Jay Cutler "I eat upwards of 6500-7500 calories on the average day"

[Meso_z]

King kamai: quote he made her on getbig.  Around 500 grams of protein daily. Approx. 8 - 10 oz. of meat per meal. Whey isolate after training and a blend before sleep.

Kamali was all plazmosis and manmeat.

[Cliff Clavin]

I have consumed 5,000 calories in one sitting at the bar many times...

[gh15]

the problemo is that you think that we eat the calories all clean ,, thats the problem you got friends,,those 5000 calorie a fella jason size take is NOT CLEAN CALORIES,,we dont use clean calories,,we eat almost anything within the border of what our body is adpating best to,,in jason case it is sushi and burgers ,,in my case it is jamaican and sushi,, when we talk 5k calories we talk about calories in egenral ,,,when you are on trenbolona and gh it DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU EAT as long as you keep the over all ratio of low fat...high carb and cycle them ...and high protien


we do not eat clean unless 6% and want to go down to 4% get it in your head already ,,

YES THAT MEANS IF WE ARE 6.43 % WE STILL EAT SUSHI GERMAN JAMAICAN AND ICECREAM

gh15 approved

[Stavios]

i believe his caloric intake claims for sure.

i'm dieting on 3800cals, using at least half the gh he would a day, maybe a third even, plus at least half to 1/3rd the compounds, plus throw in there hes holding a shit ton more muscle than i am. its easy for me to believe he's around 6k a day in calories.

[spude]

yep, sounds about right...someone with his lean body mass, gh and tren and all the other -onas has an absolutely sick metabolism...you know why you feel hot on tren? 'cos your body uses more calories to heat itself! the amount of fat probably is a bit higher but not a lot, imo androgenic hormones in general make you more carb sensitive and improve your body's ability to use big amounts of carbs as a primary source of energy...little amount of fats is only needed for general health, and because low fat ice-cream tastes like shit
and to put things into perspective i'm nowhere near jay's size...yet ...and i'm currently consuming 3500-4000 kcals a day and burning fat like a mofo, bf% somewhere around 7-8 i guess

[Tito24]

cant be good so much burgers

[Stavios]

yep, sounds about right...someone with his lean body mass, gh and tren and all the other -onas has an absolutely sick metabolism...you know why you feel hot on tren? 'cos your body uses more calories to heat itself! the amount of fat probably is a bit higher but not a lot, imo androgenic hormones in general make you more carb sensitive and improve your body's ability to use big amounts of carbs as a primary source of energy...little amount of fats is only needed for general health, and because low fat ice-cream tastes like shit
and to put things into perspective i'm nowhere near jay's size...yet ...and i'm currently consuming 3500-4000 kcals a day and burning fat like a mofo, bf% somewhere around 7-8 i guess

wtf I diet on like 2500 calories and I train twice a day

but I am a tiny tit too

[spude]

wtf I diet on like 2500 calories and I train twice a day

but I am a tiny tit too

maybe...but you look bigger than you are and that's all that matters, i might be a bit bigger than you but you're in that phase gh15 talks about when trying to get from 6% to 4 when diet starts to mean something...i will also need to adjust my eating a bit if want to get leaner...still eating ice-cream pre workout

[240 is Back]

i do 3500 cal a day easily, and i'm a 175 pound twink.  i just have a high metabolism.  McD Big breakfast every morning, 5 little meals with bread, meat, lettuce.

jay is nearly double my size.  muslce takes a ton of calories to maintain.  I assume he may have tried AAS at some point.  Yes, 7000 a day sounds reasonable. 

[Boost]

i do 3500 cal a day easily, and i'm a 175 pound twink.  i just have a high metabolism.  McD Big breakfast every morning, 5 little meals with bread, meat, lettuce.

jay is nearly double my size.  muslce takes a ton of calories to maintain.  I assume he may have tried AAS at some point.  Yes, 7000 a day sounds reasonable. 

I think you may have diabetes, 240.

I'm not sure you've ever looked lean in any of your pictures. Guys with lightning metabolisms stay fairly lean.

I think you're just overeating.

No hate 

[tbombz]

who cares what jay is eating

pictures in thongs or gtfo

[asbrus]

It's not whether or not he can eat that amount, it's whether or not his kidneys can survive on that amount in the long run.

As a matter of fact, I will retract my above statement and make it slightly more elaborate.

The human body isn't made to sustain a 5'8 300 pound man that eats like a morbidly obese human being.  The Kidneys are pretty delicate in that large amounts of protein consumed can cause serious damage.  I call bullshit on his claims, because most human beings would suffer from acute renal failure due to kidney stones following such a diet.  At the very least, he is certainly in line for a kidney stone or two.

Have you every tried consuming 500 grams of protein daily for a year?  Give that a try and let us know how that works out for you.

Also, I could be mistaken, but the common recognized value for caloric intake that translate into weight gain is 1 pound = 3,500 calories.  Assuming Jay burns half of the calories he takes in daily (Highly doubt), can he be gaining a pound every day?

This is speculation on my part, but I still call bullshit.

"1"

Y0U  HAVE N0 IDEA WHAT Y0U ARE TALKING AB0UT. THERE IS N0 PR00F IN THE MEDICAL LITERATURE THAT HIGH PR0TEIN CAUSES KIDNEY DAMAGE IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS. 0N THE C0NTRARY, IT ACTUALLY STRENGTHEN THE KIDNEYS AND THE KINDEYS ARE DAMAGED WITH L0W PR0TEIN INTAKE. Y0U PULLED THAT 0NE RIGHT 0UT 0F Y0UR ASS. ALS0, WHY ARE Y0U C0MPARING HIM T0 JAY? JAY IS 0N EVERY DRUG P0SSIBLE AND HIS B0DY GLADLY ABS0RBS ALL THAT PR0TEIN.

[g101]

the problemo is that you think that we eat the calories all clean ,, thats the problem you got friends,,those 5000 calorie a fella jason size take is NOT CLEAN CALORIES,,we dont use clean calories,,we eat almost anything within the border of what our body is adpating best to,,in jason case it is sushi and burgers ,,in my case it is jamaican and sushi,, when we talk 5k calories we talk about calories in egenral ,,,when you are on trenbolona and gh it DOES NOT MATTER WHAT YOU EAT as long as you keep the over all ratio of low fat...high carb and cycle them ...and high protien


we do not eat clean unless 6% and want to go down to 4% get it in your head already ,,

YES THAT MEANS IF WE ARE 6.43 % WE STILL EAT SUSHI GERMAN JAMAICAN AND ICECREAM

gh15 approved

do protein powders really work or am i wasting my $$ and should just stick with eggwhites

[The Abdominal Snoman]

He's a glutton who steps on the scale everyday because he has to

[OneMoreRep]

Y0U  HAVE N0 IDEA WHAT Y0U ARE TALKING AB0UT. THERE IS N0 PR00F IN THE MEDICAL LITERATURE THAT HIGH PR0TEIN CAUSES KIDNEY DAMAGE IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS. 0N THE C0NTRARY, IT ACTUALLY STRENGTHEN THE KIDNEYS AND THE KINDEYS ARE DAMAGED WITH L0W PR0TEIN INTAKE. Y0U PULLED THAT 0NE RIGHT 0UT 0F Y0UR ASS. ALS0, WHY ARE Y0U C0MPARING HIM T0 JAY? JAY IS 0N EVERY DRUG P0SSIBLE AND HIS B0DY GLADLY ABS0RBS ALL THAT PR0TEIN.

Before you attempt to type out a mediocre response filled with caps and zeros in place of the letter "O" check your facts moron..

You are DEAD wrong.

Here are a couple of articles from refutable sources:

Straight from Harvard:

"Too much protein may cause reduced kidney function"
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/03.13/09-kidney.html

Cleveland Clinic:

http://www.atkinsexposed.org/atkins/114/cleveland_clinic.htm

From the Mayo Clinic:

"A high-protein diet may cause or worsen liver or kidney problems "
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-protein-diets/AN00847

http://www.bmj.com/content/325/7361/408.5.extract

Effect of high protein diet on stone-forming propensity and bone loss in rats.Amanzadeh J, Gitomer WL, Zerwekh JE, Preisig PA, Moe OW, Pak CY, Levi M.

Center for Mineral Metabolism and Clinical Research and Department of Internal Medicine, University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, Texas 75390-8885, USA.

Comment in:

Kidney Int. 2004 May;65(5):1970; author reply 1970.

Abstract
BACKGROUND: High protein diets are believed to cause kidney stone formation and bone loss, but the mechanisms mediating these changes are unknown. The purpose of this study was to create an animal model of animal protein excess and to evaluate the response of kidney and bone to the dietary protein load.

METHODS: Rats (12 per group) were pair-fed with a high (48%) and low (12%) casein diets that were otherwise identical in their content of sodium, potassium, calcium, phosphorus, and magnesium.

RESULTS: Compared with the low casein group, the high casein group delivered a substantial acid load during 59 days of study, since it significantly decreased urinary pH, and increased urinary ammonium, titratable acidity, and net acid excretion. Animals on high casein diet also had higher urinary volumes. On the high casein diet, urinary calcium excretion was significantly higher and urinary citrate excretion and concentration was significantly lower. On the high casein diet, urinary saturation of calcium phosphate was higher. Serum calcitriol concentration did not significantly differ between the two groups. Histomorphometric analysis of femur procured after 59 days on the diet showed marked increase in bone resorption in the high casein group. Hypocitraturia was associated with increased activity of sodium-citrate cotransporter in renal cortical brush-border membranes (BBM) in the high casein group.

CONCLUSION: Both the kidney and bone contribute to the pathogenesis of hypercalciuria during high casein diet in rats. Hypocitraturia is probably renal in origin. This rat model will be useful in elucidating the mechanisms by which high protein intake increases the risk of nephrolithiasis and bone loss in human beings.

This piece: "Kidney failure. Consuming too much protein puts a strain on the kidneys, which can make a person susceptible to kidney disease."

~ obtained from: http://www.atkinsexposed.org/atkins/114/cleveland_clinic.htm

Another refutable source: Brenner, B. Dietary protein intake and the progressive nature of kidney disease. N. Engl. J. Med. 307:652, 1982

Now shut the fuck up and go crawl under that rock you came out of,  I love how these little pussies always like to talk without any backing of their claims.

"1"

[Doug_Steele]

It helps out alot. 

[asbrus]

Before you attempt to type out a mediocre response filled with caps and zeros in place of the letter "O" check your facts moron..

You are DEAD wrong.

Here are a couple of articles from refutable sources:

Straight from Harvard:

"Too much protein may cause reduced kidney function"
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/2003/03.13/09-kidney.html

Cleveland Clinic:

http://www.atkinsexposed.org/atkins/114/cleveland_clinic.htm

From the Mayo Clinic:

"A high-protein diet may cause or worsen liver or kidney problems "
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/high-protein-diets/AN00847

http://www.bmj.com/content/325/7361/408.5.extract

Effect of high protein diet on stone-forming propensity and bone loss in rats.Amanzadeh J, Gitomer WL, Zerwekh JE, Preisig PA, Moe OW, Pak CY, Levi M.

Center for Mineral Metabolism and Clinical Research and Department of Internal Medicine, University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, Texas 75390-8885, USA.

Comment in:

Kidney Int. 2004 May;65(5):1970; author reply 1970.

Abstract
BACKGROUND: High protein diets are believed to cause kidney stone formation and bone loss, but the mechanisms mediating these changes are unknown. The purpose of this study was to create an animal model of animal protein excess and to evaluate the response of kidney and bone to the dietary protein load.

METHODS: Rats (12 per group) were pair-fed with a high (48%) and low (12%) casein diets that were otherwise identical in their content of sodium, potassium, calcium, phosphorus, and magnesium.

RESULTS: Compared with the low casein group, the high casein group delivered a substantial acid load during 59 days of study, since it significantly decreased urinary pH, and increased urinary ammonium, titratable acidity, and net acid excretion. Animals on high casein diet also had higher urinary volumes. On the high casein diet, urinary calcium excretion was significantly higher and urinary citrate excretion and concentration was significantly lower. On the high casein diet, urinary saturation of calcium phosphate was higher. Serum calcitriol concentration did not significantly differ between the two groups. Histomorphometric analysis of femur procured after 59 days on the diet showed marked increase in bone resorption in the high casein group. Hypocitraturia was associated with increased activity of sodium-citrate cotransporter in renal cortical brush-border membranes (BBM) in the high casein group.

CONCLUSION: Both the kidney and bone contribute to the pathogenesis of hypercalciuria during high casein diet in rats. Hypocitraturia is probably renal in origin. This rat model will be useful in elucidating the mechanisms by which high protein intake increases the risk of nephrolithiasis and bone loss in human beings.

This piece: "Kidney failure. Consuming too much protein puts a strain on the kidneys, which can make a person susceptible to kidney disease."

~ obtained from: http://www.atkinsexposed.org/atkins/114/cleveland_clinic.htm

Another refutable source: Brenner, B. Dietary protein intake and the progressive nature of kidney disease. N. Engl. J. Med. 307:652, 1982

Now shut the fuck up and go crawl under that rock you came out of,  I love how these little pussies always like to talk without any backing of their claims.

"1"

Y0U ARE A FUCKING M0R0N AND D0 N0T UNDERSTAND WHAT MEDICAL LITERATURE IS.

Y0U FIRST STUDY LET'S SEE. Researchers at Brigham and Women’s Hospital (BWH) have found that high-protein diets may be associated with kidney function decline in women who already have mildly reduced kidney function. IN MIDLY REDUCED KIDNEY FUNCTI0N. D0 Y0U UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS? THIS MEANS THEIR KIDNEYS ARE ALREADY DAMAGED. I'M TALKING AB0UT HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS. Y0U SEC0ND ARTICLE. DR GRAYS0N CLEVELAND CLINIC GIVING HIS FALSE 0PINI0N WITH N0 STUDY D0NE? ARE Y0U SERI0US. GTF0 0UT HERE WITH THAT 0NE. Y0UR LAST 0NE. DR GRAYS0N SH0ULD N0T EVEN BE A D0CT0R BECAUSE HE HAS N0 IDEA WHAT KET0SIS IS.
L0L AT KET0SIS BEING DANGER0US IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS. KET0SIS IS N0T DANGER0US AT ALL AND THE BRAINS L0VES KET0NES 0NCE ADAPTED T0 THEM. LET'S SEE WHAT R0BERT VEECH AN ACTUAL MEDICAL D0CT0R HAD T0 SAY AB0UT THIS. VEECH IS THE W0RLD'S LEADING RESEARCHER 0N KET0NES.
I quote the article: " 'Doctors are scared of ketosis,' says Richard Veech, an N.I.H. [National Institutes of
Health]researcher who studied medicine at Harvard and then got his doctorate at Oxford University with
the Nobel Laureate Hans Krebs. ''They're always worried about diabetic ketoacidosis. But ketosis is a normal
physiologic state."
"Simply put, ketosis is evolution's answer to the thrifty gene. We may have evolved to efficiently store fat for
times of famine, says Veech, but we also evolved ketosis to efficiently live off that fat when necessary. Rather
than being poison, which is how the press often refers to ketones, they make the body run more efficiently
and provide a backup fuel source for the brain. Veech calls ketones ''magic'' and has shown that both the
heart and brain run 25 percent more efficiently on ketones than on blood sugar."

http://www.medicalvitadiet.com.au/docs/vita_ketosis.pdf
High protein diet brings risk of kidney stones
Scott Gottlieb
+ Author Affiliations

New York
Diets heavy on foods that are high in protein and low in carbohydrates can increase the risk of kidney stones and reduce the body's ability to absorb calcium after just six weeks.

INCREASE THE RISK FR0M KIDNEY ST0NES AFTER 6 WEEKS? L0L. IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN EVERY0NE HERE AND EVERY B0DYBUILDER SH0ULD HAVE 0NE KIDNEY REMAINING. IN DAMAGED KIDNEYS, YES IT CAN. IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS? N0 IT CAN'T.
These findings from a new study come at a time when an increasing number of Americans, seduced by anecdotal accounts of fast weight loss, are turning to low carbohydrate, high protein diets. Popularised by Dr Robert Atkins, these diets are having a revival after a recent cover story in the New … CAN'T EVEN SEE THE FULL TEXT. I'M BETTING THEY ARE D0NE 0N PE0PLE WITH REDUCED KIDNEY FUNCTI0N AGAIN. I'M STILL WAITING F0R Y0U T0 SH0W ME A STUDY D0NE 0N HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS AND N0T PE0PLE WITH REDUCED KIDNEY FUNCTI0NS. Y0U DUMB FUCK. TYPICAL 0F UNEDUCATED PE0PLE P0STING AN 0PINI0N 0F A D0CT0R WITH N0 STUDY T0 BACK IT UP FR0M THE CLEVELAND CLINIC. IN FACT EVERY STUDY THAT WAS D0NE 0N A HIGH PR0TEIN HIGH FAT L0W CARB DIET IMPR0VED BL00D LIPIDS AND DECREASED B0DY FAT. HIGH GLUC0SE LEVELS 0N THE 0THER HAND FR0M EXCESSIVE INTAKE 0F SUGAR AND CARBS HAVE BEEN SH0WN T0 DAMAGE THE KIDNEYS.


REGARDING THE RATS. THAT IS JUST T00 FUNNY. AN INCREASE IN ACID LEVELS. W0RKING 0UT CAUSE THE M0ST AM0UNT 0F ACID IN Y0UR B0DY. THAT STUDY DID N0T PR0VE ANYTHING AB0UT CERTAIN PR0TEIN LEVELS DAMAGING HUMAN KIDNEYS IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS. TRY AGAIN. VERY P00R STUDY 0N THE RATS. HERE LET ME SH0W Y0U 0NE.
http://ajpregu.physiology.org/content/287/4/R934.short

A long-term high-protein diet markedly reduces adipose tissue without major side effects in Wistar male rats
Magali Lacroix,1 Claire Gaudichon,1 Antoine Martin,2 Céline Morens,1 Véronique Mathé,1 Daniel Tomé,1 and Jean-François Huneau1
1Institut National de la Recherche Agronomique, Unité de Physiologie de la Nutrition et du Comportement alimentaire, Institut National Agronomique Paris-Grignon, 75231 Paris cedex 05; and 2Service d'Anatomie Pathologique, Hôpital Avicenne, 93000 Bobigny, France

Submitted 13 February 2004 ; accepted in final form 14 May 2004

Although there is a considerable interest of high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets to manage weight control, their safety is still the subject of considerable debate. They are suspected to be detrimental to the renal and hepatic functions, calcium balance, and insulin sensitivity. However, the long-term effects of a high-protein diet on a broad range of parameters have not been investigated. We studied the effects of a high-protein diet in rats over a period of 6 mo. Forty-eight Wistar male rats received either a normal-protein (NP: 14% protein) or high-protein (HP: 50% protein) diet. Detailed body composition, plasma hormones and nutrients, liver and kidney histopathology, hepatic markers of oxidative stress and detoxification, and the calcium balance were investigated. No major alterations of the liver and kidneys were found in HP rats, whereas NP rats exhibited massive hepatic steatosis. The calcium balance was unchanged, and detoxification markers (GSH and GST) were enhanced moderately in the HP group. In contrast, HP rats showed a sharp reduction in white adipose tissue and lower basal concentrations of triglycerides, glucose, leptin, and insulin. Our study suggests that the long-term consumption of an HP diet in male rats has no deleterious effects and could prevent metabolic syndrome.

hormones; glucose; body composition; histology

THEY ATE A DIET 0F 50 PERCENT PR0TEIN WITH N0 SIDE EFFECTS F0R 6 FUCKING M0NTHS. 50 FUCKING PERCENT. D0 Y0U KN0W H0W MUCH PR0TEIN THAT IS? EVERYTHING DECREASED FR0M BL00D LEVELS T0 GLUC0SE LEVELS WITH N0 KIDNEY DAMAGE.THIS IS AN ACTUAL STUDY THAT MEASURED L0NG TERM RESULTS AND DIDN'T TALK AB0UT RISKS WHICH ARE ALL BASELESS. Y0U ARE JUST A PLAIN ZEAL0T THAT'S ALL. D0N'T TRY T0 DEBATE WITH ME 0N THIS T0PIC 0R ANYTHING AB0UT NUTRITI0N. I KN0W M0RE AB0UT THIS THEN M0ST PE0PLE.

[MCWAY]

It's not whether or not he can eat that amount, it's whether or not his kidneys can survive on that amount in the long run.

As a matter of fact, I will retract my above statement and make it slightly more elaborate.

The human body isn't made to sustain a 5'8 300 pound man that eats like a morbidly obese human being.  The Kidneys are pretty delicate in that large amounts of protein consumed can cause serious damage.  I call bullshit on his claims, because most human beings would suffer from acute renal failure due to kidney stones following such a diet.  At the very least, he is certainly in line for a kidney stone or two.

Have you every tried consuming 500 grams of protein daily for a year?  Give that a try and let us know how that works out for you.

Also, I could be mistaken, but the common recognized value for caloric intake that translate into weight gain is 1 pound = 3,500 calories.  Assuming Jay burns half of the calories he takes in daily (Highly doubt), can he be gaining a pound every day?

This is speculation on my part, but I still call bullshit.

"1"

Why would I eat 500 grams of protein a day for a year, when I'm not Cutler's size? I eat closer to 300 grams of protein, which isn't that hard when half of it comes from protein shakes. Cutler can just as easily ingest 500 grams, given that he eats way more regular food than I do and likely takes in more protein per shake (probably around the 80-90 gram mark).

Plenty of bodybuilders his size (or larger) ingest that much protein. Yet, for some reason, they aren't all on dialysis.  We don't see legions of bodybuilders or powerlifters on waiting lists for kidney donations.

[asbrus]

Why would I eat 500 grams of protein a day for a year, when I'm not Cutler's size? I eat closer to 300 grams of protein, which isn't that hard when half of it comes from protein shakes. Cutler can just as easily ingest 500 grams, given that he eats way more regular food than I do and likely takes in more protein per shake (probably around the 80-90 gram mark).

Plenty of bodybuilders his size (or larger) ingest that much protein. Yet, for some reason, they aren't all on dialysis.  We don't see legions of bodybuilders or powerlifters on waiting lists for kidney donations.

S0ME 0F TH0SE STUDIES WERE ALS0 D0NE 0N 0BESE INDIVIDUALS WH0 EAT A T0N 0F PR0CESSED F00DS AND TRANS FAT AND ALL THE BLAME WAS PUT 0N HIGH PR0TEIN. 0N T0P 0F THAT, THEY ALREADY HAD KIDNEYS THAT WERE DAMAGED. IT'S AN EASY WAY T0 SKEW A STUDY BUT THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY PR0VING IT DEADLY.

[gh15]

do protein powders really work or am i wasting my $$ and should just stick with eggwhites

waisting  money,,all bodybuildr need is real food and drinkable eggwhites,,poweder make you retain water that you think is size but its not,,water shoud be inside the muscle and not out....if its outside muscle no matter how big you are its not lean size it,,,thats why you see 200lb fellas wipe floor with 260 lb fellas...ask yourself this friend,,why do you see fellas 260lb walking in gym then come competition they go on stage 201lb...and look leik shit! ask yourself why,,they are 260 8% right? so why losing so much ? the answer is WATER,,THE WAY THEY HOLD THE WATER!..the reason frank zane was one of the greatest bodybuildrs is because he just held the weight in the right zone,,,he had water between muscle and skin and ofcourswe in the muscle...but! he didnt have too much of it to create the illusion he was huge...just later to find out he was nothign but big gut....

the hardest thing is to walk around truly 30-32 inch waist and be a bodybuildr,,thats the thing most generation nothingess fail at and the reason they can not match us from 80s and 90s....


gh15 approved

[Evo]

7k cals easily for a pro of Jay's size.

I get down at least 5k every day when Im bulking.

[wes]

He`d have a smaller waist,look more streamlined,have a better V-shape,if he ate far less.

Never cared for his physique.

[gh15]

I think you may have diabetes, 240.

I'm not sure you've ever looked lean in any of your pictures. Guys with lightning metabolisms stay fairly lean.

I think you're just overeating.

No hate 

he has no diabeters what he suffer from is thick skin that can come due to few reasons! ,,1 is from being fat as in skinny fat from eating too much chinese and mcdonalds back in the day,,2 genetic in the family or of his people aka middle east etc,, those fellas can be lean but dont always see how ripped they are ONLY due to water held on the physiqe between skin and muscle,,for that you have what we call diazide and aldactazide that bodybuild use right and left ...all of us use it !,,the ones with thick skin aka mr dan hill HAVE TO USE IT,,

ofcourse fellas of the such can be very lean and ripped by just only using the trenbolona ace for months and some prop...with gh they become very very lean and the trenbolona get them ripped with no need for cardio ,,no one does cardio on trenbolonsa simply because therer is no need for cardio ,,infact i recomend eating more icecream on trenbolona and gh ...

so overall those fellas can be lean and ripped but! for shredded they wil have to find a solution for their water problem ,,it is a problem of about 10 lb 5-15 somewhere around there,,you can do it naturaly by malipulating sodium and carbs ...i ofcourse do not recomend it because those fellas are highly sensetive and will drop lean mass if playing too much with natural shit,,soooooo we are left with the drugs,,and the drugs should be higher doses of trenbolona ace,, reduction of testosterona,, elimination of gh for number of weeks,,and! increaee in the masteron doses while trying out a diuretic when 6%,,again the key is duration of trenbolona and masterona and last thing adding the POTASSIUM SPARING DIURETIC! then the fella wil walk around 5-6% with the sucktion phenomena you fellas like to be infatuated with and when you see it in gym you stand in awe and give the bodybuilder respect even if he has 38 inch gut ....

try do it all 30-34 inch waist it is much much better for bodybuild before jumping on insulina ,,


the failed bodybuilders who hate bodybuilding today are the coach types who were playing around with 225 5;6 yada dee yada daa,,,had abs but ofcourse were water fountain from within and from without,, soooo when they go on stage they had to lose tons of weight....not the right way friends,,try to do it the frank zane way,,the 80s way ,,much better and healthier way to become sucesful bodybuilr,,

gh15 approved

[OneMoreRep]

Nothing you have said disputes what I posted.  I will leave it at that, because any MED student, Doctor or even A&P professor will tell you that prolonged consumption of large amounts of protein will cause inevitable kidney damage, be it by the formation of stones that leads to acute renal failure or otherwise.

Again, you're not worth debating with, because you are clearly not that smart.

"1"

[asbrus]

Nothing you have said disputes what I posted.  I will leave it at that, because any MED student, Doctor or even A&P professor will tell you that prolonged consumption of large amounts of protein will cause inevitable kidney damage, be it by the formation of stones that leads to acute renal failure or otherwise.

Again, you're not worth debating with, because you are clearly not that smart.

"1"

A PERFECT RESP0NSE FR0M S0ME0NE WH0 G0T 0WNED. EVERYTHING I SAID DISPUTES WHAT Y0U SAID. YET Y0U C0ULDN'T NAME 0NE STUDY THAT SH0WS HIGH PR0TEIN DANGER0US IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS AND Y0U CITED QUAKADEMICS T0 PR0VE Y0UR P0INT WH0 THINK KET0SIS IS DANGER0US IN HEALTHY INDIVIDUALS AND YET Y0U STILL CLAIM THAT HIGH PR0TEIN IS DANGER0US WITH N0 PR00F. Y0U PR0VED 0NCE AGAIN Y0U ARE A ZEAL0T. Y0U CAN LEAVE N0W THANKS AND CHANGE Y0UR 1 T0 ZER0. I'M D0NE DEBATING WITH KIDS.