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3333 you are getting your ass kicked by Obama hands down!!!...the economy is getting better...people are beginning to hire again...unemployment is down...these are gov't statistics..NOT Obama's..admit your ass kicking so we can retire this thread

Not really.

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3333 you are getting your ass kicked by Obama hands down!!!...the economy is getting better...people are beginning to hire again...unemployment is down...these are gov't statistics..NOT Obama's..admit your ass kicking so we can retire this thread

Gallup, an UNBIASED organization, says unemployment is still over 10%. The only people who think that constitutes a recovery are morons like you. ::)

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Tue., Apr. 12, 2011, 12:54 AM 
Faux job numbers could lead to real trouble
By JOHN CRUDELE

Last Updated: 12:54 AM, April 12, 2011
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/faux_job_numbers_could_lead_to_real_3zKnIS84fd4XYOLbEK48GL



Posted: 12:00 AM, April 12, 2011

Deception is a dangerous thing. You never really know when a lie may turn on you.

Take, for instance, the Labor Department's annual springtime boost in the faux jobs market. While it's nice that the government thinks there is an employment boom coming, this won't be a good development if that boom turns out to be imaginary yet still causes the Federal Reserve to prematurely tighten credit conditions.

Let's start from the beginning.

Early this month Labor reported that 216,000 new jobs were created in March. It was better than Wall Street expected.

But the figure included 117,000 jobs that the department thinks, but can't prove, were created by newly formed companies that might not even exist. In fact, the department is getting so optimistic about the labor market that it increased this imaginary job count from just 81,000 in March, 2010.

As I've been telling you for months, the spring always causes the Labor Department to goose its job-creation numbers. And maybe sometime in the future this process will be warranted. But during 2009 and 2010 these springtime assumptions -- which are officially called the Birth/Death Model by Labor -- led to major errors in the annual job count.

The next three months should be doozies. In April 2010, the Labor Department guessed that 188,000 jobs were created by these newly formed, maybe nonexistent companies; last May's total job number was jacked up by a 215,000 guess, and June got an artificial boost of 147,000 jobs.

This year, Labor will likely be inserting even bigger faux job totals for each of those three months.

In other words, you still might not be able to get a job in the real world, but there should be plenty of fake jobs for the newspapers to write about and the politicians to brag about in speeches. Why should you care?

If you are just a regular person reading this column you should be appalled that Washington has trouble getting its numbers right. But wait, there's more.

Interest rates have already been rising because (and I don't need to tell you this) inflation is a problem. Mortgage rates, for instance, have moved three-quarters of a percentage point higher over the past six months. And that's without the Federal Reserve purposely tightening credit conditions.

The next three months' job figures -- if they are as strong as I think they will be -- could give the Fed a compelling reason to, at the very least, end the money-printing operation it calls Quantitative Easing. And it may even have to start talking about raising interest rates.

That won't be good news for either bonds or stocks, the latter of which have been on a truly unbelievable ride upward. Remember the first investment advice you received (probably from your mom or dad): if it's too good to be true, be suspicious.

It's gonna get exciting especially when you see what happens by summer. (But that's for a future column.)

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Is the federal government like one of those hoarders you see on TV?

It buys into projects and programs (resulting in a clutter of $12 trillion in debt) but is pained when it needs to get rid of just $39 billion of those programs.

The government is a mess -- just like the homes you see on TV. And the picture isn't going to get any prettier when someone, at some time, tries to get the government's house in order.

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Home sales are still plunging, and prices are going down, down, down.

Well, maybe it's time to listen to John (that would be me). Change the rules on retirement plans so the American people can rescue the ailing real estate industry, which, by the way, will take a decade to fix if left on its own.

Let people withdraw a relatively small percentage of the $15 trillion in retirement funds to purchase real estate. Give them a tax break -- maybe even a big one.

And smack Wall Street down when it voices the inevitable opposition to this plan. (Remember, the money I'm proposing to be used for this idea is now in retirement plans mainly invested in Wall Street products.)

Maybe it is time for a plan that's reasonable and doesn't risk bankrupting the nation or ruining our currency.

Ya know, I'm just thinking out loud.

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How hilarious is it that Mayor Bloomberg thinks last year's census wildly undercounted the number of people who live in New York!

I spent column after column last Fall report ing how ridiculously badly the census was being handled through out the country. Census workers wrote in from all over to tell me how crazy the operation was. People taking the tally in New York said it was the most disorganized operation they had ever seen.

So, why would a miscount surprise the mayor?

But he's asking that things be corrected now! Why didn't he speak up when the census was still being done? Sorry, Mr. Bloomberg, you snooze, you lose federal funds.

jcrudele@nypost.com




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Gallup, an UNBIASED organization, says unemployment is still over 10%. The only people who think that constitutes a recovery are morons like you. ::)


the funny thing is that government statistics were good enough for you WHEN THEY SAID UNEMPLOYMENT WAS OVER 10% AND MADE OBAMA LOOK BAD...now all of a sudden you want to use statistics from other sources because government statics give Obama a boost...KEEP OWNING YOURSELF WITH YOUR HYPOCRISY..I love it!!!!

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Jobless Claims Unexpectedly Rise; Inflation Pressure Grows (+400,000 claims)
CNBC ^ | Thursday April 14, 2011




New claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly rose last week, bouncing back above the key 400,000 level, while core producer prices clumbed faster than expected in March, government reports showed on Thursday.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits rose 27,000 to a seasonally adjusted 412,000, the Labor Department said.


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More Americans leaving workforce
By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY
Updated 8h 37m ago |
Roll over each state to see the share of the population working in 2010:
http://www.usatoday.com/money/economy/employment/2011-04-13-more-americans-leave-labor-force.htm?loc=interstitialskip#




Sources: USA TODAY, Census, Bureau of Labor StatisticsThe share of the population that is working fell to its lowest level last year since women started entering the workforce in large numbers three decades ago, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

Only 45.4% of Americans had jobs in 2010, the lowest rate since 1983 and down from a peak of 49.3% in 2000. Last year, just 66.8% of men had jobs, the lowest on record.

The bad economy, an aging population and a plateau in women working are contributing to changes that pose serious challenges for financing the nation's social programs.

MORE: American workforce growing grayer

"What's wrong with the economy may be speeding up trends that are already happening," says Marc Goldwein, policy director of the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget, a non-partisan group favoring smaller deficits.

For example, job troubles appear to have slowed a trend of people working later in life, putting more pressure on Social Security, he says.

Another change: the bulk of those not working has shifted from children to adults.

In 2000, the nation had roughly the same number of children and non-working adults. Since then, the population of non-working adults has grown 27 million while the nation added just 3 million children under 18.

USA TODAY analyzed employment numbers and 2010 Census data to see how the ratio of workers to non-workers has changed.

Other key findings:

•Men leave. Working-age men have been dropping out of the labor force for decades. The disappearance quickened when construction and manufacturing jobs vanished in the recession from December 2007 through June 2009. Until the 1960s, more than 80% of men worked.

•Women stay. The trend of women getting jobs offset the loss of working men until the late 1990s. The share of women holding jobs rose from 36% in 1960 to 57% in 1995, then leveled off. The rate was 56% in 2010.

The aging of 77 million Baby Boomers born from 1946 through 1964 from children to workers to retirees is changing the relationship between workers and dependents.

Retirees generally are more costly to support than children.

The average public school education costs $10,000 a year. The average retiree gets $25,000 a year in benefits — $13,000 in Social Security and Medicare benefits of $12,000.

In all, taxpayers will spend about $125,000 educating a child and $500,000 caring for a senior, in today's dollars at current life expectancies, according to federal education and retirement program data. The costs are paid differently, too. State and local governments, through sales and property taxes, pay most education expenses. The federal government, though income taxes, pays most retiree costs.

"No matter how wealthy you are, you have a problem if half the population is not working and depending on those who are," says John Goodman, president of the conservative National Center for Policy Analysis. "Wherever you look, we've overpromised."

Economist Eileen Applebaum of the liberal Center for Economics and Policy Research says the real problem is a lack of jobs. Another 25 million people would work in a healthy economy, and incentives such as child care assistance could help, she says: "We're getting richer. We can afford things. We just need to fix what needs to be fixed."

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Jobless Claims Unexpectedly Rise; Inflation Pressure Grows (+400,000 claims)
CNBC ^ | Thursday April 14, 2011




New claims for unemployment benefits unexpectedly rose last week, bouncing back above the key 400,000 level, while core producer prices climbed faster than expected in March, government reports showed on Thursday.

Initial claims for state unemployment benefits rose 27,000 to a seasonally adjusted 412,000, the Labor Department said.


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Everyone on here but a few we rent surprised to hear that unemployment benefits would "unexpectedly" rise again but what is more important is the bolded part. There have warning signs for over a year about prices going up so who wasn't surprised to know this was coming except andre or is this something he believes is part of the success plan?

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The ostriches on this sight like Benny, Mal, Andre, Straw, Blacken, etc are still utterly clueless as to reality.   We warned them a long time ago but they are still under the unfluence of bama' date rape drug.

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The title of this thread should be changed to 3333'S ASS-KICKING OF ANDREISDAFAG CONTINUES....

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The title of this thread should be changed to 3333'S ASS-KICKING OF ANDREISDAFAG CONTINUES....

my. my aren't we getting a little testy when Obama is on top? ;)

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my. my aren't we getting a little testy when Obama is on top? ;)

Take your meds, please.

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the funny thing is that government statistics were good enough for you WHEN THEY SAID UNEMPLOYMENT WAS OVER 10% AND MADE OBAMA LOOK BAD...now all of a sudden you want to use statistics from other sources because government statics give Obama a boost...KEEP OWNING YOURSELF WITH YOUR HYPOCRISY..I love it!!!!

Andre I seriously feel bad for you. Unlike most of the libs on this website, I don't think that you are a piece of human garbage. I just think that you are hopelessly naive and delusional. When the government statistics said 10%+, other non-governmental entities without political leanings clocked unemployment at around 12-16%. We are also not including the underemployed and those who simply decided to stop looking for work. If those groups were factored in, we would be looking at a figure that is around 20% of the US population.

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More people leaving the workforce, ue claims jumping, inflation all around, etc, yeah real recovery. 

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Andre I seriously feel bad for you. Unlike most of the libs on this website, I don't think that you are a piece of human garbage. I just think that you are hopelessly naive and delusional. When the government statistics said 10%+, other non-governmental entities without political leanings clocked unemployment at around 12-16%. We are also not including the underemployed and those who simply decided to stop looking for work. If those groups were factored in, we would be looking at a figure that is around 20% of the US population.

my point isn't about the statistics..they may be right , they may be wrong..my point is that the conservatives on here used those very same statistics from the very same sources to denigrate Obama when unemployment was over 10%..now those same statistics from those same sources aren't good enough and are part of a vast government conspiracy to make Obama look good.....I am just exposing the hypocrisy on here thats all I am doing

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More people leaving the workforce, ue claims jumping, inflation all around, etc, yeah real recovery. 

after every single depression or downturn in the economy people leave the workforce.....you're not saying anything new..I guess thats Obama's fault as well?

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after every single depression or downturn in the economy people leave the workforce.....you're not saying anything new..I guess thats Obama's fault as well?

No, it's just that those that have fallen off the 99week U.E. insurance and have stopped looking for work aren't counted. When people leave the labor pool they aren't counted. So you have 2-2.5 million people who are simply ghosts and aren't counted in the final tallies, at least for U-3. So that 8.8% number is missing several million people who would be counted as unemployed. That puts the true U.E. at around 10% as Gallup stated.

As I've said before, the numbers and their meaning are all there, right in front of you. To simply look at the 8.8% number or the 216k number and say "yep, all is well, all is fine!" and disregard everything else is simply foolish.

No one is making the B/D model up, or U-6 or the Labor Force Participation %, or the underemployed #'s or anything else, they are there in plain sight...we see them and can tell that the end numbers are flawed and skewed. We see that, why don't you?

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No, it's just that those that have fallen off the 99week U.E. insurance and have stopped looking for work aren't counted. When people leave the labor pool they aren't counted. So you have 2-2.5 million people who are simply ghosts and aren't counted in the final tallies, at least for U-3. So that 8.8% number is missing several million people who would be counted as unemployed. That puts the true U.E. at around 10% as Gallup stated.

As I've said before, the numbers and their meaning are all there, right in front of you. To simply look at the 8.8% number or the 216k number and say "yep, all is well, all is fine!" and disregard everything else is simply foolish.

No one is making the B/D model up, or U-6 or the Labor Force Participation %, or the underemployed #'s or anything else, they are there in plain sight...we see them and can tell that the end numbers are flawed and skewed. We see that, why don't you?



I agree with this...but my point is why are the statistics ACCURATE and quoted here by conservatives when they are bad and make Obama look bad but all of sudden are NOT ACCURATE when they make Obama look good..still waiting for an answer on that and everyone refuses to answer because it shatters their credibility

THE OWNERSHIP CONTINUES!!!!

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I agree with this...but my point is why are the statistics ACCURATE and quoted here by conservatives when they are bad and make Obama look bad but all of sudden are NOT ACCURATE when they make Obama look good..still waiting for an answer on that and everyone refuses to answer because it shatters their credibility

THE OWNERSHIP CONTINUES!!!!

That is a point..but i think that comes more from the peanut gallery (like 333) than officials

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That is a point..but i think that comes more from the peanut gallery (like 333) than officials

thats my point...I've seen people on here accuse the government of a conspiracy to fix the numbers in Obama's favor to make him look good....you must be crazy to believe that....

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thats my point...I've seen people on here accuse the government of a conspiracy to fix the numbers in Obama's favor to make him look good....you must be crazy to believe that....

You think Obama is the only one? The government is continually changing the criteria to make whoever is on power look good. don't believe me? look how the count has evolved over time
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Workforce is least amount since 1983.  What does that tell you? 

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403K Initial Claims WorseThan Consensus Again, Down From As Always Upwardly Revised 416K
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As always happens, the BLS revised last week's non-credible mega miss even worse, from 412K to 416K. As for this week, the number will end up being worse than 403K, which is what was reported for this week, to be revised upward to 406K or so next week. This is (and will be) much higher than the expected 390K.

And so Tim Geithner has to start his latest "Welcome to the Recovery - edition 2011" draft from scratch. Continuing claims also were well above expectations, printing 20K over consensus at 3,695K. Last week's number of 3,680K was revised, gee, higher to 3,702K.

And just as importantly those hitting the 99 week cliff seem to be accelerating: those on EUCs dropped 24K, while people on extended benefits declined by 47K. Total number of persons claiming benefits across all programs dropped by 217K in the week ended April 2.

And so the Yen carry trade unwinds once again: the USDJPY just plunged to 81.72.

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I agree with this...but my point is why are the statistics ACCURATE and quoted here by conservatives when they are bad and make Obama look bad but all of sudden are NOT ACCURATE when they make Obama look good..still waiting for an answer on that and everyone refuses to answer because it shatters their credibility

THE OWNERSHIP CONTINUES!!!!

That's the point you keep misisng. The stats DON'T make Obama look good. That's like saying because the Detroit Lions went from 0-16 to 2-14, and from 2-14 to 3-13, their front office is really kicking @$$, with their GM and coaching picks.

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You think Obama is the only one? The government is continually changing the criteria to make whoever is on power look good. don't believe me? look how the count has evolved over time

Excellent point.

And that goes for U.E., Inflation, GDP etc

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http://www.zerohedge.com/article/q1-gdp-prints-18-misses-consensus-20-plunges-31-q4-initial-claims-surge]http://www.zerohedge.com/article/q1-gdp-prints-18-misses-consensus-20-plunges-31-q4-initial-claims-surge[/b]
Key highlights:

US GDP Price Index (Q1 A) Q/Q 1.9% vs. Exp. 2.3% (Prev. 0.4%)
US PCE Core (Q1 A) Q/Q 1.5% vs. Exp. 1.4% (Prev. 0.4)
US Personal Consumption (Q1 A) Q/Q 2.7% vs. Exp. 2.0% (Prev. 4.0%)
and the kicker:

US Initial Jobless Claims (Apr 23) W/W 429K vs. Exp. 395K (Prev. 403K)
Nobody could have predicted the economic devastation (even as inflation surges). Nobody. And certain not the wise oracles at the Federal Reserve.
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Jobless claims surge up to 429k on expectations of 395k and up from a previous print of 403k.---NOT GOOD

GDP at 1.8% on expectations of 2% and down from 3.1%---NOT GOOD.

Inflation UP

Consumption DOWN

---Not good, not good at all.