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Don't Christians believe the bible is the word if god?


Not making a counter argument in favor of Islam, Muslims, radical extrmeist, here.

So you're saying the Koran supersedes the Bible because Mohammed claimed it came from Allah?

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So you're saying the Koran supersedes the Bible because Mohammed claimed it came from Allah?

No, how did you conclude that from my post?

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No, how did you conclude that from my post?

I didn't. I'm just trolling.

Someone on another forum summed it up these MSNBC clowns better than I could:

"All Christians hold that the Bible was written by men under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. None believe that its authorship is solely human. These two, however, use the word “transcribe” to imply that no humans touched the Koran in the same way they touched the Bible.

Even worse, they impute divinity to the Koran so that the bound pages that comprise the sum total of the book are God himself, which is patently absurd. To attribute any kind of divinity to the book itself, whether new or used, is nothing less than idolatry, or Koranolatry, if you will. It is worshipping the creation rather than the creator and is proof that Islam worships a book, not a god, unless, of course, these two idiots want to concede that the Koran is God, in which case there’s really no reason to pursue this any further."

It's a stupid fucking argument and a ridiculous claim to make. This babying of fanatical Muslims needs to stop.

Why are we even entertaining the idea of making excuses for people who chopped innocent heads off and killed 10+ others? Is that what this world has come to? Muslims have free reign to kill at will anytime it can be argued that they were "slighted".

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The left always makes excuses for these murderous savages. 

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Inside the Massacre at Afghan Compound

MAZAR-E-SHARIF, Afghanistan—Officials are painting the weekend killings at the United Nations mission in northern Afghanistan's largest city—which sparked cascading violence across the nation—as the handiwork of a small band of insurgents that used a protest against a Quran-burning as cover for a murderous plot.

But a Wall Street Journal reconstruction of Friday's assault, based on unreleased videos, interviews with demonstrators and the U.N.'s own recounting of events, shows a more complex picture and indicates that ordinary Afghan demonstrators played a critical role in the attack.

Stirred to action by a Quran-burning at a Florida church, thousands of people swarmed past hapless Afghan police officers, heading toward a lightly protected U.N. compound. There, members of the tight-knit staff had been paying little attention to the angry protest unfolding at the city's central mosque.

Mazar-e-Sharif has long been considered one of the safest cities in Afghanistan. So the diverse U.N. staff—including a female Norwegian fighter pilot, a seasoned Russian diplomat and German woman who had been at the mission for only a week or so—took few precautions even when the mob converged on their compound, burned an American flag and threw stones at the blast walls.

By sunset, seven U.N. workers were dead. In the ensuing days, demonstrations cascaded across Afghanistan, claiming more lives Saturday and Sunday in Kandahar, far to the south.

Based on interviews with survivors, Staffan de Mistura, head of the U.N. mission in Afghanistan, concluded that a handful of insurgents—including Afghans with accents suggesting they came from other parts of the country—spearheaded Friday's attack on a safe room in the compound.

The rioting, which the Taliban say erupted spontaneously, adds a disturbing new threat in a country that is fighting a mostly rural insurgency. Foreign and local military forces alike are ill-prepared for riot control.

"Every security-force leader's worst nightmare is being confronted by essentially a mob," said Gen. David Petraeus, the commander of 150,000 U.S.-led coalition forces, in an interview Sunday, "especially [a mob] that can be influenced by individuals that want to incite violence, who want to try to hijack passions, in this case, perhaps understandable passions."

The Quran-burning, held March 20 at the Dove World Outreach Center by church leader Terry Jones in Gainesville, Fla., was "hateful, extremely disrespectful and enormously intolerant," Gen. Petraeus said.

Mr. Jones called Gen. Petraeus' remarks "unconstitutional" and disputed that his actions complicate U.S. efforts to fight the Taliban. "I do not necessarily think that our actions make his job more difficult," he said in an interview Sunday. "The Taliban or radical Islam will use any excuse to incite more violence. If they don't have one, they will make up an excuse."

Friday, thousands of people gathered in Mazar-e-Sharif's revered Blue Mosque. Speaker after speaker denounced the Quran-burning, which for Muslims is abhorrent because Islam teaches that the physical book is holy.

"Stand up against the enemies of the Quran with your pen," one of the men shouted from the podium, videos show. "Stand up against them with your voices. Stand up against them with weapons. It is everyone's right to stand up against them and make a jihad."

The protesters then surprised police by pouring into the street and marching toward the U.N. office, more than a mile away. At one point, according to videos reviewed by the Journal, the badly outnumbered police tried to use a six-foot wood beam to hold back the crowd. The protesters easily surged past.

Only about 60 police were deployed, and they appeared uncertain how to respond. Initial attempts to disperse the crowd by firing warning shots appeared only to inflame the demonstrators. The besieged U.N. staffers headed to two safe rooms intended to shield against intruders and bombs.

They phoned for help from the nearby military bases of German and Swedish forces, according to a person briefed on the situation. The U.S.-led military said the situation "escalated rapidly" and that a swift-reaction team didn't arrive until after rioters were gone.

Once demonstrators flooded the compound, a dozen Afghan police guards—the first line of defense—dropped their weapons, said Brig. Gen. Esmatullah Alizai, the provincial police chief. "They were surrounded and confused," he said.

Inside the compound, a small contingent of Nepalese Gurkha guards working for the U.N. faced a conundrum: They were under U.N. orders not to open fire on demonstrators. The videos show one guard feebly trying to wave an elderly demonstrator out of the compound.

Nearby, videos show, demonstrators used bent metal rods to smash a row of white U.N. SUVs.

Among those attacking the U.N. vehicles was a young religious student from a small village not far from the city. The student said in an interview that he and one of his friends found a propane tank that they shoved under one vehicle and set off an explosion.

Nearby, the student said, two Afghan policemen were hiding with a foreigner behind a tanker. When one of the officers shot and injured a young demonstrator, the student said he saw a chance to disarm him.

"Grab his weapon," the student said he shouted to his friend, who wrestled a Kalashnikov assault rifle and used it to shoot the unarmed foreigner.

Inside the building, other attackers targeted one of the safe rooms. The door proved little protection against the mob. As intruders penetrated the safe room, Pavel Ershov, a Russian diplomat who speaks fluent Dari sought to protect three staff members by distracting the assailants, the U.N.'s Mr. de Mistura said.

"Are you Muslim?" the assailants asked Mr. Ershov, according to one diplomat briefed on the attack. Mr. Ershov lied and said he was, the U.N. said. The assailants tested him by asking him to recite the traditional profession of belief in Islam, which begins, "There is no God but Allah."

When he successfully completed the test, his life was spared. Still, he was dragged into the street and beaten badly, according to a local shopkeeper who said he participated in the assault.

The attackers searched the darkened bunker with a lamp and discovered Lt. Col. Siri Skare, a 53-year-old Norwegian military attaché—the former fighter pilot—seconded to the U.N., along with Joakim Dungel, a 33-year-old Swede who had been working in the human-rights office for less than two months, and Filaret Motco, a 43-year-old Romanian who headed the mission's political section.

As Lt. Col. Skare attempted to flee the bunker, she was intercepted by the Afghan demonstrators who had set the car on fire. She was shot with the rifle commandeered from the police officer, one of the men said. Lt. Col. Skare died of her wounds. Messrs. Dungel and Motco were killed elsewhere.

Four Afghans—men also described as "insurgents" by by Gen. Alizai, the police official—were also killed. Video footage of demonstrators leaving the U.N. compound shows two men carrying Kalashnikovs and one showing off a large, blood-spattered knife.

As the attackers focused on the four U.N. workers who had been hiding in the first safe room, diplomats said, three or four others, including the German newcomer, were sheltered in a safe room in another building. They survived.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703712504576241110591067484.html

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Lol. Ok turn the boat around a make a few morebruns, I'm sure you will catch something. :D

13th century culture, I am not surprised.  Next they'll claim the ants told the Koran was god.  

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Where do we draw the line? Theo Van Gogh was stabbed in the street by a Muslim for having the gall to make a video critical of Islam's treatment of women. Was that his fault? According to those on the left, it was.

Piss on a statue of Christ = art
Burn a Koran = hate crime.


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Where do we draw the line? Theo Van Gogh was stabbed in the street by a Muslim for having the gall to make a video critical of Islam's treatment of women. Was that his fault? According to those on the left, it was.

Piss on a statue of Christ = art
Burn a Koran = hate crime.


I am sure you can find article from some extreme lefty crackhead saying Theo  is.  But to me that crack head doesn't represent most people or most leftys.

Would Straw or any other of the resident libs say so about Theo?

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I am sure you can find article from some extreme lefty crackhead saying Theo  is.  But to me that crack head doesn't represent most people or most leftys.

Would Straw or any other of the resident libs say so about Theo?

Substitute Theo Van Gogh with this Jones guy who burned the Koran and it's still the same argument. Everyone from MSNBC to the UN is blaming this guy for a bunch of rampaging Muslims running around killing shit.

They're waging war on our right to freely express ourselves and people in the west are willingly going along with it.

Burn a Bible, Torah, Hindu or Buddhist scripture and for the most part the worst you'll get is a strongly-worded letter, if anything at all.
Burn a Koran = "moderate" Muslims on the other side of the planet run around chopping heads off of innocent people.
Muslims blow up 41 people at a shrine like they did today in Pakistan = not a word of protest from the Muslims of the world.

Talk about backwards.

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We should have a BURN THE KORAN DAY!!!   the entire muslim community would violently protest themself to death.
down with hussein

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There are countless examples of Muslims desecrating bibles, churches and killing Christians/non-Muslims yet I never hear stories about Christians storming UN buildings and beheading people.




I agree with this.....there is definitely a double standard....but what do we do about it?...we can't go tit for tat with them because then we lower ourselves to their standard.....any suggestions as to what we should do to combat this?

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Substitute Theo Van Gogh with this Jones guy who burned the Koran and it's still the same argument. Everyone from MSNBC to the UN is blaming this guy for a bunch of rampaging Muslims running around killing shit. They're waging war on our right to freely express ourselves and people in the west are willingly going along with it. Burn a Bible, Torah, Hindu or Buddhist scripture and for the most part the worst you'll get is a strongly-worded letter, if anything at all.
Burn a Koran = "moderate" Muslims on the other side of the planet run around chopping heads off of innocent people.
Muslims blow up 41 people at a shrine like they did today in Pakistan = not a word of protest from the Muslims of the world.
Talk about backwards.

How are they blaming this guy?  The thread article said nothing. 

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They are neandertals, sad ignorant people who lives in the middle-ages clinging to a fantasy they call their belief.

They are the scum of the earth and should be wiped out from the surface of this planet.

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FBI Says Hezbollah Has $2.4 Million Bounty on Head of Koran Burning Pastor, Says He’s Willing To Die For Beliefs

(ABC News)- Terry Jones, the Florida pastor who supervised the burning of the Koran last month, said he’s not backing down after receiving death threats.

Jones said he feels no responsibility for the violence sparked by his church’s action, including the violent protest at a United Nations complex in Afghanistan Saturday that left at least 11 people dead – and 20 killed in weekend violence.

…Of Saturday’s violence, Jones said it proved his point.

“We wanted to raise awareness of this dangerous religion and dangerous element,” Jones said. “I think [today's attack] proves that there is a radical element of Islam.”

While Jones does not plan on any future Koran burnings, the death threats are streaming in.

“Right now we have a little over 300 threats, today 10 threats have come in,” Jones said.

Some threats are so specific that they name date time and place.

The FBI said Hezbollah has a $2.4 million bounty on his head.

But Jones and his assistant Wayne Sapp, the man who actually soaked the Koran in kerosene and burned it, said they’re not afraid and are willing to die for their beliefs.

“We see growth around the world – we feel very strongly for U.S. – United States, U.N. to stand up and do something…Muslim countries must open doors to freedom in,” Jones said.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/pastor-terry-jones-receives-deaths-koran-burning/story?id=13289242


Will the world condemn Hezbollah should this guy get whacked? Doubt it.

Also to note, the Mohammed cartoonists are still under constant police watch due to the list of active death threats on their heads so this guy shouldn't expect anything less.

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How are they blaming this guy?  The thread article said nothing. 
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Lindsey Graham is out here talking out making it illegal to burn a koran, the leftists are screaming as usual that the pastor is to blame, etc.   

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Which article? I've posted about a dozen in this thread.

I wasn't referring to the just the show. Read a little. There are dozens of dozens of articles on this. The UN, MSNBC, Harry Reid, RINO Graham and other leftists have all laid blame on Jones for the murders and not the Muslims who carried them out.

Lindsey Graham is out here talking out making it illegal to burn a koran, the leftists are screaming as usual that the pastor is to blame, etc.   

RINO Graham needs a primary right out of office.

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Which article? I've posted about a dozen in this thread.

I wasn't referring to the just the show. Read a little. There are dozens of dozens of articles on this. The UN, MSNBC, Harry Reid, RINO Graham and other leftists have all laid blame on Jones for the murders and not the Muslims who carried them out.

RINO Graham needs a primary right out of office.


The left seems to like to do that, if someone gets shot its the gun not the asshole who pulled the trigger. Burning the Koran, stupid idea, because everyone with half a brain knows what is going to happen. The pastor is media whore looking for his 15 minutes. What I fail to understand is why you have all of them in place going ape shit, drop a JDAM and be done with it. Every time a protest goes bad BOOOOOOOM. Even the dumbest assholes on the earth might get the idea, rampage = bad.
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Which article? I've posted about a dozen in this thread.

I wasn't referring to the just the show. Read a little. There are dozens of dozens of articles on this. The UN, MSNBC, Harry Reid, RINO Graham and other leftists have all laid blame on Jones for the murders and not the Muslims who carried them out.

RINO Graham needs a primary right out of office.


I didn't see it in the article that you started the thread with.  Is it in the dozen or so articles?  If so which one? 

I just find it outrageous that some one would blame the pastor.  I want to read it.  Just don't all that much time today.

I was also thinking as reading through this thread, that the left, in some ways are saying Muslims are like sub human animals that shouldn't be purposefully antagonized.  Like for example, if you purposefully go antagonizing a tiger and it goes on to kill 3 kids....   Pretty pathetic huh? 

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I didn't see it in the article that you started the thread with.  Is it in the dozen or so articles?  If so which one? 

I just find it outrageous that some one would blame the pastor.  I want to read it.  Just don't all that much time today.

I was also thinking as reading through this thread, that the left, in some ways are saying Muslims are like sub human animals that shouldn't be purposefully antagonized.  Like for example, if you purposefully go antagonizing a tiger and it goes on to kill 3 kids....   Pretty pathetic huh? 

The head of the UN mission blamed the pastor. Harry Reid and other members of congress are looking into passing a resolution condemning him. Petraeus has hinted at Jones being the one at fault. It goes on and on.

You're right, though. The left does view them like that. And they're afraid of them. They'd rather roll over and die than criticize them for fear of them reacting violently, thus giving them carte blanche to murder at will to get their way. Hence them focusing on the pastor instead of the fanatical savages that chopped two heads off and killed 8 others.

There's a pathetic double standard on display here. 

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Yeah, if you get the animals riled up its your fault. 

Fucking crazy.

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Yeah, if you get the animals riled up its your fault. 

Fucking crazy.

It's the world we live in. They have free reign to kill whoever they want  in order to get their way. And the west just keeps empowering them.

The funniest part is that 42 peace-advocating Muslims were blown up by the Taliban in Pakistan over the weekend and there hasn't been a single word of condemnation or rage out of the Muslim world.


Failed 14-Year Old Pakistani Suicide Bomber: ‘I Want to be a Martyr’

(NY Daily News) — They don’t call it extremism for nothing.

A teenage suicide bomber who failed to blow up pilgrims at a shrine in Pakistan stunned his captors when he made clear how desperate he was to die for his cause.

“Let me go, I want to be a martyr,” 14-year-old Fida Hussain screamed as policemen led him away. “I want to send all you policemen to hell.”

While Hussain was unable to detonate the bomb strapped to his chest, others succeeded Sunday, killing 42 people and wounding 100 more among the thousands gathered at a Sufi shrine near Dera Ghazi Khan.

A second suspect was also detained alive at the shrine, but police revealed no details about him.

Both apparently hail from an area known for breeding militants.

With his strikingly boyish face, Hussain represents the most insidious practice of the Taliban in recruiting young, uneducated boys to carry out suicide attacks.

Experts say young boys are not only less suspicious, but they are easier to indoctrinate into the cause.

“You are all accomplices of the enemies of Islam who are bent upon eliminating Islam and Muslims,” Hussain yelled, according to police officer Khalid Mahmood.

“If I get a chance, I will again strike as a suicide bomber.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/04/04/2011-04-04_teenage_pakistani_suicide_bomber_whose_explosive_belt_failed_to_go_off_vows_to_t.html


The Taliban once again exposed for recruiting children to be suicide bombers and yet no one has anything to say about this. Too busy chopping heads off of people because some guy on the other side of the planet burned their holy book.

The saddest part is that Sufi Muslims, for the most part, are the most peaceful of the Sunni branch. Best keep killing them.  ::)

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Why should be just accept them behaving like that?   Thats fucking nonsense.   So we should tip toe around life based upon every possible thing that might set them off into a murderous rage an them blame the person they claim set them off?

No way, screw these barbarians and savages.  They dont get a "get out of murder free card" just because they follow the pedophile prophet - piss be upon him.