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Obama continues his ass-kicking of 3333...gives an awesome speech today on major deficit reduction and tells the american public that cuts to social programs and tax increases that he proposes will decrease the deficit by 4 trillion dollars within the next 10-12 years

and he plans to tax the rich at the fair rate in which they should be taxed...they have been getting a free ride for years....Obama must also tax the oil companies who are getting record profits....

So for all you conservatives out there..Obama is now tackling the budget deficit and has outlined a plan to reduce it dramatically in upcoming years if he gets the cooperation of the Republicans....

OBAMA WILL BE THE GREATEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME BY THE TIME HE IS DONE!!!!! :D

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OMFG - are you serious?   

Ha ha ha ha ha hA  - tell me you are doing for a goof.   

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An obvious bait thread, but I'll bite.

"Reducing the deficit by 4 trillion dollars over 10 years?"

So we will still be running massive deficits for 10-12 years. I'm go to love to see the interest payments on all that debt by that time. Probably around 500 billion, sweet.

Good to know.


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Obama's Deceit
American Thinker ^ | April 13, 2011 | Frank Gutting






Okay, I have had it with this President's blatant dishonesty. His speech today was appallingly deceitful and misleading. This President, has spent more money and added more debt than any other President in history. This is not political rhetoric, this is simply fact! Barack Obama's budget deficit in March of 2011 was larger than the deficit for all of 2007!

According to Obama's 2012 Budget Proposal, under Historical Tables, the budget deficit under George Bush first peaked in 2004 at $412 billion dollars. Between 2005 and 2007 the budget deficit declined by $252 billion to reach its low, under Bush, at $160 billion. If the tax cuts and wars, both occurring in 2001 and 2003, caused our current financial situation, how did the deficit fall between 2004 to 2007? Because Tax Cuts increase revenue to the government by allowing people and business to invest more of their own money. As people invest they conduct taxable transactions which bring in revenue to the government.

So where did Obama come up with the claim that he inherited a trillion dollar deficit? In 2008, the deficit under Bush climbed to a new high of $458 billion. The reason for the climb was the fiscal stimulus and emergency spending as a result of the financial crises. However, this number is somewhat misleading. The fiscal year for 2008 ended in October of that year, pushing much of the onetime emergency spending on the 2009 budget. When you add that spending onto the budget baseline, you come up with a deficit for 2009 of $1.4 trillion. While Obama is correct that he is not solely responsible for the 2009 budget, he is lying by not informing the American people most of the deficit was "one time emergency spending." He, Barack H. Obama, chose to put that spending in the baseline budget for the next decade. Thus, we have $1 trillion dollar deficits for as far as the eye can see.

The President claimed that we didn't "pay for" the tax cuts. Excuse me Mr. President, when someone takes a pay cut, do they have to "pay for it?" A tax cut means the government simply takes less of YOUR money, what is there to pay for? This, seemingly innocuous, difference comes from the President's view that government has a right to your money. To Obama, it is not your income, but governments', and government not taking all of your money is an act of compassion. Obama believes that by leaving more of your money in your pocket, it is the equivalent of government sending you a check! If government sends you a check, that means government must "pay for" the tax cut. Unbelievable!

(Here is a link to his budget proposal: select table 1.1 http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/Historicals)

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Obama continues his ass-kicking of 3333...gives an awesome speech today on major deficit reduction and tells the american public that cuts to social programs and tax increases that he proposes will decrease the deficit by 4 trillion dollars within the next 10-12 years

and he plans to tax the rich at the fair rate in which they should be taxed...they have been getting a free ride for years....Obama must also tax the oil companies who are getting record profits....

So for all you conservatives out there..Obama is now tackling the budget deficit and has outlined a plan to reduce it dramatically in upcoming years if he gets the cooperation of the Republicans....

OBAMA WILL BE THE GREATEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME BY THE TIME HE IS DONE!!!!! :D

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Andre - are you being paid for this? 

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He must be gettting paid for this.

I havent gotten the opportunity to listen to the entire thing, but I have heard excepts, and this has got to be the worst speech ever. This thing sucked. Lie after lie after lie. Talk radio had a ball tearing this turd to shreds today. If he wantns to stage his re election on class warfare, I am up for the challenge. I cannot believe he seems to think we can cut the deficit by cutting military spending and raising taxes on the wealthy.

Here is the fucking retarded thing: Raising taxes on those who make more than $250000 at the most would get you $70 billion a year. You gotta be fucking kidding. You are losing a lot in innovation and lost jobs if you raise thier taxes though. Unfortunately, people do seem to support this, but that is because they havent thought it through at all. People fucking suck. They dont want to cut medicaire, social security or medicaid, but they want taxes raises on those who make more money than them. SOmebody tell these fucking retards that it is the spending and investing of other people that make more money than you that creates YOUR JOB and INCOME. FUCK!!!!

RE-ELECT this piece of shit in the White House America. I DARE YOU.
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I almost tossed the radio out the window when he was talking about the vouchers for seniors being unfair since they will have to be subject to private isurance rate hikes by carriers etc and rising costs.  I almost choked when I heard that since bama care does exactly that to everybody. 

does he even read this crap before he repeats it off the teleprompter? 

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If I’m not mistaken (I’m not), he didn’t actually outline anything. He just rambled on, played the class warfare angle, laid blame on Bush for the 25,000th time and then rambled some more. Horrible speech but par the course for the God-King.

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Seemed like a bogus attempt to deal w the positive press ryan is getting as well as the flak bama is getting for treating simpson bowles like stage props.

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You are losing a lot in innovation and lost jobs if you raise thier taxes though.

What a load of b/s   ::)

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What a load of b/s   ::)

YOu trust the federal government to create jobs more than these guys? REally? You mean after that successfull stimulus program that still has us close to 10% unemployment.
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If I’m not mistaken (I’m not), he didn’t actually outline anything. He just rambled on, played the class warfare angle, laid blame on Bush for the 25,000th time and then rambled some more. Horrible speech but par the course for the God-King.


I heard that he talked about the fucking 80s. THe fucking 80s!!!!!! He talked about Reagan and the 80s!!!! How retarded can you fucking be. Reagan's debt to asset ratio is FAR smaller than Obama's. FAR SMALLER. You have to be fucking kidding  me. Its one thing to criticise Bush when Bush's deficits were fare smaller, but to criticise Reagan??????  And then he goes and talks about the fucking 90s with Clinton and the surpluses. Newsflash to liberals: first of all, Clinton was a MODERATE. Secondly, Republicans controlled Congress after Clinton's first two disasterous years. Third, Clinton NEVER handed a balanced budget plan to Newt Gingrich. I actually was a Clinton Democrat back in the 90s when I was a stupid highschool kid that didnt like religious conservatives, but you cant keep your head in the sand forever.
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Andre - do you really buy into his lies. 

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REVIEW & OUTLOOK
APRIL 14, 2011.The Presidential Divider
Obama's toxic speech and even worse plan for deficits and debt.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703730104576260911986870054.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_LEADTop



 
Did someone move the 2012 election to June 1? We ask because President Obama's extraordinary response to Paul Ryan's budget yesterday—with its blistering partisanship and multiple distortions—was the kind Presidents usually outsource to some junior lieutenant. Mr. Obama's fundamentally political document would have been unusual even for a Vice President in the fervor of a campaign.

The immediate political goal was to inoculate the White House from criticism that it is not serious about the fiscal crisis, after ignoring its own deficit commission last year and tossing off a $3.73 trillion budget in February that increased spending amid a record deficit of $1.65 trillion. Mr. Obama was chased to George Washington University yesterday because Mr. Ryan and the Republicans outflanked him on fiscal discipline and are now setting the national political agenda.

Mr. Obama did not deign to propose an alternative to rival Mr. Ryan's plan, even as he categorically rejected all its reform ideas, repeatedly vilifying them as essentially un-American. "Their vision is less about reducing the deficit than it is about changing the basic social compact in America," he said, supposedly pitting "children with autism or Down's syndrome" against "every millionaire and billionaire in our society." The President was not attempting to join the debate Mr. Ryan has started, but to close it off just as it begins and banish House GOP ideas to political Siberia.

Mr. Obama then packaged his poison in the rhetoric of bipartisanship—which "starts," he said, "by being honest about what's causing our deficit." The speech he chose to deliver was dishonest even by modern political standards.

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The great political challenge of the moment is how to update the 20th-century entitlement state so that it is affordable. With incremental change, Mr. Ryan is trying maintain a social safety net and the economic growth necessary to finance it. Mr. Obama presented what some might call the false choice of merely preserving the government we have with no realistic plan for doing so, aside from proposing $4 trillion in phantom deficit reduction over a gimmicky 12-year budget window that makes that reduction seem larger than it would be over the normal 10-year window.

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 .Mr. Obama said that the typical political proposal to rationalize Medicare's gargantuan liabilities is that it is "just a matter of eliminating waste and abuse." His own plan is to double down on the program's price controls and central planning. All Medicare decisions will be turned over to and routed through an unelected commission created by ObamaCare—which will supposedly ferret out "unnecessary spending." Is that the same as "waste and abuse"?

Fifteen members will serve on the Independent Payment Advisory Board, all appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate. If per capita costs grow by more than GDP plus 0.5%, this board would get more power, including an automatic budget sequester to enforce its rulings. So 15 sages sitting in a room with the power of the purse will evidently find ways to control Medicare spending that no one has ever thought of before and that supposedly won't harm seniors' care, even as the largest cohort of the baby boom generation retires and starts to collect benefits.

Mr. Obama really went off on Mr. Ryan's plan to increase health-care competition and give consumers more control, barely stopping short of calling it murderous. It's hardly beyond criticism or debate, but the Ryan plan is neither Big Rock Candy Mountain nor some radical departure from American norms.

Mr. Obama came out for further cuts in the defense budget, but where? His plan is to ask Defense Secretary Bob Gates and Joint Chiefs Chairman Mike Mullen "to find additional savings," whatever those might be, after a "fundamental review." These mystery cuts would follow two separate, recent rounds of deep cuts that were supposed to stave off further Pentagon triage amid several wars and escalating national security threats.

Mr. Obama rallied the left with a summons for major tax increases on "the rich." Every U.S. fiscal trouble, he claimed, flows from the Bush tax cuts "for the wealthiest 2%," conveniently passing over what he euphemistically called his own "series of emergency steps that saved millions of jobs." Apparently he means the $814 billion stimulus that failed and a new multitrillion-dollar entitlement in ObamaCare that harmed job creation.

Under the Obama tax plan, the Bush rates would be repealed for the top brackets. Yet the "cost" of extending all the Bush rates in 2011 over 10 years was about $3.7 trillion. Some $3 trillion of that was for everything but the top brackets—and Mr. Obama says he wants to extend those rates forever. According to Internal Revenue Service data, the entire taxable income of everyone earning over $100,000 in 2008 was about $1.582 trillion. Even if all these Americans—most of whom are far from wealthy—were taxed at 100%, it wouldn't cover Mr. Obama's deficit for this year.

Mr. Obama sought more tax-hike cover under his deficit commission, seeming to embrace its proposal to limit tax deductions and other loopholes. But the commission wanted to do so in order to lower rates for a more efficient and competitive code with a broader base. Mr. Obama wants to pocket the tax increase and devote the revenues to deficit reduction and therefore more spending. So that's three significant tax increases—via higher top brackets, the tax hikes in ObamaCare and fewer tax deductions.

Lastly, Mr. Obama came out for a debt "failsafe," which will require the White House and Congress to hash out a deal if by 2014 projected debt is not declining as a share of the economy. But under his plan any deal must exclude Social Security, Medicare or low-income programs. So that means more tax increases or else "making government smarter, leaner and more effective." Which, now that he mentioned it, sounds a lot like cutting "waste and abuse."

Mr. Obama ludicrously claimed that Mr. Ryan favors "a fundamentally different America than the one we've known throughout most of our history." Nothing is likelier to bring that future about than the President's political indifference in the midst of a fiscal crisis.

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Outside View: President’s budget speech offers little to cheer
Published: April 14, 2011 at 7:18 AM
By PETER MORICI, UPI Outside View Commentator



COLLEGE PARK, Md., April 14 (UPI) -- U.S. President Barack Obama's plan to balance the budget was a brilliant political speech -- highlighting weakness in the Republican deficit reduction proposal drafted by Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis. -- but it offered little new or encouraging that would correct Washington's troubled finances.

Once again, Obama blamed President George W. Bush for the mess -- citing two wars and tax cuts that were not funded -- when his own political party is more culpable.

In 2007, the last year before the financial crisis and former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and the Democrats took control of Congress, the deficit was a quite manageable $161 billion. Over the next four years, spending has increased $1.1 trillion and the deficit jumped to $1.6 trillion.

The president's February budget projected the deficit would fall to $772 billion by 2022. However, that forecast is dubious, because it assumes 4 percent growth over the next four years, which few economists would endorse, and cuts in Medicare payments to physicians and hospitals few political observers believe will materialize. More likely, deficits will exceed $1 trillion, or even $1.5 trillion for the next decade, without further action.

In his speech Wednesday the president claimed to be tabling $4 trillion in additional cuts over 12 years but there was little new from his February budget.

Obama proposed higher taxes on families earning more than $250,000 a year. While that may be good populist politics, those tax increases were already in his February budget and presenting those as additional deficit reduction is deception not worthy of his high office.

As he suggested, some loopholes could be plugged in corporate tax rules. However, moderate Democrats and Republicans agree U.S. corporate taxes are too high for American companies to be competitive. Most revenue that might be found fixing abuses will eventually have to be put into lower corporate taxes for those firms bearing an unfair share of the burden.

Central to the fiscal mess are the rapidly growing bills for Medicaid and Medicare and Social Security. The president suggested using huge Medicare purchases to negotiate lower drug prices but he offered no specifics about how that is to be done.

For the rest of healthcare spending, he again asserted the regulatory panels and boards established by 2010 healthcare reform law would cut costs but the jump in 2011 health insurance premiums reveals those measures are ineffective.

Federal and state governments pay 55 cents of every dollar Americans spend on healthcare and government reimbursements, not a private market, determine most prices for health services.

Germany and Holland, like the United States, have systems of private insurers and government reimbursements pay nearly 80 percent of healthcare costs. Yet, in those countries healthcare costs are about half the nearly $8,000 America spends for each citizen, because the German and Dutch governments do a better job of regulating prices.

Neither the president nor congressional Republicans have explained how they are going to improve on subpar U.S. regulatory performance and significantly lower prices for health care services. Until they do, it is hard to take either party's deficit reduction plans seriously.

The Republican plan -- Ryan's "Path to Prosperity" -- would replace federal Medicaid with block grants to the states and Medicare with vouchers to seniors to buy private insurance. But those tactics, as the president correctly asserts, would merely shift the problem of paying too much for healthcare services onto the backs of the poor and elderly.

On Social Security, the basic problems are that Americans are living much longer and retiring long before their health requires and the ratio of retirees to working age Americans is too high and rising. Simply, the retirement age should be raised to 70 for Americans under the age of 55 and neither the president nor congressional Republicans want to take the political heat for telling Americans the hard truth.

When Democrats and Republicans are willing to start seriously regulating prices for health services and embrace a substantial and immediate increase in the retirement age, Americans will know they are serious.

Until then, the political speeches will continue and investors should conclude that U.S. Treasury securities are a risky long-term investment. It's high time Standard and Poor's and other agencies downgraded the federal government's AAA bond rating.

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(Peter Morici is a professor at the Smith School of Business, University of Maryland School, and former chief economist at the U.S. International Trade Commission.

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(United Press International's "Outside View" commentaries are written by outside contributors who specialize in a variety of important issues. The views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of United Press International. In the interests of creating an open forum, original submissions are invited.)



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Obama's speech yesterday was a new low even for him.   It was one o the most dishonest things I have heard n a long time.   

No wonder the 95%'ers loved t.   

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Obama continues his ass-kicking of 3333...gives an awesome speech today on major deficit reduction and tells the american public that cuts to social programs and tax increases that he proposes will decrease the deficit by 4 trillion dollars within the next 10-12 years

and he plans to tax the rich at the fair rate in which they should be taxed...they have been getting a free ride for years....Obama must also tax the oil companies who are getting record profits....

So for all you conservatives out there..Obama is now tackling the budget deficit and has outlined a plan to reduce it dramatically in upcoming years if he gets the cooperation of the Republicans....

OBAMA WILL BE THE GREATEST PRESIDENT OF ALL TIME BY THE TIME HE IS DONE!!!!! :D

Could you kindly remove the scrotum from your lips and get some facts straight, please?

First, Obama didn't define any "fair rate" in his speech. Heck, no "tax the rich" liberal does.

"Obama is now tackling the budget deficit... NEWS FLASH!!! He should have done this OVER A YEAR AGO. If he'd been doing such an "awesome" job with this or any other issue, the Dems wouldn't have received that @$$-whipping they took at midterms; and he'd still have complete control of Washington.

He and the Dems failed to pass the 2011 budget, because they wanted to do all that mess he talked in that speech. Had they even tried it, they would have been clobbered even worse than they were.


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Again - obama screamed about not having medicare recpients subject to the private insurance market price increases yet that is exactly what bama care does to the rest of us!   


Who cant see what a liar this pofs is?   

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Interesting. I thought Republicans was supposed to be the only party to use the politics of class warfare and fear. So much for that theory.

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Interesting. I thought Republicans was supposed to be the only party to use the politics of class warfare and fear. So much for that theory.

says who?  both parties use it, quite effectively.

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Obama's Speech Was a Waste of Breath
By Clive Crook
Apr 13 2011, 3:53 PM ET
www.theatlantic.com




Obama had a difficult assignment in this speech, partly because of the exaggerated hopes for it (see previous post). Even allowing for that, it was weak both politically and substantively. My instant unguarded reaction, in fact, was to find it not just weak but pitiful. I honestly wondered why he bothered.

There was no sign of anything worth calling a plan to curb borrowing faster than in the budget. He offered no more than a list of headings under which $4 trillion of deficit reduction (including the $2 trillion already in his budget) might be found--domestic non-security spending, defense, health costs, and tax reform. Fine, sure. But what he said was devoid of detail. He spent more of his time stressing what he would not agree to than describing clear proposals of his own.


His rebuttal of the Ryan plan was all very well--I agree it's no good--but the administration still lacks a rival plan. That, surely, is what this speech had to provide, or at least point to, if it was going to be worth giving in the first place. His criticisms of Ryan and the Republicans need no restating. And did the country need another defense of public investment in clean energy and the American social contract? It wanted to be told how fiscal policy is going to be mended: if not by the Ryan plan, with its many grave defects, then how?

Bowles-Simpson is the right basic answer. Obama several times said he was drawing on their recommendations, but he did so only partially and incoherently. He has not embraced their overall approach, not by a long shot. Nothing on Social Security. Little of what they propose on Medicare. And on tax reform I think he is actually making it harder for himself to move, eventually, in their direction.

Far from seeking compromise on tax policy, the whole speech was yet again organised around an attack on the evil Bush tax cuts, and a promise to reverse them in part. We would not be in this mess, he said, but for the Bush tax cuts and the Medicare prescription drug benefit. I wondered, as he said that, is he therefore going to call for the drug benefit to be halted and all the Bush tax cuts to be reversed? Stupid question. Of course not. Just the tax cuts for the rich, leaving the much larger part of the Bush tax policy in place. Even now, he is deploring the Bush tax cuts as the cause of all the country's problems while actually proposing to leave most of them alone.

Bowles-Simpson proposes a base-broadening assault on tax expenditures and a lowering of marginal rates, for an overall increase in revenue. Obama picked up the tax-expenditure idea, mentioning Bowles-Simpson as he did so, but combined it with reaffirmed hostility to lower tax rates for the rich. (Again with the millionaires and billionaires.) He is still proposing an increase, not a decrease, in marginal rates on high incomes combined with restricted tax expenditures for those at the top of the income distribution--that is to say, two rounds of increases in high-income tax rates. The rich can pay for it all. That is Obama's tax policy. The whole point and key virtue of the Bowles-Simpson approach to taxes is that it held out the prospect of a deal between Democrats and Republicans: lower marginal rates in return for higher revenues. Obama appears to rule this out on principle.

The speech was more notable for its militant--though ineffectual--hostility to Republican proposals than for any fresh thinking of its own. It was a waste of breath.

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Only fools and sheeple would applaud Obama's horrific speech yesterday (Hi, 240, Straw, KC, blackenwhork25cohibaneur otoxinmonsvenus!).

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Charles Krauthammer On Obama's Speech: "It Was A Disgrace"

 

"I rarely heard a speech by a president so shallow, so hyper-partisan and so intellectually dishonest, outside the last couple of weeks of a presidential election where you are allowed to call your opponent anything short of a traitor. But we're a year and a half away from Election Day and it was supposed to be a speech about policy," syndicate columnist Dr. Charles Krauthammer said about President Obama's speech.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/13/charles_krauthammer_on_obamas_speech_it_was_a_disgrace.html



Video at site.   

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Rep. Paul Ryan: Obama Gave A Campaign Speech, Not A Plan
 

"What we got yesterday was the opposite of what he said is necessary to fix this problem, and so I think what we got yesterday was a reelection campaign speech. I guess it sort of tipped it off to me this last weekend when we heard he was floating a speech, not a plan necessarily but a speech and he sent his campaign manager out to discuss it, not his budget director, not his Treasury secretary, not his chief of council economic advisers, but he sent his campaign manager out to announce this," Rep. Paul Ryan said today.


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/04/14/rep_paul_ryan_obama_gave_a_campaign_speech_not_a_plan.html