Author Topic: What is the most time you have been on? (Read 3528 times)

Ontheway · « **on:** April 05, 2011, 11:59:44 PM »

The question is in theory the following:

WHAT CAN BE THE HAZARDS WITH:
- cruise on 250mg testo a week for 2-3 years (being 36)
- add a cycle of Winstrol (6-8 weeks 50mg EOD) 2-3 times per year to keep you cut
- no PCT nothing as long as you are on testo (just some Nolva)
- regular workouts and healthy diet

Thank you,
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Meso_z · « **Reply #1 on:** April 06, 2011, 03:01:23 AM »

"cruising" seems to be the trend these days.

benchmstr · « **Reply #2 on:** April 06, 2011, 10:57:34 PM »

i was on for almost 5 years....

bench

Rearden Metal · « **Reply #3 on:** April 08, 2011, 08:50:34 AM »

3 or 4 times I ran for a year or 13 months or so... 3 times I came off for over a year. I'm currently on about 9 months and not coming off in the foreseeable future although I'll definitely cruise as long or longer than I blast.

benchmstr · « **Reply #4 on:** April 08, 2011, 08:25:43 PM »

Quote from: Rearden Metal on April 08, 2011, 08:50:34 AM

3 or 4 times I ran for a year or 13 months or so... 3 times I came off for over a year. I'm currently on about 9 months and not coming off in the foreseeable future although I'll definitely cruise as long or longer than I blast.

i havent taken anything since i entered my chosen career....but if i got back ON...i would NOT go off......ever..

when i was on for almost 5 year being "off" meant 250-500mg of test a week.......and every 4 weeks i would do 1000iu hcg a day for a week...

bench

Ontheway · « **Reply #5 on:** April 10, 2011, 09:27:28 AM »

Would you run the HCG even if you don´t notice any shrinkage, etc?

Arnold jr · « **Reply #6 on:** April 10, 2011, 11:04:04 AM »

Your balls shrink because they are not producing testosterone...even if you do not notice them shrink they're still not producing testosterone. Therefore, using or not using HCG has nothing to do with testicular atrophy. Is it necessary? Personally I don't think so, HCG doesn't trigger natural testosterone production when you're on cycle but it does mimic the effect and will give you a little umph in the pants.

Your main question, in most cases most will be fine with what you have planned but just play it by ear.

muscularny · « **Reply #7 on:** April 10, 2011, 11:15:08 AM »

many hrt clinics give people 200mg test cyp non stop but those are usually older guys 45+

why not do 6wk on 6wk off etc etc at 200 a week, gh 5 day on 2 off non stop, 3iu a day

winny 6 week cycles 2 times a year or var even better

all this crazy mg's of test are silly, people are scared to try 200mg a week, im telling you that everyone i know doing low tests that use to do lots and even those who just did 200 from the get go get great results, just as good as amping up the test to 500+ wk

tbombz · « **Reply #8 on:** April 10, 2011, 12:18:41 PM »

Quote from: Arnold jr on April 10, 2011, 11:04:04 AM

Your balls shrink because they are not producing testosterone...even if you do not notice them shrink they're still not producing testosterone. Therefore, using or not using HCG has nothing to do with testicular atrophy. Is it necessary? Personally I don't think so, HCG doesn't trigger natural testosterone production when you're on cycle but it does mimic the effect and will give you a little umph in the pants.

Your main question, in most cases most will be fine with what you have planned but just play it by ear.

im pretty sure that hcg not only causes testosterone production to happen on cycle but it can reverse shrinkage and keep balls full as well. at least, that is my experience with hcg. ran a a few thousand iu's mid cycle after having shrunken, cold, lifeless balls for a couple years. after a couple days of heavy doseages of hcg my balls were growing fast and hurting just a tiny bit, by the end of the first week my balls were back to normal size, ,feeling warm and active, and i was horny as a mother fucker.

local hero · « **Reply #9 on:** April 10, 2011, 12:41:00 PM »

Quote from: muscularny on April 10, 2011, 11:15:08 AM

many hrt clinics give people 200mg test cyp non stop but those are usually older guys 45+

why not do 6wk on 6wk off etc etc at 200 a week, gh 5 day on 2 off non stop, 3iu a day

winny 6 week cycles 2 times a year or var even better

all this crazy mg's of test are silly, people are scared to try 200mg a week, im telling you that everyone i know doing low tests that use to do lots and even those who just did 200 from the get go get great results, just as good as amping up the test to 500+ wk

200 a week.... whats the point of going on?, either go on or dont, if your not prepared to go over 500mg a week steroids and bodybuilding arent for you

Arnold jr · « **Reply #10 on:** April 10, 2011, 01:42:10 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on April 10, 2011, 12:18:41 PM

im pretty sure that hcg not only causes testosterone production to happen on cycle but it can reverse shrinkage and keep balls full as well. at least, that is my experience with hcg. ran a a few thousand iu's mid cycle after having shrunken, cold, lifeless balls for a couple years. after a couple days of heavy doseages of hcg my balls were growing fast and hurting just a tiny bit, by the end of the first week my balls were back to normal size, ,feeling warm and active, and i was horny as a mother fucker.

It depends on how you look at it. HCG use while on cycle does not cause you to naturally produce testosterone again; if you're on cycle the natural production is still shut down. HCG use while on cycle, and this will sound very simplistic but it's the most basic way I can describe it, will more or less trick your body and cause you to produce testosterone unnaturally but you haven't done anything to increase natural production.

Arnold jr · « **Reply #11 on:** April 10, 2011, 01:44:09 PM »

Quote from: muscularny on April 10, 2011, 11:15:08 AM

many hrt clinics give people 200mg test cyp non stop but those are usually older guys 45+

why not do 6wk on 6wk off etc etc at 200 a week, gh 5 day on 2 off non stop, 3iu a day

winny 6 week cycles 2 times a year or var even better

all this crazy mg's of test are silly, people are scared to try 200mg a week, im telling you that everyone i know doing low tests that use to do lots and even those who just did 200 from the get go get great results, just as good as amping up the test to 500+ wk

Those 6wks on 6wks off, that's too much up and down, it doesn't allow your body to be accustomed to anything and will have your hormone levels all over the place which is the opposite of what you want.

Also, HGH, the protocols like 5 on 2 off make no sense...why have 2 days of no HGH, your body doesn't take two days off from producing it.

Ontheway · « **Reply #12 on:** April 10, 2011, 01:50:55 PM »

I have always been afraid of GH. Somehow for me it seems a little too "exotic", too "dangerous", limb growth, etc... Also IGF and insulin with it... For me it is just the next level in cycling that I don´t want to take...

I have always been content with the cutting effects of 250mg of testo together with 100mg winny EOD for 8-10 weeks... although lately I have read far too many articles of the liver damaging affects of the Winny...

I have tried to research the long term usage of testo, but besides the fact that 200-250 mg is widely pre-described, I haven´t found so much... For how long? Sides, etc...??

tbombz · « **Reply #13 on:** April 10, 2011, 01:56:15 PM »

Quote from: Arnold jr on April 10, 2011, 01:42:10 PM

It depends on how you look at it. HCG use while on cycle does not cause you to naturally produce testosterone again; if you're on cycle the natural production is still shut down. HCG use while on cycle, and this will sound very simplistic but it's the most basic way I can describe it, will more or less trick your body and cause you to produce testosterone unnaturally but you haven't done anything to increase natural production.

you produce the testosterone naturally, it just is articifially stimulated. the production processes are the exact same. hcg doesnt boost LH, but it does cause the testicals to rebuild/restart the equipment that is necessary for test and sperm production... making recovery so much easier once you get LH back up.

Arnold jr · « **Reply #14 on:** April 10, 2011, 10:26:32 PM »

Quote from: tbombz on April 10, 2011, 01:56:15 PM

you produce the testosterone naturally, it just is articifially stimulated. the production processes are the exact same. hcg doesnt boost LH, but it does cause the testicals to rebuild/restart the equipment that is necessary for test and sperm production... making recovery so much easier once you get LH back up.

Yes, I agree, that's why I'm a fan of HCG use post cycle before Nolva/Clomid therapy starts.

Arnold jr · « **Reply #15 on:** April 10, 2011, 10:27:50 PM »

Quote from: Ontheway on April 10, 2011, 01:50:55 PM

I have always been afraid of GH. Somehow for me it seems a little too "exotic", too "dangerous", limb growth, etc... Also IGF and insulin with it... For me it is just the next level in cycling that I don´t want to take...

I have always been content with the cutting effects of 250mg of testo together with 100mg winny EOD for 8-10 weeks... although lately I have read far too many articles of the liver damaging affects of the Winny...

I have tried to research the long term usage of testo, but besides the fact that 200-250 mg is widely pre-described, I haven´t found so much... For how long? Sides, etc...??

HGH is probably one of the safest hormones we can use. When it's used moderately, referring to dose levels the problems/side-effects you mentioned are impossible. You have to get into massive HGH use to see things like bone growth.

muscularny · « **Reply #16 on:** April 10, 2011, 10:33:50 PM »

to localhero

oh wow your such a man! stupid fool, when you bash 200mg of test a week you are saying that the guys in the 70's in most of the 80's where not on

shut the heck up you have no clue

muscularny · « **Reply #17 on:** April 10, 2011, 10:36:02 PM »

Quote from: Arnold jr on April 10, 2011, 01:44:09 PM

Those 6wks on 6wks off, that's too much up and down, it doesn't allow your body to be accustomed to anything and will have your hormone levels all over the place which is the opposite of what you want.

Also, HGH, the protocols like 5 on 2 off make no sense...why have 2 days of no HGH, your body doesn't take two days off from producing it.

only reason to do 2 days off is to shed some excess water gh makes ya hold (obviously those taking fake GH will not notice this side).

old_lifter · « **Reply #18 on:** April 13, 2011, 01:27:14 PM »

Quote from: muscularny on April 10, 2011, 10:36:02 PM

only reason to do 2 days off is to shed some excess water gh makes ya hold (obviously those taking fake GH will not notice this side).

is there anything i can use to control the water while on gh, the first couple of weeks are great then it's downhill from there

tstmaniac · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2011, 01:45:01 PM »

Quote from: Arnold jr on April 10, 2011, 10:27:50 PM

HGH is probably one of the safest hormones we can use. When it's used moderately, referring to dose levels the problems/side-effects you mentioned are impossible. You have to get into massive HGH use to see things like bone growth.

Iv used 5ius 5 days a week for about a year and my hands definitely grew...I think my gut slightly pushes out more also

Arnold jr · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2011, 03:00:24 PM »

Quote from: tstmaniac on April 13, 2011, 01:45:01 PM

Iv used 5ius 5 days a week for about a year and my hands definitely grew...I think my gut slightly pushes out more also

Keep in mind swelling is not growth, its only swelling.

tstmaniac · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2011, 06:21:06 PM »

I haven't been on growth for 6 months so its permanent growth

Brometheus · « **Reply #22 on:** April 17, 2011, 04:36:24 PM »

How was the recovery for those who has been on for long? I recovery well from 12 week cycles and I want to try 20+ week but I also want to return to baseline after that as I dont want to be on hrt at 23.

notsureifsrs · « **Reply #23 on:** April 17, 2011, 10:22:15 PM »

Quote from: BustinAss on April 15, 2011, 07:19:59 PM

Not true. The reason 5/2 was invented was because of the cost of GH when it was introduced. Also a side reason was to some to let the system work on its own for 2 days and not lose the ability to self produce GH. This was without any scientific explanation.

Plus you cannot shed any water within 2 days. You can with diuretics but if you just stop GH and wait how long it will be before you lose the GH water it will be 2/3 weeks.

Is there any scientific explanation today, that prove it wrong?