GH15 - evaluate my physique

[Arnold jr]

This will sound simplistic but it will normally be the primary solution...have you tried eating more? Almost every person I've ever helped with this sort of thing when they hit a wall they automatically think it's the gear when they're simply not eating enough to support the growth. Try adding a few hundred more calories to your daily total spread through the day, if that's not enough add in some more and so on. Ans yes, good calories will do more for you...don't pay attention to what most of these fools say.

As for the gear, unfortunately some of what was said in this thread is true...some, not all. Do you need to stay on year round 365? Absolutely not but the strong majority of the time will need to be "On."

One of the best stacks you can use IMO, Test, Tren and Dbol. If you can afford the HGH it will be that much better. My preference:

WK 1-6 Dbol 100mg/ed
WK 5-16 Tren-A 100mg/eod
WK 1-16 Test-E or Test-Cyp 250mg/eod
WK 17-20 Dbol 100mg/ed
WK 17-20 Test-P 200mg/eod

You could bump the Test and Tren up to every day if you desired but that's a rough amount on a lot of people and can really negatively effect libido but it is beyond powerful. Again, if you can add HGH in with this and eat enough you'll grow like you haven't in a very long time. After you complete the 20wks if you're close to dieting time due to a show coming up then no, you won't be able to come off, you'll need to cruise for awhile on a little test before you start a competition cycle. If you have a fair amount of time don't be afraid to take 6-8wks off all gear, you'll be fine as long as you're smart with everything else you do.

[gh15]

I hoticed that gh15 has done some evaluation of peoples physiques based on pictures posted.  I would appreciate it if you could do the same for me.  im 5'7", training for just over 9 years, 215lbs, using steroids for the last 7.  My last dose was 1250mg test enanthate a week by itself for 12 weeks, this is the highest dose i have ever used,  My physique has stalled lately and i havent made any real gains in the last few years,  any advice would be great

thanks

are you fuckin nuts? you are huge ,,this is pro level size,,your problem is condition....get there some trenbolona and higher doses anabolics,,get on gh ,,

the only thing that will get you thicker and bigger but not good big more of the branch waren type of "big" is insulina...


generaly speaking,,if sean ray could turn profesional and compete 200lb ,,,if dex jax competed 185 and turned profesional this way...if bobbie that was 3 inch taller than you maybe even 4 inch! competed 197 and turned profesional as 197lb fella ....you do the math ,,what you lack is conditoned muscle not size,,you need more detail ,,you need more condition muscle,,i dont mean to see the 6 pack because you can see it with you ,,i mean the actual muscle muscle needed to be indivdial units,,it needs to lay only on the bone ..its called scuplting and thats how frank zane was at 185 5'9 thats how arnold was 6'1 225 ,,thats how every competitor was and should be,,


so your problem is not size ,,you have plenty of GOOD size ,,it is sheer beef that need to be going with thinner skin ,,with less water ,, you dont have much water on abdominal but you do hold much water on the other parts of you as in all over,,you just hold your bodyfat and water a little different ,,still you are in the singles  and at 8% there,,you just need more conditioned muscle it comes with :

trenbolona

gh

masterona

gh15 approved

[notsureifsrs]

This will sound simplistic but it will normally be the primary solution...have you tried eating more? Almost every person I've ever helped with this sort of thing when they hit a wall they automatically think it's the gear when they're simply not eating enough to support the growth. Try adding a few hundred more calories to your daily total spread through the day, if that's not enough add in some more and so on. Ans yes, good calories will do more for you...don't pay attention to what most of these fools say.

As for the gear, unfortunately some of what was said in this thread is true...some, not all. Do you need to stay on year round 365? Absolutely not but the strong majority of the time will need to be "On."

One of the best stacks you can use IMO, Test, Tren and Dbol. If you can afford the HGH it will be that much better. My preference:

WK 1-6 Dbol 100mg/ed
WK 5-16 Tren-A 100mg/eod
WK 1-16 Test-E or Test-Cyp 250mg/eod
WK 17-20 Dbol 100mg/ed
WK 17-20 Test-P 200mg/eod

You could bump the Test and Tren up to every day if you desired but that's a rough amount on a lot of people and can really negatively effect libido but it is beyond powerful. Again, if you can add HGH in with this and eat enough you'll grow like you haven't in a very long time. After you complete the 20wks if you're close to dieting time due to a show coming up then no, you won't be able to come off, you'll need to cruise for awhile on a little test before you start a competition cycle. If you have a fair amount of time don't be afraid to take 6-8wks off all gear, you'll be fine as long as you're smart with everything else you do.

"WK 1-16 Test-E or Test-Cyp 250mg/eod"
what the difference if you run the same weekly amount but with only 2 injections per week?

[pellius]

This will sound simplistic but it will normally be the primary solution...have you tried eating more? Almost every person I've ever helped with this sort of thing when they hit a wall they automatically think it's the gear when they're simply not eating enough to support the growth. Try adding a few hundred more calories to your daily total spread through the day, if that's not enough add in some more and so on. Ans yes, good calories will do more for you...don't pay attention to what most of these fools say.

As for the gear, unfortunately some of what was said in this thread is true...some, not all. Do you need to stay on year round 365? Absolutely not but the strong majority of the time will need to be "On."

One of the best stacks you can use IMO, Test, Tren and Dbol. If you can afford the HGH it will be that much better. My preference:

WK 1-6 Dbol 100mg/ed
WK 5-16 Tren-A 100mg/eod
WK 1-16 Test-E or Test-Cyp 250mg/eod
WK 17-20 Dbol 100mg/ed
WK 17-20 Test-P 200mg/eod

You could bump the Test and Tren up to every day if you desired but that's a rough amount on a lot of people and can really negatively effect libido but it is beyond powerful. Again, if you can add HGH in with this and eat enough you'll grow like you haven't in a very long time. After you complete the 20wks if you're close to dieting time due to a show coming up then no, you won't be able to come off, you'll need to cruise for awhile on a little test before you start a competition cycle. If you have a fair amount of time don't be afraid to take 6-8wks off all gear, you'll be fine as long as you're smart with everything else you do.

Look at his body composition. He is eating enough. If he changes nothing but adds more calories he will start to get fat.

[dan2000]

thanks GH15 , and everyone else that gave advice.  i will make some changes and see how things go

[Stavios]

are you fuckin nuts? you are huge ,,this is pro level size,,your problem is condition....get there some trenbolona and higher doses anabolics,,get on gh ,,

the only thing that will get you thicker and bigger but not good big more of the branch waren type of "big" is insulina...


generaly speaking,,if sean ray could turn profesional and compete 200lb ,,,if dex jax competed 185 and turned profesional this way...if bobbie that was 3 inch taller than you maybe even 4 inch! competed 197 and turned profesional as 197lb fella ....you do the math ,,what you lack is conditoned muscle not size,,you need more detail ,,you need more condition muscle,,i dont mean to see the 6 pack because you can see it with you ,,i mean the actual muscle muscle needed to be indivdial units,,it needs to lay only on the bone ..its called scuplting and thats how frank zane was at 185 5'9 thats how arnold was 6'1 225 ,,thats how every competitor was and should be,,


so your problem is not size ,,you have plenty of GOOD size ,,it is sheer beef that need to be going with thinner skin ,,with less water ,, you dont have much water on abdominal but you do hold much water on the other parts of you as in all over,,you just hold your bodyfat and water a little different ,,still you are in the singles  and at 8% there,,you just need more conditioned muscle it comes with :

trenbolona

gh

masterona

gh15 approved

Wasn't Bobbie a heavy ?

[Trev]

are you fuckin nuts? you are huge ,,this is pro level size,,your problem is condition....get there some trenbolona and higher doses anabolics,,get on gh ,,

the only thing that will get you thicker and bigger but not good big more of the branch waren type of "big" is insulina...


generaly speaking,,if sean ray could turn profesional and compete 200lb ,,,if dex jax competed 185 and turned profesional this way...if bobbie that was 3 inch taller than you maybe even 4 inch! competed 197 and turned profesional as 197lb fella ....you do the math ,,what you lack is conditoned muscle not size,,you need more detail ,,you need more condition muscle,,i dont mean to see the 6 pack because you can see it with you ,,i mean the actual muscle muscle needed to be indivdial units,,it needs to lay only on the bone ..its called scuplting and thats how frank zane was at 185 5'9 thats how arnold was 6'1 225 ,,thats how every competitor was and should be,,


so your problem is not size ,,you have plenty of GOOD size ,,it is sheer beef that need to be going with thinner skin ,,with less water ,, you dont have much water on abdominal but you do hold much water on the other parts of you as in all over,,you just hold your bodyfat and water a little different ,,still you are in the singles  and at 8% there,,you just need more conditioned muscle it comes with :

trenbolona

gh

masterona

gh15 approved

I say get off the drugs and enjoy your bodybuilding. Muscle's arn't worth risking your health or life over! You may lose 10-15 pound of muscle off the drugs but you'll lose the bloat too and look better (and bigger) for it. The drugs are only worth it IF you have the genetics to be top 10 in the world mate (Gh15 claims to have been one of these guys so was worth it to him but with all due respect you are not at that level).

[Spike]

yeah man, i guess going to the next level could have some health consequences, dont know if id be willing to do that, staying on year round.

Double negative

[Viking11]

Size is not your problem .  GH pegged it with quality. One thing that jumped out at me was that your pecs do not look up to the same standard as your delts and arms. They look flat and uneven in that pic. I would look at your training and see if there are some problems there..  Good luck!

[KevinP85]

I say get off the drugs and enjoy your bodybuilding. Muscle's arn't worth risking your health or life over! You may lose 10-15 pound of muscle off the drugs but you'll lose the bloat too and look better (and bigger) for it. The drugs are only worth it IF you have the genetics to be top 10 in the world mate (Gh15 claims to have been one of these guys so was worth it to him but with all due respect you are not at that level).

Out of all the comments in this thread this is the most logical. I agree!!

[cephissus]

GH15, what happened to equipoise?  That always used to be a staple in your recommendations, along with tren, test, mast, and gh.  Even mast has been mostly MIA recently...

[gh15]

GH15, what happened to equipoise?  That always used to be a staple in your recommendations, along with tren, test, mast, and gh.  Even mast has been mostly MIA recently...

its not missing ,,its just that htis fella doesnt need it ,,he has all the size in the world ,,he need conditioned size,,now i do not talkin about water ,,im talkin about developed condition muscle...he doesnt have it,,also his shoulders to waist ratio is not good,,he just carry too much weight,,i can point now to 10 fellas at 200lb 5'10 7% who wipe floor with him

he is big and lean and has lot of beef to playh with but! trenbolona is a must here,,masterona a must,,and reducing that testosteorna doses whiel increasing anabolics is a must,,

gh15 approved

[dustin]

I say get off the drugs and enjoy your bodybuilding. Muscle's arn't worth risking your health or life over! You may lose 10-15 pound of muscle off the drugs but you'll lose the bloat too and look better (and bigger) for it. The drugs are only worth it IF you have the genetics to be top 10 in the world mate (Gh15 claims to have been one of these guys so was worth it to him but with all due respect you are not at that level).

Holy fuck. We're just talking about a couple hundred mgs of steroids each day, not some experimental mystery drugs. Stop fear mongering.

Top 10? You're one delusional twit. And the beautiful negro in your display picture it's on drugs by three way too. By todays standards he may fall outside the top 10... Just saying.

[Trev]

Holy fuck. We're just talking about a couple hundred mgs of steroids each day, not some experimental mystery drugs. Stop fear mongering.

Top 10? You're one delusional twit. And the beautiful negro in your display picture it's on drugs by three way too. By todays standards he may fall outside the top 10... Just saying.

I am not delusional at all. The modern "sport" at the competition level is for genetic freaks only. The greatest champions CAN take the drugs with all their risks and build a fantastic career. I too marvel at their achievements BUT if you don't have that level of genetics then why take the risk? and why blow all that money on drugs. You can build plenty of muscle size and maintain a higher quality look without them. 99% of bodybuilders on Steroids and GH look like shit! Bodybuilders are meant to look like fantastic specimens of the human race are they not?!

[Meso_z]

I am not delusional at all. The modern "sport" at the competition level is for genetic freaks only. The greatest champions CAN take the drugs with all their risks and build a fantastic career. I too marvel at their achievements BUT if you don't have that level of genetics then why take the risk? and why blow all that money on drugs. You can build plenty of muscle size and maintain a higher quality look without them. 99% of bodybuilders on Steroids and GH look like shit! Bodybuilders are meant to look like fantastic specimens of the human race are they not?!

I actually agree with you, follow bbing as a hobby but dont let it control you life. enjoy it.

[Trev]

I actually agree with you, follow bbing as a hobby but dont let it control you life. enjoy it.

Great to see there are still some other sane people on here.

[Meso_z]

Great to see there are still some other sane people on here.

Well, I still eat 5-6 "meals" a day...also recently i started juicing again "for summer"...BUT im not THAT serious as I was. This time I control it.

[Trev]

Well, I still eat 5-6 "meals" a day...also recently i started juicing again "for summer"...BUT im not THAT serious as I was. This time I control it.

I can tell you are doing this as safely as possible ... I just up my aerobic work as summer approaches. I just don't believe in taking anything and believe the difference it would make just isn't worth any risk.

[Arnold jr]

"WK 1-16 Test-E or Test-Cyp 250mg/eod"
what the difference if you run the same weekly amount but with only 2 injections per week?

The difference won't be massive and on paper, based on the half-lives of these testosteones it's not necessary. However, longer extended cycles when you're looking for every last advantage the more frequent testosterone doses will prove to be a little more efficient. By keeping the injections at a minimum of every other day as the weeks progress you ensure your testosterone levels remain at their highest peak possible considering the dose.You will also notice a difference simply in the way you feel, in your overall state of mind and this is probably the best attribute to more frequent doses than anything else IMO.

Look at his body composition. He is eating enough. If he changes nothing but adds more calories he will start to get fat.

That's impossible to say; he's definitely eating enough to be where he's at now but if he's trying to grow and stagnating additional calories may very well be the key. If he's trying to grow beyond where he's at now superior conditioning is not his primary focus at the moment, although he will want to ensure it doesn't get too out of hand for future competition prep, that I will agree with. And I'm not talking about a massive increase in calories, a slight bump up can often make a huge difference and if he can add in this slight increase and remain in relative good condition then it will be worth it. If his body fat starts to go up too much then of course, he would need to reexamine but if he is truly stagnating he's going to have to implement some trial and error and this included both aspects of food and PED's.

[gh15]

The difference won't be massive and on paper, based on the half-lives of these testosteones it's not necessary. However, longer extended cycles when you're looking for every last advantage the more frequent testosterone doses will prove to be a little more efficient. By keeping the injections at a minimum of every other day as the weeks progress you ensure your testosterone levels remain at their highest peak possible considering the dose.You will also notice a difference simply in the way you feel, in your overall state of mind and this is probably the best attribute to more frequent doses than anything else IMO.

That's impossible to say; he's definitely eating enough to be where he's at now but if he's trying to grow and stagnating additional calories may very well be the key. If he's trying to grow beyond where he's at now superior conditioning is not his primary focus at the moment, although he will want to ensure it doesn't get too out of hand for future competition prep, that I will agree with. And I'm not talking about a massive increase in calories, a slight bump up can often make a huge difference and if he can add in this slight increase and remain in relative good condition then it will be worth it. If his body fat starts to go up too much then of course, he would need to reexamine but if he is truly stagnating he's going to have to implement some trial and error and this included both aspects of food and PED's.

i dont get it ,,dont you fellas see the bodybuild in the picture dont have enough muscle to go wiht the size? he WEIGHS too much,,he hold much of the size as water in the cells and outside the cells ,,the actual muscle is not quite there,,take a look at pecs,,take a look at arms ,,very one dimentional ,,lack a lot ! he is VERY BIG FELLA but! the result is again new generation of wanna be fast bodybuilders rather than develop slowly and walking around 180-200 where fellas in his height should be,,

have no doubt about it ,,if this fella go on stage he will lose alot of weight,,it is diff with fellas now days ,,they hold the water very well on the body in many cases due to usage of insulina and gh and then come competition they look like they just started playing with weights 6 months back...

size egot to go in direct proportion with quality,,

what is quality? quality is tight small waist with broad shoulders,, good v taper ,, thick full and wide pecs,, arms that show some detail even if not big,,  and DENSITY AND HARDNESS,,now the hardness/dryness is matter of how much water you hold on you i agree ,,but! the density is something that even with water should be there,, trust me friends,,when you see 190lb bodybuild that is dense at 5'7 he wipe thre floor 10 times over with 215 fella in this condition ,,and this fella in this picture is LEAN! HE IS RIPPED! but not enough MUSCLE FOR THE WEIGHT PRESENTED !
 
there should not be any increase in calories,,no increase in testosterona,,the opposite should accure,,

120 mg of trenbolona a day

50-100mg masterona a day

prop 50 mg a day

gh 6 iu for this doses of anabolics

drop gh after 3 months and evalutate condition ,,gh drop should be for 3 weeks to evaluate how you progressed

gh15 approved

[dan2000]

Thanks gh15, i will try your cycle advice and see how it goes, also as you can see my chest is a very weak point, i have trouble building the pectoral muscles to match my arms and delts, maybe its just a genetic thing

[Arnold jr]

i dont get it ,,dont you fellas see the bodybuild in the picture dont have enough muscle to go wiht the size? he WEIGHS too much,,he hold much of the size as water in the cells and outside the cells ,,the actual muscle is not quite there,,take a look at pecs,,take a look at arms ,,very one dimentional ,,lack a lot ! he is VERY BIG FELLA but! the result is again new generation of wanna be fast bodybuilders rather than develop slowly and walking around 180-200 where fellas in his height should be,,

have no doubt about it ,,if this fella go on stage he will lose alot of weight,,it is diff with fellas now days ,,they hold the water very well on the body in many cases due to usage of insulina and gh and then come competition they look like they just started playing with weights 6 months back...

size egot to go in direct proportion with quality,,

what is quality? quality is tight small waist with broad shoulders,, good v taper ,, thick full and wide pecs,, arms that show some detail even if not big,,  and DENSITY AND HARDNESS,,now the hardness/dryness is matter of how much water you hold on you i agree ,,but! the density is something that even with water should be there,, trust me friends,,when you see 190lb bodybuild that is dense at 5'7 he wipe thre floor 10 times over with 215 fella in this condition ,,and this fella in this picture is LEAN! HE IS RIPPED! but not enough MUSCLE FOR THE WEIGHT PRESENTED !
 
there should not be any increase in calories,,no increase in testosterona,,the opposite should accure,,

120 mg of trenbolona a day

50-100mg masterona a day

prop 50 mg a day

gh 6 iu for this doses of anabolics

drop gh after 3 months and evalutate condition ,,gh drop should be for 3 weeks to evaluate how you progressed

gh15 approved

In your first post in this thread you said this guy had pro level size and now you're saying he's mostly water...it can't be both.

If he's off-season, which I would assume he is based on the questions, I see no need for masteron at this point and if he's trying to grow, yes grow while remaining as tight as possible he is going to need a stronger androgen base than 350mg of testosterone per wk.

A side note, I don't see a point in masteron at any point...IMO this steroid is overrated, especially when trenbolone will provide many of the same effects in a far more potent and pronounced manner. It's overkill, a steady daily dose of trenbolone is more than enough.

[gh15]

In your first post in this thread you said this guy had pro level size and now you're saying he's mostly water...it can't be both.

If he's off-season, which I would assume he is based on the questions, I see no need for masteron at this point and if he's trying to grow, yes grow while remaining as tight as possible he is going to need a stronger androgen base than 350mg of testosterone per wk.

A side note, I don't see a point in masteron at any point...IMO this steroid is overrated, especially when trenbolone will provide many of the same effects in a far more potent and pronounced manner. It's overkill, a steady daily dose of trenbolone is more than enough.

lol ,,ofcourse it can ,,

P H I L I P H E A T H ,,the joke of modern bodybuild is same idea....only this fella in this pic is not abuser ,,yet! ,of insulina and gh


when i say he is huge pro size i mean he has THE VOLUME OF OVER ALL SIZE BUT when you look into it ,,take and put  sean ray next to it when he was 190... or lets take whie fella,, take stan macowy and put him next to this...look at stan muscles! they are not volumized with water to this degree but! they are conditioned and developed and dense to create a much better physiqe AT smaller size,,but in reality its not smaller size ...it is lighter weight,,

the idea behind bodybuild is TO CREATE 18 INCH ARM ON A 190LB FELLA!    if you walk 220 and 18 inch arm....not good enough my firnedly friend ,,wont cut it ,,

you need the muscle to be there ,,the weight number MEANS SHIT!

gh15 approved

[Arnold jr]

lol ,,ofcourse it can ,,

P H I L I P H E A T H ,,the joke of modern bodybuild is same idea....only this fella in this pic is not abuser ,,yet! ,of insulina and gh


when i say he is huge pro size i mean he has THE VOLUME OF OVER ALL SIZE BUT when you look into it ,,take and put  sean ray next to it when he was 190... or lets take whie fella,, take stan macowy and put him next to this...look at stan muscles! they are not volumized with water to this degree but! they are conditioned and developed and dense to create a much better physiqe AT smaller size,,but in reality its not smaller size ...it is lighter weight,,

the idea behind bodybuild is TO CREATE 18 INCH ARM ON A 190LB FELLA!    if you walk 220 and 18 inch arm....not good enough my firnedly friend ,,wont cut it ,,

you need the muscle to be there ,,the weight number MEANS SHIT!

gh15 approved

I agree, weight doesn't mean a thing, in the end conditioning is everything. In fact, every one of my guys I tell them to ignore the scale, especially during prep as it can mess with your head and strictly go by look...if they end up a middle weight or a super-heavy it doesn't matter...that I agree with.

I think it's also important to distinguish when comparing competitors in their ultimate state, when they are fully conditioned versus off-season. This guy here is not stage ready he is clearly off-season. The same pro's you just mentioned will have a more "water vollumized" look in the off-season, especially Shawn Ray in the off-season...that's not taking anything away from Shawn, he was phenomenal.

And I still disagree about the Masteron, lol! If he were to add any other injectable to his off-seaon stack with his test and tren it should be Nandrolone IMO. More than likely he won't need it if everything else is perfect but it could provide a nice bump with the trenbolone. This is the point in the thread where some jerk off will say you can't use tren and deca at the same time talking about receptor nonsense...hopefully for the sake of my sanity this individual will keep his mouth shut, lol!

[gatorr]

Great info on the drug part but iam curious as to what a contest diet looks like for a pro. What was eaten, how many meals and cheat meals if eaten and what was eaten. I know with all the drugs and fat burners just how strict did the pros have to diet.