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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #75 on: April 14, 2011, 11:53:02 AM »
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You do make some points and Heath does have narrow clavicles but one thing for sure he is a top bodybuilder and will win the Mr. Olympia weak field or not.  He should have won this year.  I am up front and close at the Olympia every year and when Phil came out this year he dominated.  His muscle pops and is overpowering so for all that narrow clavicle talk it doesnt prevent him from having great stage presence.  Nooone on the Olympia stage has that overpowering pop to their muscle.  The exact opposite of a Dillett that flexes and has nothing Phil's muscle onstage looks like it is going to explode.  He is conditioned and the muscles are overpowering.  Yes he does look like crap as a puffy bloated offseason bodybuilder that is blown up on gh and insulin but on stage at the O he looks great and anyone that denies that does not know bodybuilding period.

i kept saying he will win a title,,i dont thikn he deserve it ...but he wil win it due to the generation he competes in ,,it is not because of amazing physiqe,,if you take a line of ron dorian haney arnold zane sergio and samir....phil would not make it in that line ,,his physiqe is as good as kim hardashian behinds....it is good for this generation of nothignness .... but its not good enough in the over all comparison to past generations aka ron colman dorian franz zane sergio arnold,,

the reason i say kim kardershian is because i dont even know who she is ,,the name is just catchy and its easy to say lol ,,its like generation of nothings ,,no one does nothing to get anywhere you just knwo names with out actualy what the fella did to get where he is ,,,its a generation thing  friend

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #76 on: April 14, 2011, 01:23:14 PM »
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You do make some points and Heath does have narrow clavicles but one thing for sure he is a top bodybuilder and will win the Mr. Olympia weak field or not.  He should have won this year.  I am up front and close at the Olympia every year and when Phil came out this year he dominated.  His muscle pops and is overpowering so for all that narrow clavicle talk it doesnt prevent him from having great stage presence.  Nooone on the Olympia stage has that overpowering pop to their muscle.  The exact opposite of a Dillett that flexes and has nothing Phil's muscle onstage looks like it is going to explode.  He is conditioned and the muscles are overpowering.  Yes he does look like crap as a puffy bloated offseason bodybuilder that is blown up on gh and insulin but on stage at the O he looks great and anyone that denies that does not know bodybuilding period.
phil heath without those arms?
= nothing... everyone is just mesmerized by his arms and thats it ....
personally and on wolf dexter victor zillion times better
leverone good shouders tris abs
coleman good chest back greatest ams ever insane legs
phill heath arms? thats it
if his arms were in propostion to his torso we wouldnt even know who he is
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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #77 on: April 14, 2011, 01:28:43 PM »
phil heath without those arms?
= nothing... everyone is just mesmerized by his arms and thats it ....
personally and on wolf dexter victor zillion times better
leverone good shouders tris abs
coleman good chest back greatest ams ever insane legs
phill heath arms? thats it
if his arms were in propostion to his torso we wouldnt even know who he is
lets be real
Phil Heath has exceptional back detail, and one of the few that can actually do a X-mas tree pose and look good. His BDB pose is about the best out there today.

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #78 on: April 14, 2011, 01:30:10 PM »
phil is complete from head to toe; with insane size, fullness, roundness, striations, detail and aesthetics.

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #79 on: April 14, 2011, 01:32:51 PM »


these two pics below is what a MM shot should look like notice
A CHEST is involved and is a rquisite



what annoys me is when you hear judges say heaths most muscular is amazing when his arms completley over power his chest...
 ??? ??? ???
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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #81 on: April 14, 2011, 01:34:41 PM »
Phil Heath has exceptional back detail, and one of the few that can actually do a X-mas tree pose and look good. His BDB pose is about the best out there today.

deoes he have a better back than an on victor or dexter?/???????? no
so why is he a gift because he has huge arms...
i keep saying bbing needs to get over its arm fixation...
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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #82 on: April 14, 2011, 02:01:47 PM »




take a look in that stage,,,look at dexter! this is what bodybuild look like,,even jason that look horrid but still got foundation ,,take a look at phillip heath though...muscle is not there...BALOOONED UP it is blown up from within ,,even the arms are not big muscle wize they are seo enhanced,,this fella if win o will be a joke for generations really ,,if judges really will let him win it will be spit int he face of better way better than him who came before,,this is not sean ray vs jason cutler here,,this is someone who doesnt have foundation ,,look at the blow up points...it is marshmelow blow up insulina like,,yes he is low bodyfat and thats why you see the seperation and some hardness because hardness will come if you put in conditioon ,,but what he has as condition there IS NOT REAL MUSCLE ,,it is blow up air into skin and pretty small muscles,,

this is fake ,,this is not real this is a combo between brazilian fellas with synthol and bodybuild ,,he look weak,,he IS weak ,,he cant lift for shit,,i would give lot of money if i see this fella EVER squat 6 plates 45s each side of a bar for 10 reps,,but yes bodybuild dont squat ok ,,

he look weak ,,he look fake,,he look like small godo muscle shape was blown up with air seo and insulina gh combos to be this balooned up shiney material ,,it just doesnt look right ,, judges shoudl not be blind ,,this does not look right,,

s e p e r a t i o n is genetics andalso a dependent of low bodyfat!

his diamaeter of muscle is a result of blow up gh insulina seo combos and not absolitly not gym time


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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #83 on: April 14, 2011, 02:23:35 PM »



Phil will be the Next Mr O, if not this year then next



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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #84 on: April 14, 2011, 02:40:55 PM »
Phil will be the Next Mr O, if not this year then next

I'm not seeing it, too narrow up top.  Especially poor in the FDB and RLS. 

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #85 on: April 14, 2011, 03:22:55 PM »
did you just compare phiilip heath to dorian yates? maybe i didnt read it right since you know english not my stronger side... you just fuckin compared phil heath to dorian yates lol,,phillip heath is not even in the sphere of dorian yates not even in the same leage it is liek 3 leagues under  its just not comparable ,,not to dorian and nto to ron and nto to levron eiehter,,go take a look at levrone pecs...chest...he didnt have wide calvicles but he made heath look like a kid  lol phil heath has GIRL CALVICLES,,levrone just had narrower but not girl calvicles,,kevin was proportionate yes his calvicles were not wide as much as wider bodybuilders but they were nto extremly narrow,,

phil heath calvicles match a 5'3 liar priest do you get it? i think even priest has wider calvicles the diff is phiilip heath is 5'10 or 5'9 or inbetween there

  
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You must be blind or in your years of completing you fail to understand what bodybuilding it all about, its about filling out your structure with freaky size and shape without destroying your lines and no gh gut, no human being can make their structure wider but you can make it big and freaky. look at phil physique he has no weak bodyparts and no nasty gh gut hanging out like some other bodybuilders. His physique is about as perfect as a bodybuilder can be and that is why he is the next mr o.
 And for your info phil can stand next to any bodybuilder from any age and hold his own.

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #86 on: April 14, 2011, 03:33:51 PM »

deoes he have a better back than an on victor or dexter?/???????? no
so why is he a gift because he has huge arms...
i keep saying bbing needs to get over its arm fixation...

Vic of today is not the Vic of 2007, and Dex, well has lost his razor sharpness,
so, yes Phil has a better back...

I can't post up the pics, but Phil has a better back, I think the 2010 Arnold and Mr. O showed this.

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Re: Why so much Phil Heath hate on this board
« Reply #87 on: April 14, 2011, 03:37:01 PM »
They don't like him because he is too small where it counts!  :D


His chest is like a FBB with implants

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #88 on: April 14, 2011, 03:38:29 PM »
You must be blind or in your years of completing you fail to understand what bodybuilding it all about, its about filling out your structure with freaky size and shape without destroying your lines and no gh gut, no human being can make their structure wider but you can make it big and freaky. look at phil physique he has no weak bodyparts and no nasty gh gut hanging out like some other bodybuilders. His physique is about as perfect as a bodybuilder can be and that is why he is the next mr o.
 And for your info phil can stand next to any bodybuilder from any age and hold his own.
hold his own against a prime ronnie..dillet nasser.... cormier or wheeler...
no...
for the record no one held their own against a prime ronnie... and still no one has come since to do so...
take away the arms...
and?
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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #89 on: April 14, 2011, 03:40:44 PM »
hold his own against a prime ronnie..dillet nasser.... cormier or wheeler...
no...
for the record no one held their own against a prime ronnie... and still no one has come since to do so...
take away the arms...
and?

Bullshit , Flex gave prime Ronnie ( 1998 ) a real run for his money and we're not talking Flex 1993 either

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #90 on: April 14, 2011, 03:40:45 PM »



Phil will be the Next Mr O, if not this year then next



I've lost my faith in the IFBB, well I never had it LOL, so I guess you're correct

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #91 on: April 14, 2011, 03:49:05 PM »
Vic of today is not the Vic of 2007, and Dex, well has lost his razor sharpness,
so, yes Phil has a better back...

I can't post up the pics, but Phil has a better back, I think the 2010 Arnold and Mr. O showed this.

Spot on. Dex hit his peak a few years ago and has been on the decline since then. Same goes for Vic.

Phil's physique is far superior to both of theirs, esp. in the back poses.

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #92 on: April 14, 2011, 03:50:25 PM »
Spot on. Dex hit his peak a few years ago and has been on the decline since then. Same goes for Vic.

Phil's physique is far superior to both of theirs, esp. in the back poses.

Other than clavicle width he has the least amount of flaws out of them as well

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #93 on: April 14, 2011, 03:52:19 PM »
Bullshit , Flex gave prime Ronnie ( 1998 ) a real run for his money and we're not talking Flex 1993 either
our opinion of prime ronnie differs.. i dont think its 1998 your intotled to having your opinion
but im not gonna get drawn into a debate about it.... but the videos show ronnie completely blowing flex away 98 99 and so on
but flex would give 90% of  bbers in his prime problems....
personally i dont think phil is anywhere close to flex anyway
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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #94 on: April 14, 2011, 03:56:17 PM »

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #95 on: April 14, 2011, 03:56:33 PM »
our opinion of prime ronnie differs.. i dont think its 1998 your intotled to having your opinion
but im not gonna get drawn into a debate about it.... but the videos show ronnie completely blowing flex away 98 99 and so on
but flex would give 90% of  bbers in his prime problems....
personally i dont think phil is anywhere close to flex anyway
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Ronnie himself said 1998 was his best and Ronnie did NOT blow away Flex in 98 , maybe 1999 but please don't try and rewrite history


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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #96 on: April 14, 2011, 03:58:51 PM »
Just noticed that Jay and Phil do their lat spreads diff (at least in that pic)...Jay does his staight up, which washes his lower (and subpar) back detail out. Phil rounds his back, which causes him to lose about a inch in height, but shows lower back thickness.

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #97 on: April 14, 2011, 04:06:38 PM »
Ronnie himself said 1998 was his best and Ronnie did NOT blow away Flex in 98 , maybe 1999 but please don't try and rewrite history


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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #98 on: April 14, 2011, 04:07:17 PM »
our opinion of prime ronnie differs.. i dont think its 1998 your intotled to having your opinion
but im not gonna get drawn into a debate about it.... but the videos show ronnie completely blowing flex away 98 99 and so on
but flex would give 90% of  bbers in his prime problems....
personally i donta think phil is anywhere close to flex anyway
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Ronnie blew people away in 98 with his conditioning, Flex was a tad off, but Flex's shape is what carries him thru...had Flex been in his 98 Arnold shape, he probably would have won. As Chris Cormier had said, Flex has a mystique about him, he called it the "Flex Wheeler mystique" back in 2000, when he lost to Flex at the 2000 Arnold.
This "mystique" carries Flex, as well as his shape...when you look at the 98 vid, Ronnie had detail popping out all over the place, but Flex who did had detail, was softer in te lower back, glutes, and hams, and that was his deathknell, plus his ass cheated on his diet...

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Re: Phil Heath - like him or not?
« Reply #99 on: April 14, 2011, 04:11:48 PM »
flex just always look soft compared to ronn
abd ron was quite bigger...
flex had greats hape though...
i know your an arm guy parker... and a phil fan but for me a lot of the phill hype is just due to his arms
ronne had the greatest arms imo  greatest back plus super delts chest and legs...
take the arms away and phil is a middle weight....

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