The best rear double biceps shot ever taken?

[Cableguy]

Discuss.

Those B&W shots are the best Dorian's ever looked...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Go look at early photos of Yates and you can see he was a skinny little runt, average at best in the genetics department.  His response to hormones was well above average which is the only reason he was what he was.  Sorry ND, you're completely wrong on this subject.

hahahahahaha skinny little runt  funny stuff  Dorian was almost a pure mesomorph to start with he excelled early for a reason and he built ( at his best ) one of the biggest , hardest , driest and most balanced and complete physique's the sports ever seen , he changed the sport and dominated like no one before or after him , the guy never placed lower than second in ANY pro show , to suggest he had average genetics ignorant and flat out wrong

Just because he didn't have tiny joints and a small waist & hips ( small frame like Flex )  doesn't mean he wasn't genetically blessed.

[kiwiol]

hahahahahaha skinny little runt  funny stuff  Dorian was almost a pure mesomorph to start with he excelled early for a reason and he built ( at his best ) one of the biggest , hardest , driest and most balanced and complete physique's the sports ever seen , he changed the sport and dominated like no one before or after him , the guy never placed lower than second in ANY pro show , to suggest he had average genetics ignorant and flat out wrong

Just because he didn't have tiny joints and a small waist & hips ( small frame like Flex )  doesn't mean he wasn't genetically blessed.

Spot on. And good job schooling gh15 on his "average genetics" BS

Dorian won 6 titles, most of them while having injuries and still dominated the stage when the quality of competitors was at it's greatest. How can anyone say he was average, when there were tens of pros competing in the IFBB pro ranks and thousands of bodybuilders worldwide, trying to become pros by taking similar levels of drugs that he took and training as hard as they could?

[dj181]

At least Dorian didn't have a long torso wit short legs a la snasser lol P.S. ZANE>everyone else FACT

[pellius]

At least Dorian didn't have a long torso wit short legs a la snasser lol P.S. ZANE>everyone else FACT

Actually, just an opinion. A minority one at that. And that's coming from a Zane fan.

It's just one of my pet peeves when someone uses the word "fact" when it simply is not.

[Parker]

Flex was a tad off there...his lower back-glute-ham tie-ins are a little soft...compared to the 1992 Arnold pic...
he was 218 at the Mr. O, and 216 at the Arnold

Arnold Classic pic (and notice the calves---fake calves, what?)

[Dr Dutch]

Im glad somebody saved that pic that I scanned and  posted a few yrs ago (even ND did you save it as well?).

That pic is a rare one from the 1993 Arnold, there are virtuLly no pics showing that full back shot on stage, I cut that out of a  Jeff Everson produced magazine.

Jeff Everson, haven't read that name in years. Is he still around ?

[delta9mda]

Ray fucked up everyone just by saying "fake calves". Wheelers calves are not fake. fake calves do not flex. look at Lou's calves at his comeback. those are fake.

having said that Yates kills anyone in the bdb.

[MORTALCOIL]

Flex was a tad off there...his lower back-glute-ham tie-ins are a little soft...compared to the 1992 Arnold pic...
he was 218 at the Mr. O, and 216 at the Arnold

Arnold Classic pic (and notice the calves---fake calves, what?)

True Flex was better at the AC (it was 93- he didn't have his pro card yet in '92) than at the 'O. That "slightly" better changed a lot but it's still an incredible shot. One of the best physiques ever. Only a '93 Yates and a couple others could beat that.

[Parker]

Ray fucked up everyone just by saying "fake calves". Wheelers calves are not fake. fake calves do not flex. look at Lou's calves at his comeback. those are fake.

having said that Yates kills anyone in the bdb.

That was his plan, he said on here he was trying to get in Flex's head, I told him he was doing a Ali...I tried to tell Disco_stu about the "flexing calves" deal, of course he won't listen.

True Flex was better at the AC (it was 93- he didn't have his pro card yet in '92) than at the 'O. That "slightly" better changed a lot but it's still an incredible shot. One of the best physiques ever. Only a '93 Yates and a couple others could beat that.

Thanks for correcting me, I meant 93...

[yates fan]

just looking at pics and rating  genetics is hard to do,for instance if you look at pics of arnold from age 13 on he was already training,i think dorian was already out of high school before he touched a weight,so a 15 yr.old arnold should look way better than a 15 yr.old yates for example,ithat being said,i also believe dorian had less of a genetic gift,he was just smarter and worked out and dieted harder and better than the rest.they all took same drugs,give or take

[gh15]

hahahahahaha skinny little runt  funny stuff  Dorian was almost a pure mesomorph to start with he excelled early for a reason and he built ( at his best ) one of the biggest , hardest , driest and most balanced and complete physique's the sports ever seen , he changed the sport and dominated like no one before or after him , the guy never placed lower than second in ANY pro show , to suggest he had average genetics ignorant and flat out wrong

Just because he didn't have tiny joints and a small waist & hips ( small frame like Flex )  doesn't mean he wasn't genetically blessed.

nothing to do with join size,,or frame persay,,his average was because nothjign popped....when he was natural his genetic wasnt attention seeking ,,you were not lookign at it whiel thinking the fellal has potential ,,he was lean respectivly to his size,,he had abs but even they were ntohing to write home about,,just a fella 6-7% that was lean and average size ready to grow ,,what got him the growth was the respond to drugs,,his genetic persay was nothing more than average ,,i would put it somewhere between jason cutler genetics and chris cormair genetics,,really not impressive natural ,,very average no eye seeking physiqe you woudlnt notice him a secodn time if yuo opened a gym door...UNTIL he went on hormone AND MORE IMPORTANTO until! he got on lots ofo gh and later on insulina in doses that suited his foundation which was there


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[gh15]

he did have one advantage early on ,,,he didnt hold much water GENETICALY ,,he held water well,,he held it in the right places,,he did not hold 10 lb of water on him it was more of 2-3 lb of water which made huge  diff because it made him appear drier even as natural ...even as local hormonizer that was playing with dosxes to begin with for few months,,,his water ...the way he held it...was advantage ,,then again his over all genetics was average

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[MORTALCOIL]

he did have one advantage early on ,,,he didnt hold much water GENETICALY ,,he held water well,,he held it in the right places,,he did not hold 10 lb of water on him it was more of 2-3 lb of water which made huge  diff because it made him appear drier even as natural ...even as local hormonizer that was playing with dosxes to begin with for few months,,,his water ...the way he held it...was advantage ,,then again his over all genetics was average

gh15 approved

Sometimes (apart from the crazy spelling) I don't get your posts and even though you'll make me laugh, I'll just think you're way off. How could he have had average genetics "overall" when the guy had at least two very important things going on for him: before the tears, he had (almost) no weak parts and his '93 showing might be the most "complete" physique a mass monster has ever showed. And he's structure was very good to start with. I agree that he didn't have the whole package: his muscle bellies didn't pop out as a natural.

[gh15]

Sometimes (apart from the crazy spelling) I don't get your posts and even though you'll make me laugh, I'll just think you're way off. How could he have had average genetics "overall" when the guy had at least two very important things going on for him: before the tears, he had (almost) no weak parts and his '93 showing might be the most "complete" physique a mass monster has ever showed. And he's structure was very good to start with. I agree that he didn't have the whole package: his muscle bellies didn't pop out as a natural.

good genetic aside from frame include good muscle shapes,,infact phenominal muscle shapes,,many around your local gym ,,they are black fellas who weight 171 lb or 164 lb and you walk passed them weighin 205 lb and wonder to yourslef mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm how come his arms look better than mine and get more atention ,,how come his physiqe popp more,,we are same body fat yet he is all poping freaky muscle but but but but!! im much bigger ,,,no my friendly friend...you are much THICKER ....his muscles are big enough to stand their own against yours due to his good genetics which dorian did not have ,,,he had average white fella genetic ,,take a fella like simply huge from this board and his brother....both have better genetics than dorian to begin with

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[el numero uno]

So youre saying that.....steroids work?  Wow, my world just got rocked.
But you said you'd wager that on steroids you would become far above average, and that may not be so true, because it is genetically determined. Have you seen what goodrum looked like on steroids?  Pure shit.  How is this possible?  Genetics>drugs.
It is in fact you who has the blinders on, believing that anyone can take enough juice and become huge.  Dead wrong.

hahahaha X2

[JP_RC]

Dorian had great genetics period. Symmetry and shape wise his genetics sucked, but his structure was actually excellent. Go watch some early videos of him when he won his pro card in 1988, his waist was small, wide clavicles and perfect torso/limbs ratio.
And that is just structure, then we have to mention his density and unique hardness he had and most importantly his genetic response to drugs.
His arms always kind of sucked though, their genetic shape was obviousy not good...and it didn't help that he injured the shit out of them.

The problem is he ruined his body by going the never ending size route and started looking like shit, but in his very early years he looked great.

[crownshep]

This is Dorian in 1985 winning a novice show in Morecombe after 2 years training,i`d say his genetics were pretty good.

[NarcissisticDeity]

nothing to do with join size,,or frame persay,,his average was because nothjign popped....when he was natural his genetic wasnt attention seeking ,,you were not lookign at it whiel thinking the fellal has potential ,,he was lean respectivly to his size,,he had abs but even they were ntohing to write home about,,just a fella 6-7% that was lean and average size ready to grow ,,what got him the growth was the respond to drugs,,his genetic persay was nothing more than average ,,i would put it somewhere between jason cutler genetics and chris cormair genetics,,really not impressive natural ,,very average no eye seeking physiqe you woudlnt notice him a secodn time if yuo opened a gym door...UNTIL he went on hormone AND MORE IMPORTANTO until! he got on lots ofo gh and later on insulina in doses that suited his foundation which was there


gh15 approved

Go learn what genetics are has nothing to do with joint size or frame  he was ' very average ' because nothing ' popped ' than your explanation on what constitutes great genetics   

And if anyone else needs any verification on just how fucking stupid you are look no further than you now claiming Chris Cormier had average genetics LMFAO like I said either you're being 100% contrary or you really believe the shit you type either way you're a moron.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian had great genetics period. Symmetry and shape wise his genetics sucked, but his structure was actually excellent. Go watch some early videos of him when he won his pro card in 1988, his waist was small, wide clavicles and perfect torso/limbs ratio.
And that is just structure, then we have to mention his density and unique hardness he had and most importantly his genetic response to drugs.
His arms always kind of sucked though, their genetic shape was obviousy not good...and it didn't help that he injured the shit out of them.

The problem is he ruined his body by going the never ending size route and started looking like shit, but in his very early years he looked great.

Shape? his genetics sucked for shape? this guys genetics for shape suck I mean seriously you're perpetuating the myth that because Dorian didn't look like this guy his shape sucked WRONG it's apples vs oranges and just because you prefer apples doesn't mean oranges are just as good

and another overstatement on your behalf his arms always kind of sucked? at his best his biceps were good , his triceps and forearms are great and his side triceps pose ( which leads me back to shape ) is still of of the best in the business , YOU CAN NOT have a shot like this if it's lacking in shape and having arms that sucked

All the muscles are excellently shape to create the entire effect which is an outstanding side triceps shot

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is Dorian in 1985 winning a novice show in Morecombe after 2 years training,i`d say his genetics were pretty good.

Beyond pretty good if you ask me

[JP_RC]

Shape? his genetics sucked for shape? this guys genetics for shape suck I mean seriously you're perpetuating the myth that because Dorian didn't look like this guy his shape sucked WRONG it's apples vs oranges and just because you prefer apples doesn't mean oranges are just as good

and another overstatement on your behalf his arms always kind of sucked? at his best his biceps were good , his triceps and forearms are great and his side triceps pose ( which leads me back to shape ) is still of of the best in the business , YOU CAN NOT have a shot like this if it's lacking in shape and having arms that sucked

All the muscles are excellently shape to create the entire effect which is an outstanding side triceps shot

You're right about the shape thing, he still wasn't known for outstanding symmetry like Flex, Shawn, or Labrada though.

Now about the arms....at his best his arms were big and dry that's it. They never had that unique shape and fullness others had, like Flex and Ronnie for example.
His side tri shot was great as a whole, but still his triceps aren't so special by themselves in other poses.... they don't have that popping roundness guys like Flex had.

But overall I was actually agreeing that Dorian's genetics were outstanding.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You're right about the shape thing, he still wasn't known for outstanding symmetry like Flex, Shawn, or Labrada though.

Now about the arms....at his best his arms were big and dry that's it. They never had that unique shape and fullness others had, like Flex and Ronnie for example.
His side tri shot was great as a whole, but still his triceps aren't so special by themselves in other poses.... they don't have that popping roundness guys like Flex had.

But overall I was actually agreeing that Dorian's genetics were outstanding.

I agree he didn't have great symmetry in the context of small hips & waist and tiny joints A'la Flex but like I said he was almost a pure mesomorph while Flex had a light frame he definitely leaned more towards ectomorph naturally and Flex himself it was always hard for him to gain size it came slowly

Again you can't have one of the best side triceps shot of all-time with arms that sucked , I agree they may not be as round as Flex or Ronnie but the point stands despite that neither of them could stand with him in this pose , so to say his shaped sucked is nonsense especially when it's base on your preference and not in reality ( see Dave Polumbo whose shape really sucks )

apples vs oranges despite not have the best symmetry ( small waist & hips ) Dorian kills Flex and Ronnie in the ab-thigh can't do that with shitty shape and mediocre genetics 

[Immortal_Technique]

same contest , I'm afraid not 

Put it in black and white so it's epically grainy 

Oh and what contest is the Yates shot from? By your measure we should assess some other Yates pics from the contest he was posing at before allowing ourselves to appreciate that one Yates pic?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Put it in black and white so it's epically grainy 

Oh and what contest is the Yates shot from? By your measure we should assess some other Yates pics from the contest he was posing at before allowing ourselves to appreciate that one Yates pic?

NO black & white pic of Ronnie is grainy , he was never grainy no matter how many pics you make B&W 

Dorian was grainy in COLOR