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so its okay for the rich not to pay their fair share of taxes???....meanwhile you and the other kneepab conservatives on here constantly complain about people getting a free ride....keep up the hypocrisy please..it makes me laugh even harder!!! ;D

You don't know shit from shinola, I guess footing most of the bill isn't enough for you. Same cry baby shit from the over educated, under employed 40 year old virgins.
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what plan do conservative have except to cut taxes even more for the rich???...meanwhile it was revealed that many tea party members get government subsidies...but thats okay because they are well off right???

At least they presented a plan which is more than I can say for the dems, who by the way controlled the congress and the executive. Cry me a fucking river, you act like being poor is some debilitating disease. Bullshit, I'm sick of you left wings jackwagons always crying about whats fair, some of us work for a fucking living and it is not my responsibility to give people who don't a free ride. Fuck them and fuck you, your very existence offends me
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Andreisaretard's thread title from yesterday: "OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES... speech outlines major deficit reduction"


Andreisaretard's post 5 minutes ago: Obama's speech wasn't meant to outline a detailed plan...he would need to talk for three hours to do that....he simply stated his intentions....










You're a moron.



Between him and Straw Man you've gotta wonder if the double talk will ever end.



Give it up Andre, you and your Messiah have nothing.

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what plan do conservative have except to cut taxes even more for the rich???...meanwhile it was revealed that many tea party members get government subsidies...but thats okay because they are well off right???

Ryan's plan laid out everything he intended to do quite nicely. Obama gave a campaign speech and didn't lay out anything. He spent a wee bit of time alluding to what he wanted to do before falling back into his usual class warfare angle and blaming Bush. Much like you, he's a joke.



Between him and Straw Man you've gotta wonder if the double talk will ever end.



Give it up Andre, you and your Messiah have nothing.

It won't end. Nor will it end with their Messiah. They're just following his lead, after all.

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What happened to simpson bowles? 

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Obama blows up the bridge
World Net Daily ^ | 4/14/2011 | Patrick J Buchanan




"Rather than building bridges, he's poisoning wells," said Rep. Paul Ryan, after listening to Barack Obama's scathing attack on his deficit-reduction plan as a shredding of America's social contract with the elderly and poor.


Ryan is right. Yet, with Obama's partisan savagery, virtually calling the GOP plan immoral, we have clarity.


There will be no grand bipartisan bargain on taxes and spending.


The two parties on Capitol Hill and the president will not be coming together to solve the gravest financial and fiscal crisis America has faced since the Great Depression. Between them today is a high wall and a deep ditch.


Read more: Obama blows up the bridge http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=287225#ixzz1JaEloR8d


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Debt-fix 'wise men' suckered by Bam
By CHARLES GASPARINO

Last Updated: 4:32 AM, April 15, 2011
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One way to know that President Oba ma's much-hyped "fiscal austerity" speech bombed is that even members of his own deficit-reduction commission apparently felt betrayed.

Sure, Erskine Bowles, the commission's Democratic chair, and Alan Simpson, the Republican, made some nice public statement about Obama's deficit-reduction plan after they met with him yesterday -- one day after the president unveiled his scheme to miraculously cut $4 trillion without reining in the looming catastrophes of Medicare and other entitlements. But people I spoke to in corporate America got a more unvarnished reaction in private from the debt-committee chieftains.

"What these guys can't understand is how Obama can ask them to come up with something, and then he doesn't listen to what they proposed," a Wall Street executive who knows both men well told me a few hours after the president's address on Wednesday.

More: "Erskine and Alan have been working both sides of the aisle trying to get people interested -- and then the guy who appointed them basically ignores what they said."

Say what you want about Bowles/Simpson's solutions -- living in high-tax New York, I was offended when Simpson said I needed to "sacrifice" more with higher taxes to fix the nation's fiscal mess. But the commission clearly saw the problem right: The huge explosion in spending on such entitlements as Medicare is as much a threat to our economy as our reliance on Mideast oil; we need to find a way to pay for those programs or cut them down to size.

The Republicans were willing to listen to them: Rep. Paul Ryan's plan, released last week, follows the commission in proposing major tax reform -- closing loopholes, lowering rates and using some of the savings to balance the federal books.

Yet the president appears to forget he ever appointed a bipartisan commission to deal with the nation's fiscal issues. In fact, his tone Wednesday was highly partisan, as if runaway spending was just a right-wing boogeyman.

Of course, his "calculations" are pure fantasy. He offered no real details as to how his $4 trillion in "cuts" might be achieved, and he stretched them out over more than a decade. Somehow, we're supposed to believe that we can afford all the big government programs already in action, not to mention ObamaCare, just by raising taxes on "millionaires and billionaires" who make $250,000 a year.

I don't believe it -- and neither, I'm told, do the people who run Obama's deficit commission.

What appears to have Bowles and Simpson most upset is that the president basically dropped all their reform ideas -- like the call to cut crippling entitlements, like Medicare, and Social Security -- while embracing the tax hikes.

Worse, Obama on Wednesday basically treated entitlements as sacred -- calling them a "fundamental commitment this country has kept for generations."

Weirder still is his attitude toward taxes. For Bowles and Simpson, tax hikes are nothing short of a necessary evil to prevent fiscal Armageddon.

But the president insists on calling everyone making over $250,000 "millionaires and billionaires" -- who, he wildly claims, have gotten "trillions of dollars of tax cuts" in recent years.

Anyway, he had to agree to extend the Bush-era tax rates last fall, when Democrats still had huge majorities in Congress. How does he figure he'll get higher taxes now? Doesn't seem to matter -- his budget still returns to his obsession with raising taxes on the so-called rich.

Simpson and Bowles have to play nice publicly. But in private, I'm told, they figure their work has been reduced to rubble by the president who appointed them. Their only real value to him was as window dressing, so he could pretend he cared about the deficit and the economy in the runup to the last Election Day.

Wonder who he'll find to be his patsies come fall 2012?

Charles Gasparino is a Fox Business Net work senior correspondent.

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Obama kicks budget can down the road
By Laurence J. Kotlikoff, Special to CNN
April 14, 2011 11:48 a.m. EDT
Laurence Kotlikoff: Obama didn't provide solutions to debt problem



Editor's note: Laurence J. Kotlikoff, an economist, is a William Fairfield Warren Professor at Boston University, a columnist for Bloomberg and Forbes and the author of 14 books including, "Jimmy Stewart Is Dead" (John Wiley and Sons), "The Healthcare Fix" (MIT Press) and "The Coming Generational Storm" (co-authored with Scott Burns, MIT Press).

Boston (CNN) -- In his speech on our nation's long-term budget crisis Wednesday, President Barack Obama identified the problem, but he failed to provide concrete solutions.

Indeed, when it came to describing how he would fix federal health care spending, Obama stayed pretty close to his budget document in which he said that Medicare and Medicaid costs would come down because they'd come down and, if they didn't, a panel of experts would tell Congress to lower them.

Give us a break. This is simply a continuation of kick-the-can down the road, which leaves ever larger government bills for our kids to pay.

To be clear, the president is absolutely right that the Bush administration made the fiscal situation much much worse. Indeed, President George W. Bush's administration is arguably the most fiscally profligate in our nation's history. And Obama is also right that high-income households can and must make a much larger tax contribution to help get our nation's finances in order.

Eloquence is no substitute for substance. We need real leadership now, not after the next election.

--Laurence Kotlikoff
 
But Obama's speech made no effort to find common ground with House Budget Chairman Paul Ryan's plan to address Medicare and Medicare. Ryan was brave enough to say exactly what he thinks needs to be done with these programs.

If you read his Medicare plan carefully, you'll see that it's highly progressive because the size of each Medicare participant's voucher is based on his/her pre-existing health conditions, and poor participants have worse health status, on average, than rich participants.

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Ryan's plan also puts the government on a fixed health care spending budget when it comes to these two programs, each of which is fully capable, on its own, of bankrupting the country.

I voted for and even campaigned for the president, and my jaw drops every time I hear him speak. But eloquence is no substitute for substance. We need real leadership now, not after the next election.

Since providing basic health care is our biggest cost driver, this is the first order of business. In this regard, what we don't need is one basic health system for the elderly, one for the poor, one for the uninsured and one for the employed.

What we do need is the simple solution described at http://www.thepurplehealthplan.org/petition-list. I launched this website last week with the support of five Nobel Laureates in economics. It's a health care fix that both parties can live with and, frankly, the country cannot live without.

Had the President proposed something along these lines, which is fundamentally very similar to his own health exchanges and to Paul Ryan's plan, I'd be singing his praises and backing his reelection.

The Purple Health Plan replaces our four existing healthcare structures -- Medicare, Medicaid, the Health Exchanges, and Employer-Based Healthcare -- with one efficient, fair, and cost-controlled system. Specifically, the Purple Health Plan provides all Americans with vouchers each year to purchase a basic healthcare policy. Those with bad genes or bad luck receive larger vouchers. The vouchers are paid for by our taxes.

We pay for a basic health plan of our choosing solely with the voucher. Insurance providers of the basic plan can't turn us down. But they will also have no incentive to cherry pick because those with higher expected insurance costs will have higher vouchers. Each year a panel of doctors determines what coverages are included in the basic plan. They do so under a strict budget requiring the cost of all the vouchers not exceed 10 percent of GDP. Ten percent of GDP is close to what Germany spends in total on its healthcare system. It's plenty to provide an excellent basic healthcare system for all Americans. It's also the amount we are now spending at the federal and state levels, including implicitly via tax subsidies to employer-based health insurance.

So paying for the Purple Health Plan doesn't require new taxes. It requires reallocating resources we are now spending inefficiently to this new system. The new plan retains full private provision of healthcare. Insurance companies will complete to offer the homogeneous basic plan and will be motivated to neither under- nor over-provide care and to also offer their participants financial incentives to lower their weight, stop smoking, take their meds, and otherwise improve their health.

The Purple Health Plan is not a blue plan or a red plan. It's a plan all Americans can understand and embrace. And it's receiving endorsements by the minute. With enough signatories to the Purple Health Plan, the two parties will see the light!

So the game is not over. We don't need to spend the next two years watching the two parties point fingers and accomplish nothing. Nor do we have to wait until China and other creditors tell us the gig is up by refusing to buy our government's bonds as some leading bond traders already have decided to do.

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If you like the plan, endorse it and forward the URL to everyone you know. It's time for we the people to be heard -- to show both parties a safe middle road that everyone can embrace and that won't drive our nation broke.

President John F. Kennedy said, "Our problems are man-made. Therefore they may be solved by man. No problem of human destiny is beyond human beings." Let's do him proud.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Laurence Kotlikoff.

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Takin' a break from the law books for a sec?


Most of my stuff is not legal research related.   

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what plan do conservatives have except to cut taxes even more for the rich???...cutting taxes recklessly is what got us into this mess...meanwhile it was revealed that many tea party members get government subsidies...but thats okay because they are well off right???

At best the statement is totally unfounded and at worst an outright lie. Read Ryan's fucking plan, or at least give it a cursory glance before you start posting non-truths, half-truths and MSNBC sponsored garbage.

Please be better than this.

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first of all he had other major problems to tackle but he is now tackling the deficit....give him some credit...and again you are another dupe for the rich....they have to pay their fair share of taxes..you can't keep giving them tax break after tax break.....the rich have convinced guys like you that they shouldn't be taxed because they create jobs...so what????..taxes on them are the lowest they've ever been/.///its time for them to pay like you and me

Once again, Obama DID NOT define any tax rate. What is this supposedly "fair" share that the rich are obligated to pay?

This applies to people making over $250K (which ain't rich in certain parts of the country). As I said elsewhere, when people wonder how certain entertainers end up broke, I mentioned how 90s hip-hop/R&B group, TLC, ended up netting just $50,000 a piece off their biggest-selling album.

As one member, the late Lisa "Lefteye" Lopez explained, part of the reason is the government took nearly half their money in taxes.



As I also said elsewhere, this is all about covetousness and people like you, who think you're entitled to other folks' money simply because you're breathing.


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Andreisaretard's thread title from yesterday: "OBAMA'S ASS-KICKING OF 3333 CONTINUES... speech outlines major deficit reduction"


Andreisaretard's post 5 minutes ago: Obama's speech wasn't meant to outline a detailed plan...he would need to talk for three hours to do that....he simply stated his intentions....










You're a moron.


moron seems to a favorite word for you....try saying it while looking in the mirror

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Sick burn, yo!  ::)

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You don't know shit from shinola, I guess footing most of the bill isn't enough for you. Same cry baby shit from the over educated, under employed 40 year old virgins.

wow..my God you are useless!!!

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At best the statement is totally unfounded and at worst an outright lie. Read Ryan's fucking plan, or at least give it a cursory glance before you start posting non-truths, half-truths and MSNBC sponsored garbage.

Please be better than this.

I love it that all of you guys are starting to curse..that means I got ya..keep it up..I AM OWNING ALL OF YOU BY MYSELF!!!!

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Keep telling yourself that.

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Once again, Obama DID NOT define any tax rate. What is this supposedly "fair" share that the rich are obligated to pay?

This applies to people making over $250K (which ain't rich in certain parts of the country). As I said elsewhere, when people wonder how certain entertainers end up broke, I mentioned how 90s hip-hop/R&B group, TLC, ended up netting just $50,000 a piece off their biggest-selling album.

As one member, the late Lisa "Lefteye" Lopez explained, part of the reason is the government took nearly half their money in taxes.



As I also said elsewhere, this is all about covetousness and people like you, who think you're entitled to other folks' money simply because you're breathing.




This is off-topic, but many of these entertainers wind up broke due to the lousy contracts with managers, promoters, lawyers etc, they sign..not so much due to taxation by government

case in point: when Tupac Shakur died, it was found that he was basically broke.....even his car was actually owned by his record company who let him drive it..his record company kept most of the profits....many of these artists appear to be rich but a lot of that stuff is leased/bought by the record companies who then turn around and charge the artist for all of that stuff...

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This is off-topic, but many of these entertainers wind up broke due to the lousy contracts with managers, promoters, lawyers etc, they sign..not so much due to taxation by government

case in point: when Tupac Shakur died, it was found that he was basically broke.....even his car was actually owned by his record company who let him drive it..his record company kept most of the profits....many of these artists appear to be rich but a lot of that stuff is leased/bought by the record companies who then turn around and charge the artist for all of that stuff...


As for entertainers, Left Eye stated it herself. Of the $5.6 million they got for the sales on "Waterfalls", LaFace Records recouped their investment off the top.


Now, we have $2.6 million to split between the three of us. Well, GUESS WHAT!!! When you make that much money, you're in the 47/48/49 percent tax bracket. So, that immediately gets deducted to $1.3 million.

So, one more time: What is this supposedly "fair" share that the rich are obligated to pay? Is it HALF their salary? 70%? Let's get some numbers here!!!!

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what plan do conservatives have except to cut taxes even more for the rich???...cutting taxes recklessly is what got us into this mess...meanwhile it was revealed that many tea party members get government subsidies...but thats okay because they are well off right???

Tax cuts DID NOT get us into this mess.

Largest Bush Deficit: FY 2008 - $455 billion
Smallest Obama Deficit: FY 2010 - $1.3 trillion

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wow..my God you are useless!!!

Yeah I'm useless, your a left wing hack, who throws out some BS and them pats themself on the back for "owning" people.

Truth hurt does it?
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Clock's ticking, Andre.

What is this supposedly "fair" share that the rich are obligated to pay?

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As for entertainers, Left Eye stated it herself. Of the $5.6 million they got for the sales on "Waterfalls", LaFace Records recouped their investment off the top.


Now, we have $2.6 million to split between the three of us. Well, GUESS WHAT!!! When you make that much money, you're in the 47/48/49 percent tax bracket. So, that immediately gets deducted to $1.3 million.

So, one more time: What is this supposedly "fair" share that the rich are obligated to pay? Is it HALF their salary? 70%? Let's get some numbers here!!!!


its definitely more than what the are paying now....all statistics show the rich are paying less taxes than they have payed in quite some time....and their earnings are growing fast while the average American wage is going down and widening the gap between rich and poor...you can't keep having a widening disparity in what the rich and poor pay...society can't function and you will eventually have class warfare

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Yeah I'm useless, your a left wing hack, who throws out some BS and them pats themself on the back for "owning" people.

Truth hurt does it?

I guess I'm left wing because you say so, huh?..meanwhile I supported Bush and the Iraqi invasion.....the truth hurts that someone here has critical thinking skills and can see both sides of the issue....keep trying..come back when you have something new

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Here is the fucking retarded thing: Raising taxes on those who make more than $250000 at the most would get you $70 billion a year. You gotta be fucking kidding. You are losing a lot in innovation and lost jobs if you raise thier taxes though. Unfortunately, people do seem to support this, but that is because they havent thought it through at all. People fucking suck. They dont want to cut medicaire, social security or medicaid, but they want taxes raises on those who make more money than them. SOmebody tell these fucking retards that it is the spending and investing of other people that make more money than you that creates YOUR JOB and INCOME. FUCK!!!!

We seriously need to cut spending and taxes are high enough but it's the level of demand for goods and services(primarily from people making under 250k) which kills or creates jobs/improves the economy, raising or lowering taxes on the wealthy by a few percentage points from current levels would have a negligible effect.