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House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« on: April 15, 2011, 12:49:35 PM »

House passes $6 trillion spending cut plan
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John Boehner AP – House Speaker John Boehner of Ohio pauses during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, Friday, …

   
By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Andrew Taylor, Associated Press – 31 mins ago

WASHINGTON – The House on Friday passed a Republican budget blueprint proposing to fundamentally overhaul Medicare and combat out-of-control budget deficits with sharp spending cuts on social safety net programs like food stamps and Medicaid.

The nonbinding plan lays out a fiscal vision cutting $6.2 trillion over the coming decade from the budget submitted by President Barack Obama. It passed 235-193 with every Democrat voting "no."

The vote sets up the Republicans' next round of confrontation with Obama and Democrats over the country's long-term deficit levels — a standoff likely to come to a head this summer and set the stage for 2012 elections. In an interview with The Associated Press earlier Friday, the president said the Republican's budget represents "a pessimistic vision."

"It's one that says that America can no longer do some of the big things that made us great, that made us the envy of the world," he said.

Acknowledging that spending cuts would have to be made, Obama said he's pushing for "a smart compromise that's serious."

Under the House Republican plan, deficits requiring the federal government to borrow more than 40 cents for every dollar it spends would be cut by the end of the decade to 8 cents of borrowing for every dollar spent.

The plan by Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan, R-Wis., a rising figure in the party, exposes Republicans to political risk. It proposes transforming Medicare from a program in which the government directly pays medical bills into a voucher-like system that subsidizes purchases of private insurance plans. People 55 and over would remain in the current system, but younger workers would receive subsidies that would steadily lose value over time.

The budget measure is nonbinding but lays out a vision to fundamentally reshape government benefit programs for the poor and elderly whose spiraling costs threaten to crowd out other spending and produce a crippling debt burden that could put a big drag on the economy in the future.

"Which future do you want your children to have? One, where the debt gets so large it crushes the economy and gives them a diminished future?" Ryan asked. "Or this budget ... that literally not only gets us on the way to balancing the budget but pays off our debt?"

The GOP's solution to unsustainable deficits is to relentlessly attack the spending side of the ledger while leaving Bush-era revenue levels intact. It calls for tax reform that would lower the top income tax rates for corporations and individuals by cleaning out a tax code cluttered with tax breaks and preferences, but parts company with Obama and the findings of a bipartisan deficit commission, who propose devoting about $100 billion a year in new revenues to easing the deficit.

Democrats and many budget experts say this spending-cuts-only approach is fundamentally unfair, targeting social safety net programs like Medicaid and food stamps while leaving in place a tax system they say bestows too many benefits on the wealthy.

"The Republican plan is not bold. It's just the same old tired formula we've seen before of providing big tax breaks to the very wealthy and powerful special interests at the expense of the rest of America," said top Budget panel Democrat Chris Van Hollen of Maryland. "Except this time it's dressed up with a lot of sweet-smelling talk of reform."

But Obama and Speaker John Boehner, R-Ohio, his chief GOP adversary, do agree on something: that an upcoming vote to increase the government's ability to borrow to pay its bills will have to contain spending cuts.

"Let me be clear: There will be no debt limit increase unless it is accompanied by meaningful spending cuts and budget reforms," Boehner said.

"I think (Boehner's) absolutely right that it's not going to happen without some spending cuts," Obama told the AP.

In their budget, Republicans shied away from tackling Social Security shortfalls, steering clear of what pundits sometimes call the "third rail of American politics."

Virtually every budget expert in Washington agrees that projected Medicare cost increases are unsustainable, but the GOP initiative — attacked by Democrats as ending Medicare's guarantee as we know it — has launched a major-league Washington imbroglio.

"We hear a lot about Medicare as we know it," said Rep. Tim Griffin, R-Ark. "Well, unfortunately Medicare as we know it is going bankrupt. If you are for the status quo with regard to Medicare, you are on the side of the elimination of Medicare as we know it."

Democrats countered with official estimates showing the GOP plan would provide vouchers whose value would steadily erode.

"The Republican proposal breaks the promise that our country has made to our seniors — that after a lifetime of work they will be able to depend on Medicare to protect them in retirement," said Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi of California. "The Republicans' plan forces seniors to buy their insurance from health insurance companies where the average senior will be forced to pay twice as much for half the benefit."

Also Friday, the House easily defeated two liberal budget alternatives. A plan offered by the conservative Republican Policy Committee failed as well, while a Democratic alternative that called for higher taxes on the wealthy and special interests fell on a 259-166 vote.

The GOP plan isn't actual legislation. Instead, under the arcane congressional budget process, the measure sketches out a nonbinding blueprint each year for running the government. The resolution doesn't require the president's signature, but it does set the framework for changes to spending or tax policy in follow-up legislation.

The most immediate impact of the GOP plan would be to cut the $1 trillion-plus budget for appropriated programs next year by $30 billion, following on $38 billion in cuts just adopted. That would return domestic agency accounts below levels when George W. Bush left office.

The Democratic-controlled Senate has yet to produce its alternative plan. Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, D-N.D., and other members of Obama's independent fiscal commission are pursuing a bipartisan "grand bargain" blending big spending curbs with new revenues flowing from a simplified tax code.

The budget deficit is projected at an enormous $1.6 trillion this year, but more ominously, current projections show an even worse mismatch as the baby boom generation retires and Medicare costs consume an ever-growing share of the budget.
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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #1 on: April 15, 2011, 01:18:16 PM »
The government needs to reign in the debt problem and cut spending.
At least this is a start.
People need to buckle down,. cut the shit out of spending and get used to a lower level of living until this shit gets sorted out.
Of course that wont happen. Nice word by the Democrats, this is a pessimistic vision of the future that insinuates America isnt capable of doing the things that made it great anymore. Epic propaganda.
What do they want to do? Continue spending until the economy explodes?

We need to drastically cut spending, our debt is out of control, and other countries are moving away from the dollar. Are they blind? Or are they specifically trying to implode the dollar to pave the way for the NA Union?

It sucks that we had to cut spending from those areas, but sacrifices have to be made.

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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #2 on: April 15, 2011, 01:19:43 PM »
The government needs to reign in the debt problem and cut spending.
At least this is a start.
People need to buckle down,. cut the shit out of spending and get used to a lower level of living until this shit gets sorted out.
Of course that wont happen. Nice word by the Democrats, this is a pessimistic vision of the future that insinuates America isnt capable of doing the things that made it great anymore. Epic propaganda.
What do they want to do? Continue spending until the economy explodes?

We need to drastically cut spending, our debt is out of control, and other countries are moving away from the dollar. Are they blind? Or are they specifically trying to implode the dollar to pave the way for the NA Union?

It sucks that we had to cut spending from those areas, but sacrifices have to be made.

Why do they do it? Hard to buy votes with "entitlements" when they get cut
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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #3 on: April 15, 2011, 01:23:23 PM »
The government needs to reign in the debt problem and cut spending.
At least this is a start.
People need to buckle down,. cut the shit out of spending and get used to a lower level of living until this shit gets sorted out.
Of course that wont happen. Nice word by the Democrats, this is a pessimistic vision of the future that insinuates America isnt capable of doing the things that made it great anymore. Epic propaganda.
What do they want to do? Continue spending until the economy explodes?

We need to drastically cut spending, our debt is out of control, and other countries are moving away from the dollar. Are they blind? Or are they specifically trying to implode the dollar to pave the way for the NA Union?

It sucks that we had to cut spending from those areas, but sacrifices have to be made.
WE need to raise taxes on coperations above the effective single digit tax rates they now pay.
I also think we need to stop nation building around the world in countries that hate the USA.
Cut most of the foreign aid and take care of America first.
Use tax money to take care of Americans , build roads,good schools and provide health care along with a millitary for defense not national building!

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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #4 on: April 15, 2011, 01:24:54 PM »

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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2011, 01:42:04 PM »
that plan is DOA

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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2011, 01:45:35 PM »
that plan is DOA

Should we wait for the Dems to present something, why don't you start holding your breath now, when they present something you can breath normally
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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2011, 01:50:15 PM »
WE need to raise taxes on coperations above the effective single digit tax rates they now pay.
I also think we need to stop nation building around the world in countries that hate the USA.
Cut most of the foreign aid and take care of America first.
Use tax money to take care of Americans , build roads,good schools and provide health care along with a millitary for defense not national building!
Agree with part of this.
The giant near monopoly corps...
yes.
Tax small business? No.
Cut foreign aid?
Fuck yeah. Why we worry about other countries when our own is in shambles is beyond me.
We need to fix this debt problem. And sometimes it seems like the democrats answer is to tax the rich while continuing to spend. I feel like theyre out of their fucking minds sometimes.
I know the far right is just as bad. Why the fuck cant politicians just set aside worrying about reelection and make the hard choices and get things done?
And why cant the public figure out that there are going to be hard times to go through before things get better?
Arrrrg.

Plus Im not an expert, but I think we need to encourage small business growth and decrease government size&spending. Seems like nothing good comes from letting the government make decisions on what should happen in the economy.

Oh, and get rid of the Federal Reserve. Central Banks+Fed=crooks.

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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #8 on: April 15, 2011, 01:50:23 PM »
Should we wait for the Dems to present something, why don't you start holding your breath now, when they present something you can breath normally

i would like to see a plan that brings down the debt without making the rich more rich,

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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #9 on: April 15, 2011, 01:54:07 PM »
i would like to see a plan that brings down the debt without making the rich more rich,

So what we are back to the evil rich again ::)
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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #10 on: April 15, 2011, 01:55:47 PM »
Hery blacken - read this. 


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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #11 on: April 15, 2011, 01:58:15 PM »
no , it would be nice to have a plan that benefits the working class for a change,but that will never happen because most in gov. are rich

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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #12 on: April 15, 2011, 02:01:25 PM »
no , it would be nice to have a plan that benefits the working class for a change,but that will never happen because most in gov. are rich

You are starting to understand grasshopper, the people that actually work for a living rich or not are not the problem. It is the politicians that act in their own self interest, be it tax code....... or whatever, country be damned
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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2011, 02:05:42 PM »
You are starting to understand grasshopper

i've always understood that, i just don't understand why people think the repub party is any better than the dem party,to me their both the same crooks

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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2011, 02:08:24 PM »
i've always understood that, i just don't understand why people think the repub party is any better than the dem party,to me their both the same crooks

Because we don't get leaders anymore, we get politicians, its no coincidence that the country is in the shape it is in.
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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2011, 02:08:49 PM »
Whats funny..
Is I am in the lower/middle class, currently attending college living with my wife, and I get sick of seeing this "evil rich" bs...
Always the middle/lower class people bitching about the people with money and how they need to get something to favor them, and then it will all be better, its all the rich peoples fault...

Even I can see that its the BANKERS and extremely huge corporations, insurance, etc that you should be pissed about, not about the small business owners, etc...
You WANT the small business' to thrive, they are whats going to provide jobs, etc.
And the thing is, the EVIL EXTREMELY RICH have their hands in BOTH sides pockets, so that is a mute point.
From what Ive seen, when working class bitch about the rich, theyre usually bitching about the small business owners, theyre bosses, people theyre jealous of.

Politicians will NEVER favor the working class aside from their campaign speeches to get them elected, once theyre in, its the top 1% that fills their pockets and buys them out.
Dont blame the rich, blame the ELITE, Bankers, Insurance, etc.
Blaming the rich is NEVER going to help out the working class, its never going to help you get ahead, its never going to help you get where you want to be, because the whole theory is flawed. You cannot try to redistribute wealth, or overly tax the wealthy, as theyll just go around the system, and then you and I will have to pick up the slack.

Just the way it is.

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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2011, 02:09:08 PM »
no , it would be nice to have a plan that benefits the working class for a change,but that will never happen because most in gov. are rich

I would love to see a plan that has the 50% of the nation that doesn't pay anything in income taxes actually pay something.

Lower the Corporate Tax rate but close the majority of loopholes, credits, deductions, abatements etc. Same with the personal tax code, for the "rich" close those loopholes and itemized deductions and other credits etc. Lower the rates but expand the base.

I love the "Class Warfare" propaganda that Obama has some on this board hypnotized with...you can always tell when things like "Millionaires and billionaires" or "they should pay their fair share!!!". Guess what Clowns, I'll say it one  more time, if you raise taxes on the "rich" and those evil "billionaires" guess how much you collect in revenue? How does 70 billion per year or so sound? Not so hot, huh? Are you gonna bitch and moan when that increased revenue gets eaten alive by the cost of debt or interest payments? Interest payments that are now at 200 billion per fiscal year and rising. the 1.7 TRILLION dollar deficit is the problem, not revenue or using the "billionaires" as red herrings to distract everyone from the fact that dramatic and politically unpopular cuts are needed to prevent a collapse.

Obama had a chance to, for the first time in his presidency, actually be a leader and take a commanding role or a bold role in these very, very, VERY serious problems. Instead he chose to, once again, abdicate a leadership position and instead devolve into a extreme partisan hack spewing half-truth, deception, fear and lies.

That's not going to be good enough.

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Re: House Passes $6 Trillion Spending Cut Plan
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2011, 04:09:56 PM »
The dems have been duping the lower class and minorities for seventy years now.  They don't give a shit about poor people, they just like to keep them dumb enough to get their votes to keep them in office.
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