Per WSJ/NBC poll -81% of Respondent generally in favor of surtax on Millionaires

[Fury]

     

Since that number does not even make a dent into our debt and deficit problems - is your enthusiastic "soak the rich" crap based on actual deficit reduction numers or a sense of "fairness" ad "make the bastards pay" far left rhetoric? ?      

It's your typical socialist rhetoric. Obama dropped the same exact line in his shitty speech yesterday.

[GigantorX]

it's pretty simple

those who have benefited from our markets and are very wealthly can afford to pay a little bit more (and won't even feel it)

where are all those patriots who love their country so much?

Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.

But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.

I mean, really?

[MCWAY]

it did more for the economy than the Bush tax cuts and cost less too

BUSH tax cuts?? Four months ago, they were the OBAMA tax cuts, according to the media sack-slurpers.

[Straw Man]

It's your typical socialist rhetoric. Obama dropped the same exact line in his shitty speech yesterday.

You made a claim that 70% disaprove of Obama care and although you were too lazy to provide the actual source I provided it for you

Here is it again (so you don't have to be bothered to scroll up)

Please tell me the where in this poll you see result.  I've read it and I can't find it

 http://www.ap-gfkpoll.com/pdf/AP-GfK%20Poll%20032911.pdf

[Straw Man]

BUSH tax cuts?? Four months ago, they were the OBAMA tax cuts, according to the media sack-slurpers.

no they weren't

they were always the Bush Tax cuts and he was always opposed to extending them but the Repubs decided to hold up extending unemployment benefits at Christmas time (not that the time of year matters) and so he caved in and extended the Bush Tax Cuts

Remember all the rhetoric about "extortion" and "hostage takers"

[Fury]

Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.

But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.

I mean, really?

You have to remember that you're dealing with a retard here. This guy's entire existence revolves around "being rich = horrible and being an impoverished benefit-leech who contributes nothing to anything = good".

Quoting his Messiah and asking the people who already pay 86% of this country's taxes to "pay a little more" is pretty comical. Think about the revenues they could generate if the 50% of deadbeats that don't pay anything were taxed.

[Soul Crusher]

no they weren't

they were always the Bush Tax cuts and he was always opposed to extending them but the Repubs decided to hold up extending unemployment benefits at Christmas time (not that the time of year matters) and so he caved in and extended the Bush Tax Cuts

Remember all the rhetoric about "extortion" and "hostage takers"

[240 is Back]

81% of Americans are ignorant sluts.

[Straw Man]

Almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare right now. So you're cool with getting rid of it? After all, "you'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them."

Returning to the tax levels of the Clinton years wouldn't be a bad thing. Nor would taxing the 50% of Americans who pay dick every year, too.

so even when I provide the poll which you were too lazy to find yourself you are still too lazy to merely prove your own claim ?

[Fury]

so even when I provide the poll which you were too lazy to find yourself you are still too lazy to merely prove your own claim ?

Prove what? I posted a Businessweek article. Businessweek is a widely read, very well received and entirely credible news source. I didn't bother clicking your link and I'm certainly not going to waste my time sorting through pages of .pdf files as I have no reason to believe that they would be dishonest. If you have a problem with it, feel free to take it up with Businessweek. I'm certainly not going to waste my time with it.

You can replace "Obamacare" with "illegal immigration" and my point still stands. Americans have been consistently against the policies of your God and his party yet they carry on their merry own way. Why do the numbers matter now? Can't be because they fall in line with your beliefs, could it?  

[Kazan]

it's pretty simple

those who have benefited from our markets and are very wealthly can afford to pay a little bit more (and won't even feel it)

where are all those patriots who love their country so much?

Why? Because you think so? What about those that don't pay cent or work for that matter? Where are all those patriots that love their country so much? Oh thats rights its easier to let someone else foot the bill, well because they have managed to become successful. This right here is the reason I cannot identify with the left wing, their thought process is foreign to me. Always looking for a way to take from the productive to give to the unproductive. I don't think I'm entitled to anything, and I don't think anyone else is either. Its very simple, get off your ass and contribute, if thats to much to ask then, well tuff shit you go without.

[Straw Man]

Prove what? I posted a Businessweek article. Businessweek is a widely read, very well received and entirely credible news source. I didn't bother clicking your link and I'm certainly not going to waste my time sorting through pages of .pdf files as I have no reason to believe that they would be dishonest. If you have a problem with it, feel free to take it up with Businessweek. I'm certainly not going to waste my time with it.

You can replace "Obamacare" with "illegal immigration" and my point still stands. Americans have been consistently against the policies of your God and his party yet they carry on their merry own way. Why do the numbers matter now? Can't be because they fall in line with your beliefs, could it?  

here's the text of the article

where is the statement that "almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare

btw - if you weren't too lazy to read the poll you'd see when asked whether they approve of approve, disapprove or neither approve nor disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling healthare you'd see the result was 52% total aproval vs 48% total disaprove

Again - you should really read the source documents yourself so you don't appear to be misinformed or even worse, a liar (I'll assume you just misinformed like most people on the right)

A new poll finds support for President Barack Obama's overhaul at its lowest level since passage last year.

Worries about government deficits that keep rising due to health care costs appear to be driving the numbers.

The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent, while opposition stands at 45 percent, and another 17 percent are neutral.

Among seniors, support has dipped below 30 percent for the first time.

But in an interview Tuesday with the AP, Medicare chief Donald Berwick pleaded for more time on the health care law. And he branded a leading Republican plan "unfair and harmful" and "a form of withholding care."

The poll comes ahead of a major speech by Obama on the deficit, scheduled for Wednesday.

[Soul Crusher]

People like blacken, Straw, KC, Benny, Mal, andre et al think the parasite, the leech, the grifter, the gang banger, the thug, the Peggy Joseph, the Crystal Mangum, the welfare bum, the whino, the doper, the ex con are pillars ofthe society and need to be taken care of by the evil taxpayers who slave away all day as it is.  

[Straw Man]

Why? Because you think so? What about those that don't pay cent or work for that matter? Where are all those patriots that love their country so much? Oh thats rights its easier to let someone else foot the bill, well because they have managed to become successful. This right here is the reason I cannot identify with the left wing, their thought process is foreign to me. Always looking for a way to take from the productive to give to the unproductive. I don't think I'm entitled to anything, and I don't think anyone else is either. Its very simple, get off your ass and contribute, if thats to much to ask then, well tuff shit you go without.

because it's fair and (yes, I think so) which is exactly the same reason for your point of view

the people who have benefitted the most can afford to give a little more and at the very lease we shouldn't have to borrow money in order to give the wealthy a tax cut that they don't even need

that's just common sense and common decency

[Fury]

here's the text of the article

where is the statement that "almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare

btw - if you weren't too lazy to read the poll you'd see when asked whether they approve of approve, disapprove or neither approve nor disapprove of the way Barack Obama is handling healthare you'd see the result was 52% total aproval vs 48% total disaprove

Again - you should really read the source documents yourself so you don't appear to be misinformed or even worse, a liar (I'll assume you just misinformed like most people on the right)

Hahahah, really? I should read the sources when you're the one playing word games? Why did you choose to ignore the sentence before the one you bolded?

"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"

"Opposition to" something and "disapproving" something are two different concepts, slick. Looks like Businessweek was right here. Funny, and I bet you thought you had me pegged here.

But kudos to you for completely warping the point of my post. Not surprising as you know addressing my question would expose you for a hypocrite.

[Fury]

Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.

But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.

I mean, really?

Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.

But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.

I mean, really?

Again, why aren't you concerned about half the nation not paying income taxes? Why is that not a big deal to you? I agree that the ultra rich have an advantage via tax deductions, itemized deductions, and the ability to have a lot of "income" fall under capital gains (15% for long term or 25% short term), that can be easily rectified.

But, again, half the nation pays zero income taxes and a large majority of that 48% actually gets money/services from the govt. Why isn't that a big deal to you? Half the fucking nation knows nothing of the cost of govt. why should 20% of the nation pay for 86% of the bills? You want to talk about "paying your fair share" you should probably start with half the nation paying ZERO in income taxes and not the top 4-5% that pay 50% of the income taxes.

I mean, really?

Why does Straw Man keep ignoring this post? Is it because he's incapable of refuting it?

[Straw Man]

People like blacken, Straw, KC, Benny, Mal, andre et al think the parasite, the leech, the grifter, the gang banger, the thug, the Peggy Joseph, the Crystal Mangum, the welfare bum, the whino, the doper, the ex con are pillars ofthe society and need to be taken care of by the evil taxpayers who slave away all day as it is.

I've never takend a day of welfare, unemployment in my life.

why don't you move out of the ghetto and quite whining about your neighbors

[Kazan]

because it's fair and (yes, I think so) which is exactly the same reason for your point of view

the people who have benefitted the most can afford to give a little more and at the very lease we shouldn't have to borrow money in order to give the wealthy a tax cut that they don't even need

that's just common sense and common decency

Oh so now we are going into this moral argument of whats fair? Is it fair that I have to get up everyday, work 60+ hours a week, just so my tax dollars can go to someone who chooses not to? What kind of fucked up reasoning is that?

[Fury]

Oh so now we are going into this moral argument of whats fair? Is it fair that I have to get up everyday, work 60+ hours a week, just so my tax dollars can go to someone who chooses not to? What kind of fucked up reasoning is that?

You've seen this guy's posting history, right? He's a moron so of course his reasoning is fucked up. He's a bay-area liberal living in fantasy land.

Here are some other classics:

"The post office is doing well."
"George Washington was as liberal as I am."

[Kazan]

You've seen this guy's posting history, right? He's a moron so of course his reasoning is fucked up. He's a bay-area liberal living in fantasy land.

Well it makes no sense to me, there was a time in this country where "well-fare" was handled by charitable contributions ( the church, salvation army.......) and the goodwill of others. But now that the left has managed to entrench itself in the government I am forced to do so, just so they can buy votes with my tax dollars. Yeah straw lets fucking talk about what is fair and common decency

If you want to give money to the poor, more power to you, but the problem is you think its perfectly acceptable to use the government to force everyone to do so. Sorry but its my money I earned it and I will decide what I do with it.

And one more thing, I am about fed up with this leftist ideology that being poor is some debilitating disease, and its no their fault bullshit.

[Soul Crusher]

Hey Straw - if you feel you are being taxed too little - why not donate what you feel is fair to the US Treasury?

Ootherwise, leave me the fuck alone and take your failed bright ideas and shove them up your ass.     

[Straw Man]

Why does Straw Man keep ignoring this post? Is it because he's incapable of refuting it?

are you fucking joking

I can't respond to every post all the time but since it seems important to you I'll respond to it as soon as you show me proof of your statement that "almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare righ now" or admit you're a liar (or the new Republican way of saying you're a liar) that "it was not intended to be a factual statement"

[Straw Man]

Hey Straw - if you feel you are being taxed too little - why not donate what you feel is fair to the US Treasury?

Ootherwise, leave me the fuck alone and take your failed bright ideas and shove them up your ass.     

I'll be glad to leave you alone

just stop posting here

[Fury]

are you fucking joking

I can't respond to every post all the time but since it seems important to you I'll respond to it as soon as you show me proof of your statement that "almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare righ now" or admit you're a liar (or the new Republican way of saying you're a liar) that "it was not intended to be a factual statement"

I'm lying? I quoted a Businessweek article. I was even nice enough to bold it in my above response to you. Thanks for ignoring it, though. Not surprising coming from the guy who can't admit that he was caught out on his "the post office is doing well" claim and his equally retarded "Washington was as liberal as I am" claim.  

Just for good measure, I'm going to again post the part that you tried to weasel out of bolding:

"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"

You're playing word games. And if it bothers you enough, feel free to take it up with Businessweek, as they're the ones that wrote the article. Or do you not understand that it's possible to disapprove of something while not being opposed to it?

You're a fucking weasel, though. I have to hand it to you, you're hammering this in an effort to ignore the question I asked. Good work. You definitely fit the Bay-Area liberal bill to the "t".






Feel free to refute Gigantor anytime you want. The fact you keep ignoring his post says a lot about you, though.  

[Straw Man]

I'm lying? I quoted a Businessweek article. I was even nice enough to bold it in my above response to you. Thanks for ignoring it, though. Not surprising coming from the guy who can't admit that he was caught out on his "the post office is doing well" claim and his equally retarded "Washington was as liberal as I am" claim.  

Just for good measure, I'm going to again post the part that you tried to weasel out of bolding:

"The Associated Press-GfK poll showed that support for Obama's health insurance expansion has slipped to 35 percent"

You're playing word games. And if it bothers you enough, feel free to take it up with Businessweek, as they're the ones that wrote the article. Or do you not understand that it's possible to disapprove of something while not being opposed to it?

You're a fucking weasel, though. I have to hand it to you, you're hammering this in an effort to ignore the question I asked. Good work. You definitely fit the Bay-Area liberal bill to the "t".

Feel free to refute Gigantor anytime you want. The fact you keep ignoring his post says a lot about you, though.  

is this a joke?

can you read

Here is what you said:

I made a thread showing an AP poll yesterday. Feel free to search it out.

So I'll ask again. Almost 70% of Americans disapprove of Obamacare right now. Are you OK with getting rid of it? After all, it was you who just said, "you'd think both parties would be able to get behind ideas that are popular with 70-80% or at least not be opposed to them."

Or are you just a hypocrite?

That statement appears no where in the story you posted

What does appear in the story is that 45% are opposed

How do you see 45% and turn it into 70%

Here's the actual page from the poll which you were too lazy to find and when I gave it to you were too lazy to read