first time seeing the pics: I've seen a few pics of che and always thought he looked great. great asthetics and muscle shape,. impressive.. Groink is groink, I would be curious to see what would look like if he really abused himself in his younger days and could go back in time . Probably would of looked like a better version of Kuclo, shape wise they are similar but he is much denser.... would have made a damn good pro IMO. But I doubt he would look like he does at 46 had he pursued that route when he was in his young days