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 KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to make announcement today
By Stephanie Condon Topics National Security .4 Comments



(Credit: AP) Updated at 12:05 p.m. ET

Attorney General Eric Holder today will announce that self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad will be tried in a military commission, CBS News has learned. A source says the commission will be held at the Guantanamo Bay prison.


Trying Mohammed in a civilian court and closing the Guantanamo prison were once some of the Obama administration's top priorities, but political realities have hamstrung both goals.



In November 2009, Holder announced that Mohammed and four other alleged Sept. 11 plotters would be tried in New York City, but he scrapped that plan in the wake of public consternation. Republicans and some others in Washington said the decision compromised national security, while a CBS News poll at the time showed that most Americans thought such suspects should be tried in a closed military court.


Holder said on CBS' "Face the Nation" last July that he preferred trying the alleged terrorists in civilian court because the United States has an "extremely capable" court system that has proven effective in these kind of cases.


"I think there's a lot of misinformation out there. We have proven an ability to hold in our federal prison system people convicted of, charged with terrorist offenses very effectively, very safely," he said.


Congress in the past year has tried to undermine the administration's goal of closing Guantanamo by restricting funding for such policy changes. Meanwhile, the case of Ahmed Ghailani, the first Guantanamo detainee to be tried in civilian court, last year cracked open the debate over how to bring to justice detainees in the "war on terror." Ghailani was convicted of one conspiracy charge but acquitted of more than 280 other charges related to his role in the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa.



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this is what repubs wanted all along.

but

they'll find something to bitch about.

they always do.

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this is what repubs wanted all along.

but

they'll find something to bitch about.

they always do.

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i see. 

2nd amendment:  Can you list the anti-gun legislation that obama has instituted since taking power?  Oh, none?  Mmmmkey.

4th amendment?  You were cool with patriot act under Dubya, but NOW it's being used for evil purposes? 

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i see. 

2nd amendment:  Can you list the anti-gun legislation that obama has instituted since taking power?  Oh, none?  Mmmmkey.

4th amendment?  You were cool with patriot act under Dubya, but NOW it's being used for evil purposes? 

Sent machine guns t mexico in order to try o justify AWB2 and blame dealers.   Operation Gun Runner

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Obama administration retreats (again) on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed civilian trial
Michelle Malkin ^ | 4/4/11 | Michelle Malkin



Buzz out of Washington this morning is that the Obama administration has signaled it will end efforts to try 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a civilian trial and instead will use the Gitmo military tribunal system pursued by, yes, George W. Bush.

AG Eric Holder is reportedly holding a 2pm Eastern press conference.

Here’s a blurb from CBS:

Attorney General Eric Holder today will announce that self-proclaimed Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammad will be tried in a military commission, CBS News has learned. A source says the commission will be held at the Guantanamo Bay prison.

Trying Mohammed in a civilian court and closing the Guantanamo prison were once some of the Obama administration’s top priorities, but political realities have hamstrung both goals.

Holder previously recommended that Mohammed and four other alleged Sept. 11 plotters be tried in New York City, but he scrapped that plan in the wake of public consternation.


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Sent machine guns t mexico in order to try o justify AWB2 and blame dealers.   Operation Gun Runner

when will he be introducing AWB2?

Trump supports it - maybe he can enact it.

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Haha, who is running PR for Obama? On the same day he announces he is running for re-election, his AG reminds all those who still might cast a vote for this moron that he has not and will not fulfill the promises that got him elected.

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Whoever the GOP runs in 2012 is going to have a field day in the debates.

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2011, 12:46:50 PM »
Holder Rips Congress For Forcing Him to Hand Trials of 9/11 Terrorists Over to Military Commissions, Says He “Knows More Than Them”

(Fox News)- Congress tied the Obama administration’s hands in trying the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and his accomplices, Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday, announcing that he was left without a choice and has referred the cases to the Defense Department for trial.

In stark language, Holder lambasted Congress for imposing restrictions blocking any detainees from being tried in the U.S., saying that the “unwise and unwarranted restrictions” undermine the U.S. in counter-intelligence and counter-terror efforts.

Expressing his disappointment in no uncertain terms, the attorney general said that as a native New Yorker, he knows as well as anyone the federal court’s capacity to try the suspects. He added that he’s intimately familiar with the cases, much moreso than congressional members — or the public — who opposed allowing the cases to be held in the United States.

“Do I know better than them? Yes. I respect their ability to disagree but they should respect that this is an executive branch function, a unique executive branch function,” Holder said in a press conference.

As a result, Holder said Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who has been incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since 2006, after being captured in Pakistan in 2003, and four alleged Sept. 11 co-conspirators will face prosecution by a military commission in Guantanamo.

“Prosecutors from both the Departments of Defense and Justice have been working together since the beginning of this matter, and I have full faith and confidence in the military commission system to appropriately handle this case as it proceeds,” Holder said.

The other terror suspects are Walid Muhammed Salih Mubarak Bin Attash, Ramzi Bin Al Shibh, Ali Abdul-Aziz Ali and Mustafa Ahmed Al Hawsawi. The five detainees are accused of killing 2,976 people — all named in an 81-page indictment dismissed and unsealed Monday by a federal judge.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/04/khalid-sheikh-mohammad-military-commission-trial/


Hahaha. This smug weasel got knocked down a few pegs today. Sounds like he's on the verge of tears.

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2011, 12:49:58 PM »
Ha ha ha ha- so says the guy who got Marc rich parodoned, defended the FALN terrorists, etc.   

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2011, 02:03:47 PM »
http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/2011/04/04/military-com...

Military Commissions No Place for 9-11 Terrorism Cases

For Immediate Release: April 4, 2011



Washington, DC – On the same day that President Obama announced his re-election campaign, his administration will reportedly cave on a key promise of the last election cycle and what used to be one of its core principles: to bring suspected terrorists to justice in legitimate U.S. courts. This afternoon, Attorney General Eric Holder is expected to announce that alleged 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four of his co-conspirators in the attacks that claimed nearly 3,000 lives will be tried in military commissions, a move Human Rights First is criticizing as a response to political pressure, not implementation of smart national security policy.

“In his first presidential campaign, President Obama stressed the importance of closing the notorious Guantanamo Bay prison and pledged in his first days of office to follow through on that promise. Now, more than two years later, we’re seeing him backtrack, in announcing that we will not have legitimate, reliable trials in the United States for the alleged perpetrators of the most heinous terrorist attack on U.S. soil in our history,” said Human Rights First’s Daphne Eviatar. “The only thing that has changed is the politics. Decisions on where to prosecute suspected terrorists should be made based on careful legal analysis, not on politics. This purely political decision risks making a second-class justice system a permanent feature U.S. national security policy – a mistake that flies in the face of core American values and would undermine U.S. standing around the world.”

Retired General Joseph Hoar, responding to the expected announcement, added: “Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is no warrior. He is a criminal and should not be treated otherwise through commissions. Our federal courts have convicted more than 400 terror suspects since 9/11. Commissions have only convicted six.”

“This will entrench the very problems in US counterterrorism policy that President Obama declared he wanted to change,” said Eviatar. “Former Vice President Cheney, in referring to the Bush Administration’s resort to torture, indefinite detention, and military commissions, called it ‘the new normal.’ Today’s decision to try the suspected mastermind of the 9/11 attacks as a military combatant, in tribunals that are widely viewed around the world as illegitimate, will help make former VP Cheney’s prediction seem prophetic.”

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #15 on: April 04, 2011, 02:13:12 PM »


Fail.  I doubt the media calls him on this.

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #16 on: April 04, 2011, 02:22:48 PM »
Holder Blames Congress for Forcing Hand on Military Commissions for 9/11 Detainees

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Congress tied the Obama administration's hands in trying the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and his accomplices, Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday, announcing that he was left without a choice and has referred the cases to the Defense Department for trial.

In stark language, Holder lambasted Congress for imposing restrictions blocking any detainees from being tried in the U.S., saying that the "unwise and unwarranted restrictions" undermine the U.S. in counter-intelligence and counter-terror efforts.

Expressing his disappointment in no uncertain terms, the attorney general said that as a native New Yorker, he knows as well as anyone the federal court's capacity to try the suspects. He added that he's intimately familiar with the cases, much moreso than congressional members -- or the public -- who opposed allowing the cases to be held in the United States.

"Do I know better than them? Yes. I respect their ability to disagree but they should respect that this is an executive branch function, a unique executive branch function," Holder said in a press conference.

As a result, Holder said Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who has been incarcerated in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, since 2006, after being captured in Pakistan in 2003, and four alleged Sept. 11 co-conspirators will face prosecution by a military commission in Guantanamo.

"Prosecutors from both the Departments of Defense and Justice have been working together since the beginning of this matter, and I have full faith and confidence in the military commission system to appropriately handle this case as it proceeds," Holder said.

The other terror suspects are Walid Muhammed Salih Mubarak Bin Attash, Ramzi Bin Al Shibh, Ali Abdul-Aziz Ali and Mustafa Ahmed Al Hawsawi. The five detainees are accused of killing 2,976 people -- all named in an 81-page indictment dismissed and unsealed Monday by a federal judge.

"Because a timely prosecution in federal court does not appear feasible, the attorney general intends to refer this matter to the Department of Defense to proceed in military commissions," reads the order to dismiss signed by U.S. District Judge Kevin Duffy.

Click here to read the unsealed indictment.

Click here to read the order to unseal the indictment.

The decision to return the detainees to a military commission is a reversal from Holder, who announced in November 2009 that he would move the trials to a civilian court in the United States. Supporters said it sent the right message to the rest of the world that U.S. courts were the fairest and best venue for trials.

At the time, President Obama said it was Holder's decision. White House Press Secretary Jay Carney said Monday's decision again remained with Holder.

"The president's primary concern here is that the perpetrators ... of that terrible attack on the American people be brought to justice as swiftly as possible and as fairly as possible," Carney said before Holder's remarks.

After Holder's original announcement, attempts to place the suspects in a New York City courtroom were met with fierce resistance from area residents who said they didn't want to deal with another possible terror threat in downtown Manhattan that the case would bring. A potential plan to house the suspects in a prison in Thomson, Ill., also faced considerable scrutiny.

During the lame-duck session last December, Congress acted to prevent the federal trials by attached to a defense authorization bill provisions that prohibited detainees from being brought to trial in the United States.

Family members of the victims said they were pleased with Holder's decision despite his reasoning.

"I am frankly shocked by the attorney general's comments," said David Beamer, the father of Todd Beamer, who is credited with preventing United Flight 93 from hitting its target. The plane instead crashed in a field in Shanksville, Pa.

"I guess one of my reactions is is I'm thankful there are three branches of government because the last thing I want to see is KSM returning to New York City for a civilian trial," Beamer said. 

Debra Burlingame, head of 9/11 Families for a Safe and Strong America, said the group is "relieved" Obama "abandoned his plan" to bring the conspirators to U.S. soil.

"We are grateful to the president for reversing his decision, conveyed to the families just last month, to go forward with civilian trials and seek repeal of congressional legislation that stripped funding for that effort," said Burlingame, whose brother was the pilot aboard American Airlines Flight 77, which was forced into the Pentagon on Sept. 11.

"We have great confidence in the military commissions legal framework, which is fair, lawful, effective and consistent with our tradition and values as a nation," she said.

New York Sen. Chuck Schumer, a Democrat, said that the military commissions are the appropriate place for the trials.

"This means with certainty that the trial will not be in New York. While not unexpected, this is the final nail in the coffin of that wrong-headed idea," Schumer said.

But ACLU Executive Director Anthony D. Romero, which vehemently opposes military courts, said the Obama administration's decision "is completely wrong."

"There is a reason this system is condemned: it is rife with constitutional and procedural problems and undermines the fundamental American values that have made us a model throughout the world for centuries. Attorney General Holder's previous decision to try the 9/11 defendants in federal court was absolutely the right call but this flip flop on the part of the Obama administration is devastating for the rule of law and greatly undermines America's standing abroad," Romero said.

J.D. Gordon, a former Defense Department spokesman for secretaries Donald Rumsfeld and Robert Gates, said trusting the civilian jury with some of the most dangerous terror suspects "is really a flawed mistake." Gordon noted that Mohammed and the other co-conspirators were already going through the military commission process before the Obama administration halted the case.

"I think they ran into the buzz saw of reality where the American public didn't see it in their best interest to hold Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in a civilian trial where he could theoretically be acquitted there and also where he'd have a chance to have his rhetoric used against us," Gordon said.

With the case now returning to the military commission, the process will start all over again. After the administration announced in 2009 it planned to move the trials to federal court, the military withdrew its charges without prejudice -- an action that effectively allowed it to preserve its legal position so that if the cases returned to the commissions in the future, the men could be charged again.

Sen. Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, ranking member of the Senate Judiciary Committee, said Holder should try to have more faith in the military commission process.

"The United States has a long history of successfully utilizing military tribunals dating back to the American Revolution, and it's why Congress set up the military commission process. Instead of taking this opportunity to blame Congress for preventing the 9/11 terrorists from having civilian trials, the administration should assure Americans that it will keep all terrorists off U.S. soil and utilize the military commission process in Guantanamo Bay to its full extent," Grassley said.

As the Justice Department prepared to announce its reversal, the U.S. Supreme Court on Monday also decided to pass on a case that would have further determined the legal rights of the detainees kept at Guantanamo Bay.

The justices turned away a petition asking them to establish the standards of evidence lower court judges should use to determine if the detainees can remain locked up while waiting for their cases to be heard.

Fox News' Catherine Herridge, Michael Levine and Lee Ross contributed to this report.

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #17 on: April 04, 2011, 07:52:48 PM »
They need to get this over with already.

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« Reply #18 on: April 04, 2011, 07:54:35 PM »
Got to love holder trashing congress over this shit show.  Ha ha ha.

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« Reply #19 on: April 04, 2011, 08:01:13 PM »
Got to love holder trashing congress over this shit show.  Ha ha ha.


Holder's just setting up Obama's excuse laiden next campaign.  When Republicans bring this up, he'll cry like a bitch insisting it's Congress' fault.

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #20 on: April 04, 2011, 08:34:16 PM »
Imagine that!! Trying this goof in a military tribunal for FREE (or dirt cheap) vs. spending BILLIONS in New York in security and a propaganda/PR MESS!!

Who'd thunk it?

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #21 on: April 04, 2011, 10:11:24 PM »
so obama did exactly what the repubs wanted...

and they're screaming about it.


really........ stfu already...... you got what you wanted.... i mean, when the wifey holds out, then finally gives a BJ, do you spend the entire BJ complaining about how long you waited, or do you just STFU and enjoy it?

sheesh.

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2011, 03:59:51 AM »
Blah blah blah.

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2011, 05:38:59 AM »
Justice Deserves Better Than Holder
Townhall.com ^ | April 5, 2011 | Jon Ransom





On Monday, Attorney General Eric Holder announced that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the confessed mastermind of the 9-11 attacks, will finally face a military tribunal under rules set up by the Bush administration.  If convicted, Mohammed could face the death penalty.

Holder, who has opposed using a military tribunal for the trial, made the announcement with the kind of wild partisanship that we’ve come to expect from the top justice official for the administration.

It’s not that justice isn’t blind with Holder, it’s just that he’s kind of selective about what he turns a blind eye to. 

You got the feeling that Holder, an opponent of the death penalty, knew he couldn’t just announce he had insufficient evidence to prosecute the 9-11 case, as he did in the Black Panther voter intimidation case, as much as he might want to.

But the press conference was certainly squirm-worthy for Holder, who is now stuck with a case he doesn’t want, in a venue he objects to.       

If they weren’t so wrong on issue after issue, I’d almost feel sorry for the Obama administration. But instead, I feel nothing but contempt for the most arrogant, self-centered and self-aggrandizing set of elitists to ever administer our country. 

The Khalid Sheikh Mohammed saga is yet another administration debacle that can best be explained by words that go roughly like these: “The Obama administration ended a year of indecision with a major reversal…”

It’s getting to the point that ending indecision with major reversal of policy is one of the acts that Obama is best at. 

If not a third term, the Bush administration policies on issues of war and peace are at suddenly enjoying something of a renaissance in the Obama White House.


In the terror case it does a great justice in our country, even if Holder and the administration can take credit for delivering that justice with the poorest of all possible grace. If you though the administration acted like poor winners over the last two years, they’ve also shown that they are poor losers too.   

In making the announcement, Holder acknowledged what a bipartisan coalition, united in the desire for justice, realized long ago- that Americans don’t care about the politics of the trial, they just want a trial that ensures justice in an environment that won’t make it circus.   

Even so, Holder acted with the bad grace that we’ve come to expect from him, chastising the rest of us on points of law, shaking his finger at the victims who have shown patience for ten years, calling out Congress for being nincompoops.  Not content to enforce laws, Holder had to be the giver of law too.

Ten years after 9-11, American families are still waiting for the most politically driven Attorney General in the history of the country to prosecute those responsible for a politically-motivated act of war that led to the deaths of 3,000 men, women and children.

To make things perfectly clear, Holder let the world know that the decision to have the 9-11 perpetrators face a tribunal was distasteful to him, that he would rather not be forced to make this choice.


The victims deserved better than that Mr. Holder; the families deserved better; and so did justice itself.     

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Re: KSM to be tried by military commission at Gitmo; Holder set to announce
« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2011, 06:21:05 AM »
so obama did exactly what the repubs wanted...

and they're screaming about it.


really........ stfu already...... you got what you wanted.... i mean, when the wifey holds out, then finally gives a BJ, do you spend the entire BJ complaining about how long you waited, or do you just STFU and enjoy it?

sheesh.

Are you kidding me?  After all the "KSM trial to take place near site of 9/11 attacks" hoopla....all the talking from both sides....and after all is said and done, the trial goes back to Gitmo....which is supposed to be closed by now....and you think no one should talk about it? 

You're not even playing devil's advocate anymore.  You're just being a dipshit.
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