you can build some size ,,respectable size naturally that iwll put you insted of the average moron 165lb 8% ..it will put you 180lb 8-10% ,,thats it thats what you can build truly naturally ,,and you can go to gym day in day out ,,breaks no breaks eat your mama and papa ,,eat everything your granny cook ,,live with her and your parents do nothing but lifting,,ruin your social life,,do nothing but bodybuild,,be jobless and still NATURALLY truly naturally you will be standing 1 8 0 lb 10% and this is fellas with GOOD GENETICS! and with decent frames! that are very strong and lift for many years,,they all stuck naturaly at those numbers after 3-5 years of lifting naturally
i want you to read the above as many times as possible because this is REALITY AND THIS IS THE ABSOLIT TRUTH,,IF YOU DO SEE A FELLA 187LB 5'7 AND A HALF ...AND HE IS NATURALLY OR IF HE IS 196.5LB 5'8 AND NATURALLY THEY WILL ALWAYS BE HIGHER BODYFAT AS IN 15+ percent and in most cases EVEN THEY BEEN TO HORMONES IN THE PAST WHEN THEY TRIED TO BECOME A BODYBUILD AND GAVE UP MOMENT THEY SAW THEY ONLY GOT TO LOCAL LEVEL EVENTHOUGH THEY WERE ALREADY CYCLING AND JUST COULDNT KEEP WITH WHAT IT TAKE TO GET TO THE TOP... they usually give up on hormones because they say they dont have the genetics...in reality they didnt have the time on hormones needed and the discipline and ability to actually walk around 190lb 6% inorder to grow to 220lb 8% later on...and from there to 245lb 10% ...etc etc but true 10% at 245 not some fella that claim 10% and actualy 15-20% at 245lb... by the way for the last number i said 245 10% you wil HAVE TO USE GH AND INSULIN AND NOT IN SMALL DOSES,,IM TALKING HERE FINISH 10 IU VIALS ON REGULAR BASIS AND PUTTING THAT SLIN IN YOU ON A REGULAR BASIS..OFCOURSE YOUR PHYSIQE WILL SMOOTHEN UP AND YOU WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SHOW ENOUGH DETAIL LIKE TRUE NATURALS OR ONLY AAS USERS WITH MINIMAL GH USE THAT GO ON STAGE....THEY ALWAYS LOOK BETTER! because no insulin and thus less fat from within the muscle but this is a diff subject for another time
now since i dont want to write 5 postings here i will say what i think about groink here,,i will say exactly how it is and what it is,,since i actually watched the video now i didnt know there was vide,,
when you take a look at groink the first thing a real pro could tell is that this is a physiqe that is thick but lack sculpting ,,why? because groink still havent used hgh real hgh on a regular basis to create this sculpting im talking about,,
what a professional can tell is that his physiqe is SCREAMING testosterona ,,and by screaming i mean a....this fella is on good dose of testosterona ,,this is his culprit for his thickness,,now the thickness is not very quality if you notice the chest is very weak very very weak ,,and the skin is bloated but not gh bloat but testosterona bloat,,yes he is not 18% he is much less he is closer to 10% but! there is severe lack of detail mainly due to water retention as a result of LONGER ESTER TESTOSTERONA INTAKE AND RELAIBALE ON THAT TYPE OF TESTOSTERONA,,im talking here UNDERGROUND TESTOSTERONA NOT ONLY HUMAN GRADE BUT IN GENERAL LEGIT TESTOSTERONA,,the easiest way is to just get underground legit testosterona because it is dosed now day 350 400 sometime even 500 mg per cc ....so it is not much injections....
now, the skin is thick as i said from testosterona usage NOT FROM FAT!,, when you look at the lats from the back the upper part,,from both sides of the tank top you can actually see the bloofiness im talking about that is created from too much testosterona androgenic prospects,, when you look at the delt they are not as good as arms but yet present the thickness level ONLY hormonized lifter can hold especially at 5'9 and 5'10 ,,you dont get that thick from the side with out usage of hormones specifically testosterona...
so my conclusion with out a doubt this fella is on testosterona as culprit ,,it is in the blood on regular basis,,he is not lookign like he has much of the trenbolona masterona all those things,,he is very basic ,,testosterona and in a high enough dose to be able to maintain the thickness and mass,,again inorder to go on stage he need to lose quite a bit in this pic it is at the least 40lb and preferably being on hgh while doing it,,
his big advatage are his triceps ,,it will have wicked shape on stage,,and his arms in general will truly mesure 18 inch ON STAGE ,, this is his strong points and those are are indded big and indded better than many bodybuilder at the locla level,,
thats it
gh15 approved
