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Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« on: April 06, 2011, 11:14:49 AM »
Did the police go to far??

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By Michael Inbar
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updated 4/6/2011 8:34:57 AM ET
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The mother of an 8-year-old Colorado boy pepper-sprayed by police after he exploded into a violent rage says she believes that the school and police are partly to blame for allowing the incident to spiral out of control.
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“The school he was at was for children who have social and emotional behavioral issues,” the boy’s mom, Mandy, who is identified only by her first name to protect her family’s privacy, told TODAY’s Meredith Vieira Wednesday. “They [knew] what the kids are capable of before they took them on. And then they could have also called and asked for a special [police] unit who deals with children … in these crisis situations.”
The incident, which garnered national attention, began on Feb. 22 in Lakewood, Colo. — the same school district that became synonymous with school violence when two students at Columbine High School went on a bloody rampage in 1999 that left 15 dead. Aidan, a second-grader at the school, suddenly turned on his two teachers, who were alone with him in the classroom.
By the time police arrived, young Aidan was in a full-blown meltdown. He had ripped molding from the wall and tossed chairs and a TV cart around the classroom. He had grabbed a stick and chased his teachers into the office, where they locked themselves in. “I wanted to make something sharp,” he told NBC News. “I was so mad at them.” At one point, police allege, he warned his teachers, “If you come out, you’re gonna die!”
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Aidan said he does not remember what triggered his rage. “I don’t know,” he told Vieira. “It’s just the way my body goes.”
In fact, it was not the first time that Aidan’s anger issues had led to a confrontation with police. Twice before, authorities had to be summoned to “talk him down” after outbursts in school, his mother said. It is part of a pattern, she said, that seems to appear only when Aidan is in school, and only at particular times. “He’s a normal 8-year-old child at home with us, when he goes got see his dad in Wyoming, when he’s at soccer, swimming, [with the] baby sitter, he’s fine,” she told Vieira. “We don’t have these issues.” At school, however, things are different. “Usually it’s a transition period from a structured event, such as social studies or reading, into a free time and then going back into a structured event that he has a problem,” she said. Doctors and therapists have evaluated the boy, she said, and can find no cause for his periodic outbursts. “They all say there’s nothing mentally wrong with him.”
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She insists that his two previous scrapes with police ended without serious incident because the police who responded were specially trained to deal with children in crisis situations.
This time, however, the situation quickly escalated. Police insist that they ordered the boy to drop the stick and when he refused, they squirted him twice with pepper spray.
But Aidan told a slightly different version of the story to Vieira Wednesday. He said that he had already dropped the stick when police sprayed him. “The first time they said it, I just kind of did it slowly and then once it touched the ground, that’s when it happened.”
Police contend that they handled the matter appropriately, and the school district’s superintendent, Peg Kastberg, defended their actions. “They tried to de-escalate the behavior that occurred; [Aidan] was swinging a stick, he was using it as a weapon, he was violent, he was verbal, he was abusive,” she told NBC News.
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No charges have been filed against the boy. He has since been enrolled in another school that specializes in children with behavioral problems. But the boy’s mother continues to insist that authorities could have handled the situation differently. She said she believes that police with proper training could have defused or at least stabilized the situation until she arrived. “I was 10 minutes away,” she said.
And proper training, she says, is what she would like to see come out of this situation. “I do want them to get training ... for crisis situations with children. I don’t think it’s right for an 8-year-old to get pepper-sprayed.”

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2011, 11:45:09 AM »
using pepper spray on a child of 8 makes no more sense than that cop tasering an almost 80 yr old woman last year ... but interestingly enough I saw a show saying people can carry a "warrior gene" that causes them to be explosive .. so maybe this kid has it ?

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Rollins says he has struggled with feelings of aggression his whole life. He's on a mission to find out if his rage is the product of his upbringing or if it's in his genes. He says the warrior gene raises some interesting questions in the nature versus nurture debate.

In "Born to Rage," Rollins talks to hardcore bikers, mixed martial arts fighters, Buddhist monks and former gang-bangers who work with Homeboy Industries. All of these men take a test involving a simple cheek swab to determine whether or not they carry the warrior gene


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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2011, 12:12:06 PM »
Just because the kid has a chronological age of 8, doesn't mean he wasn't a danger to himself or everyone around him.

The police report says 8-year-old Aiden was “climbing the cart and spitting at teachers. He also broke wood trim off the walls and was trying to stab teachers with it.”

The report continues, saying Aiden was holding something that looked like a sharpened stick and he screamed, “Get away from me you f---ers.”



By the time police arrived, young Aidan was in a full-blown meltdown. He had ripped molding from the wall and tossed chairs and a TV cart around the classroom. He had grabbed a stick and chased his teachers into the office, where they locked themselves in. “


In fact, it was not the first time that Aidan’s anger issues had led to a confrontation with police. Twice before, authorities had to be summoned to “talk him down” after outbursts in school, his mother said.

"Of all the tools the officers had at their disposal -- a Taser, a nightstick -- I believe they not only made a great choice, but the absolutely perfect choice in ending the situation," he says. "People ask, 'Couldn't you have just grabbed the kid?' But he's about eighty pounds, and very capable of doing some damage. And we're not only concerned about the safety of other people in that school, but also the eight-year-old's safety -- and I think the chances of injury would have gone up tremendously if we had gone hands-on with him. But other than the burning sensation of the pepper spray, which was washed off and quickly neutralized, there were no injuries to anyone."

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2011, 02:02:24 PM »
i'm ok with it

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2011, 10:38:13 PM »
i didnt read the story but the title made me laugh my ass off bwahahahaha

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2011, 10:42:20 PM »
Just because the kid has a chronological age of 8, doesn't mean he wasn't a danger to himself or everyone around him.

The police report says 8-year-old Aiden was “climbing the cart and spitting at teachers. He also broke wood trim off the walls and was trying to stab teachers with it.”

The report continues, saying Aiden was holding something that looked like a sharpened stick and he screamed, “Get away from me you f---ers.”



By the time police arrived, young Aidan was in a full-blown meltdown. He had ripped molding from the wall and tossed chairs and a TV cart around the classroom. He had grabbed a stick and chased his teachers into the office, where they locked themselves in. “


In fact, it was not the first time that Aidan’s anger issues had led to a confrontation with police. Twice before, authorities had to be summoned to “talk him down” after outbursts in school, his mother said.

"Of all the tools the officers had at their disposal -- a Taser, a nightstick -- I believe they not only made a great choice, but the absolutely perfect choice in ending the situation," he says. "People ask, 'Couldn't you have just grabbed the kid?' But he's about eighty pounds, and very capable of doing some damage. And we're not only concerned about the safety of other people in that school, but also the eight-year-old's safety -- and I think the chances of injury would have gone up tremendously if we had gone hands-on with him. But other than the burning sensation of the pepper spray, which was washed off and quickly neutralized, there were no injuries to anyone."


i would rather be tazed all fucking day, than to get one drop of OC spray in my eyes...fuck that noise...

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2011, 07:13:36 AM »
The kid is three feet tall, and like 75 pounds...

We really need to do something about these insane police.

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2011, 07:25:37 AM »
A room full of undeserved toys etc. , a spoilt brat who is bright enough to know better

An out of shape over indulgent mother obviously can't use self control so she can't teach it either

He should be left with a bed in his room ONLY ( would be better to place him in a group home for a period ) ... unless and until he behaves properly he deserves nothing




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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2011, 08:12:19 AM »
Will the dog be OK ???
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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2011, 08:25:09 AM »
Will the dog be OK ???

OMG!!! That was my first thought too, but I wasn't going to say it  ;D
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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 05:33:08 PM »
the boy and the cops need a good ass busting.

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2011, 07:04:24 PM »
i would rather be tazed all fucking day, than to get one drop of OC spray in my eyes...fuck that noise...

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 Fuck both of that, I would rather just do what I am told. I had them both. The Taser was nice because when it was over, there were no lasting affects. The OC  lasted a few days with lingering mild effects!

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2011, 08:27:10 PM »
after watching the video, and reading the prints on this i have come to the conclusion that this kid simply needs to be "culled" from society...defective human being all the way.

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #13 on: April 08, 2011, 01:16:23 PM »
i'm ok with it

I don't need pepper spray to discipline an 8 year old.

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2011, 08:23:05 PM »
I don't need pepper spray to discipline an 8 year old.
they should have sprayed, and beat his parents after detaining her child...

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2011, 10:13:07 AM »
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On TV, Mandy Elliott said she couldn’t think of any situation in which officers should use pepper spray on an 8-year-old.


But was she initially outraged? Apparently not.


According to a Denver Post story, which cited the police report of the incident, when Mandy was told police had hit Aidan with pepper spray, she said, “Well, you probably deserved it.


And on the “Today” show, Aidan acknowledged that “I kind of deserved it.

http://www.timescall.com/editorial/editorial.asp?ID=26333


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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2011, 12:39:58 PM »
I don't need pepper spray to discipline an 8 year old.

So the chloroform and white cloth are still your go to?

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2011, 03:09:38 PM »
So the chloroform and white cloth are still your go to?
teh funny

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2011, 04:01:39 AM »
Has an 8 year old ever killed someone before, if so, then Police could be justified, afterall the kid was threatening someones life. Personally I would not pepper spray an 8 year old no matter what.

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2011, 04:31:19 AM »
Has an 8 year old ever killed someone before, if so, then Police could be justified, afterall the kid was threatening someones life. Personally I would not pepper spray an 8 year old no matter what.

one shot and killed his father


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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2011, 04:36:35 AM »
wtf did i understand it wrong or did the teachers look themself in and left the rest of the class alone with a out of controll kid?

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2011, 04:43:26 AM »
wtf did i understand it wrong or did the teachers look themself in and left the rest of the class alone with a out of controll kid?

he was alone with 2 teachers in a classroom and had a meltdown .. they left him in the room alone and then the police were called


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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2011, 04:48:40 AM »
he was alone with 2 teachers in a classromm and had a meltdown .. they left him in the room alone and then the police were called


aaa ok

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2011, 04:54:15 AM »
aaa ok

The ridiculous part is .. the school is for troubled kids

Why the teachers aren't trained special to handle meltdowns ( in some sort of reasonable manner ) is beyond my comprehension

It makes me wonder how they handle all the rest of the troubled kids

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Re: Police use pepper spray on 8 year old
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2011, 05:02:33 AM »
The ridiculous part is .. the school is for troubled kids

Why the teachers aren't trained special to handle meltdowns ( in some sort of reasonable manner ) is beyond my comprehension

It makes me wonder how they handle all the rest of the troubled kids
exactly they should be trained for these circumstances