Jason Ellis jury trial delayed again - marries the girl

[Army of One]

and maybe it's just me, but i have never seen a young woman under 18 that is hot to me,

Come on, why do some guys always come out with this bullshit, so youve never seen a hot 17yr old?There isnt a man on earth who hasnt seen a hot 17yr old, unless gay.

[che]

I don't think anyone is disputing that the guy is a low life but  I find somewhat curious is how quickly some are to infantilize this girl. As if she was completely oblivious and utterly helpless to what was going on. She passively and seemingly without awareness went out on the town with this guy, made out with him, continued to see him apparently utterly unable to resist being drawn out of her house and go to photographic and dating excursions.

Have you all forgotten how you were when you were fifteen? I was already at 14 trying to get girls drunk or high in the hope of scoring some poon. Hell, at 15 I was already writing rambling anti-government manifestos and plotting the over throw of the regrettable Carter campaign. And teens are far more sophisticated now than in my day. How do we know that it wasn't the girl doing a bit of manipulating herself? If she could seduce him in hopes of landing a sweet modeling contract? What young, attractive, generation nothingness teen wouldn't want to cash in on her beauty without having to resort to porn. Beats working for a living.

Always portraying the girl as the helpless victim does little to help with the current sad state of affairs. What ever happen to women "empowerment"?
I guess that's all well and good and and men and women are equals -- except when it doesn't suit them. That's must be why at work I have to be the one to take out the trash to the hallways for the janitors to pick up.

Sure a girl wearing a mini skirt, acting provocative and all the stuff doesn't mean a guy has the right to act on his desires. In an ideal world we are all civilized. But what is lost is this concept I was instilled with regarding the notion of asking for trouble. If I leave a wad of cash on my car seat with my windows open it doesn't give anyone the right to take it. But I shouldn't cry to my mama if they do. A girl gallivanting around with some guy is asking for trouble. But my guess is that she was hardly unaware of what she was doing. Maybe some of you were that stupid as a teen but I sure as hell wasn't.

The guy is a low life, the girl's father, assuming she even had one, is an emasculated pussy (the rule rather than the exception nowadays), and she was far from the innocent, unaware, little helpless victim.

I guess she also is helpless in getting married to this scum bag.

And, BTW, some of you clueless morons need to learn what an actual pedophile is. Throwing that term around so loosely diminishes and cheapens what is truly an evil act.

I remember my mom advising my two sisters on how to handle men with less than pure intentions. "Gouge out their eyes. It's easier and more effective than kicking them in the balls." And dear mommy didn't even need the women's empowerment movement to teach her that because that's what her mother taught her and on and on.

Someone's got street-smart , Thank you Pellius .

[w8m8]

reminiscent of Mary Kay Letourneau and her 13 yr old lover ( now husband ) Vili Faulaau

[che]

Come on, why do some guys always come out with this bullshit, so youve never seen a hot 17yr old?There isnt a man on earth who hasnt seen a hot 17yr old, unless gay.

BINGO

[Tom]

armyof one: well, one thing i'm not trolling the malls and high schools for girls who are "hot" under 18 for one thing! and two if i happen to see a bunch of under 18 girls, i have the morality and maturity NOT to want to do that, just listening to them i couldn't stand their innate stupidity much less want it to go any further! and  and lastly, any 18 and under girl i've seen might have a cute pretty face, but the body? sorry but i prefer a actually WOMAN with curves, not a boyish or overweight chubby teen which 95 % of teens seem to fall into those 2 categories!

[Tom]

oh and i forgot to mention in regard to ellis and this girl, he was messing around with her when she was 14/15! that is sick! oh wait some of you are now going to say " what you never seen a hot 14/15 year old girl who is not only hot, but a great body, whose horny and sexually mature and knows what she wants and wants it"! hell, why not go younger " go for a hot 10 year old"!!

[Tre]

And, BTW, some of you clueless morons need to learn what an actual pedophile is.

Why don't you enlighten the readers here?

[che]

Why don't you enlighten the readers here?

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/5-year-old-delray-beach-girl-molested-man-225375.html

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http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/debra_lafave/1_index.html

[OTHstrong]

Not that it matters, but if anyone here defended this guy while they were doing time in any jail on the planet, they would get busted up so bad then put in pc. Even the incarcerated low lifes have more standards then some of you guys.

[che]

Not that it matters, but if anyone here defended this guy while they were doing time in any jail on the planet, they would get busted up so bad then put in pc. Even the incarcerated low lifes have more standards then some of you guys.

 

[McFarland]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celine_Dion#Personal_life

[Tre]

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/crime/5-year-old-delray-beach-girl-molested-man-225375.html

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http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/criminal_mind/sexual_assault/debra_lafave/1_index.html

One pedophile is male, the other is female.

Was there another point you wished to make?

[GroinkTropin]

Not that it matters, but if anyone here defended this guy while they were doing time in any jail on the planet, they would get busted up so bad then put in pc. Even the incarcerated low lifes have more standards then some of you guys.

This is idiotic.

Firstly you have no proof. No basis for assumption.

Secondly it's PEDOPHILES that inmates hate. Say you molested a 7 year old and you are toast. You are drawing a conclusion from that assertion that 7 year olds and 15 year olds are seen in the same light?

You do realize 90% of prison inmates are black or mexican right? How old were the first girls they were banging?

Walk around some slums and notice all of the 14 year old girls with TWO KIDS and then think about what you are saying.

9/10 grown men will fuck a 15 year old if they have half a chance. SOME will not go lower than 16/17 but to be frank, if you do not agree with this, you are lying or not being honest with yourself over your true sexuality.

[pellius]

This is idiotic.

Firstly you have no proof. No basis for assumption.

Secondly it's PEDOPHILES that inmates hate. Say you molested a 7 year old and you are toast. You are drawing a conclusion from that assertion that 7 year olds and 15 year olds are seen in the same light?

You do realize 90% of prison inmates are black or mexican right? How old were the first girls they were banging?

Walk around some slums and notice all of the 14 year old girls with TWO KIDS and then think about what you are saying.

9/10 grown men will fuck a 15 year old if they have half a chance. SOME will not go lower than 16/17 but to be frank, if you do not agree with this, you are lying or not being honest with yourself over your true sexuality.

EXACTLY!!!!

I'm surprised and even disturbed that this even needs to be explained.

[che]

16 years old

[jwb]

I think if you are an adult and you are seeing some girl still in High School than you got a big problem.

Once they finish High School then it is open season imo...

[OTHstrong]

This is idiotic.

Firstly you have no proof. No basis for assumption.

Secondly it's PEDOPHILES that inmates hate. Say you molested a 7 year old and you are toast. You are drawing a conclusion from that assertion that 7 year olds and 15 year olds are seen in the same light?

You do realize 90% of prison inmates are black or mexican right? How old were the first girls they were banging?

Walk around some slums and notice all of the 14 year old girls with TWO KIDS and then think about what you are saying.

9/10 grown men will fuck a 15 year old if they have half a chance. SOME will not go lower than 16/17 but to be frank, if you do not agree with this, you are lying or not being honest with yourself over your true sexuality.

first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children. What I am saying is that a 14 year old has an under developed brain has not matured to its fullest and if someone who has been an adult for longer then the girl has been alive, well we arent talking an even playing field, not only shamefull, but shows low class at the least and in my books they are scum, and yes they would get destroyed in jail

[GroinkTropin]

first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children. What I am saying is that a 14 year old has an under developed brain has not matured to its fullest and if someone who has been an adult for longer then the girl has been alive, well we arent talking an even playing field, not only shamefull, but shows low class at the least and in my books they are scum, and yes they would get destroyed in jail

I think you are mistaken here. A 30 something year old with a 14 year old, ok that is pretty damn bad.

But in all honesty, if the girl got involved willingly, it's just as much her fault as the guy.

Since when does a fucking birthday signal maturity and vice versa?

I have a niece who is 16 and has the brain of a 12 year old. She's never even really dated.

I have met a few girls who were VERY immature into their 20's.

And I have a half-cousin (whatever she is, on my step dads side of the family) who had 3 kids by the time she was 16. Not kidding! She had twins by the time she was 14, then had her daughter at 16.

Point is, by your logic age is a reliable indicator of maturity and it is NOT sir.

A 17 year old girl is not "prey" until the magic night she turns 18.

I am not trying to justify men's lust for younger girls, simply pointing out the flaws in your thinking.

And the biggest gap I ever had was a 16 year old I semi-dated when I was 22. I couldn't stand to be around her, though I was attracted to her, and it went nowhere. Now I am 30 and I swear I meet girls who are 19 20 and they seem like kids to me. So, I can see where you are coming from in that you are not attracted to teenage girls, and I agree with you.

But back to the point, I would not automatically categorize an older guy with a younger girl as a pervert, many other factors would need to come into consideration.

If it means anything to you, in many other developed countries you see teenage girls with much older guys and no one bats an eyelash. Seems you are basing morality on law and I disagree with that.

Do you also find steroids to be "wrong"? And how about smoking pot? Just curious..

[Tre]

first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children.

What's the magic number then?

[che]

I think you are mistaken here. A 30 something year old with a 14 year old, ok that is pretty damn bad.

But in all honesty, if the girl got involved willingly, it's just as much her fault as the guy.

Since when does a fucking birthday signal maturity and vice versa?

I have a niece who is 16 and has the brain of a 12 year old. She's never even really dated.

I have met a few girls who were VERY immature into their 20's.

And I have a half-cousin (whatever she is, on my step dads side of the family) who had 3 kids by the time she was 16. Not kidding! She had twins by the time she was 14, then had her daughter at 16.

Point is, by your logic age is a reliable indicator of maturity and it is NOT sir.

A 17 year old girl is not "prey" until the magic night she turns 18.

I am not trying to justify men's lust for younger girls, simply pointing out the flaws in your thinking.

And the biggest gap I ever had was a 16 year old I semi-dated when I was 22. I couldn't stand to be around her, though I was attracted to her, and it went nowhere. Now I am 30 and I swear I meet girls who are 19 20 and they seem like kids to me. So, I can see where you are coming from in that you are not attracted to teenage girls, and I agree with you.

But back to the point, I would not automatically categorize an older guy with a younger girl as a pervert, many other factors would need to come into consideration.

If it means anything to you, in many other developed countries you see teenage girls with much older guys and no one bats an eyelash. Seems you are basing morality on law and I disagree with that.

Do you also find steroids to be "wrong"? And how about smoking pot? Just curious..

Excellent post.

This is how it should be
-The age of consent in Germany is 14, as long as a person over the age of 21 does not exploit a 14–15 year-old person's lack of capacity for sexual self-determination. In this rare and special case, a conviction on an individual over the age of 21 requires a complaint from the younger individual; being over 21 and engaging in sexual relations with a minor of that age does not constitute an offense in and of itself. Otherwise the age of consent is 14, although provisions protecting minors against coercion apply until the age of 18.

-The age of consent in Bulgaria is 14, as specified by Articles 149 and 151 (1). However Article 151(2) has a provision for those who are over 14 and do "not understand the characteristics or the importance of the act."

-The age of consent in Spain is 13, as specified by the Spanish Penal Code, Article 181(2). However, if deceit is used in gaining the consent of a minor under 16 years an individual can be charged under Article 183(1) upon parental complaint.

[che]

16 years old

Sorry guys the girl is  17 yr/o  not 16, my bad.

[pellius]

first of all, banging a 14 year old does not make you a pedo nor does it put you remotely close to someone that touches children. What I am saying is that a 14 year old has an under developed brain has not matured to its fullest and if someone who has been an adult for longer then the girl has been alive, well we arent talking an even playing field, not only shamefull, but shows low class at the least and in my books they are scum, and yes they would get destroyed in jail

Yes, they are low lifes but you keep talking about what will go on in prison? How do you know? It is well known that a pedo will be shown no mercy but I had a good friend that did time for banging a 13 year old (he was 27). It started when he woke up one night to find her giving him a blow job. Yeah, who should have just got up and run away. We should all be so pure. Had no problems in prison and in fact many inside, just like some that knew him and the girl in real life, including me, felt he got reamed.

[pellius]

What's the magic number then?

Goddamn, you're not that bright are you? I'll spell it out for you.

A Pedophile preys of PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN!!!!!!!

Is that clear enough or do I have to explain what prepubescent is? There is no magic number. Children hit puberty at various ages. My sister-in-law didn't get her first period until she was 16. My niece got hers just before her 13th birthday. You know these things can be looked up?

[OTHstrong]

Goddamn, you're not that bright are you? I'll spell it out for you.

A Pedophile preys of PREPUBESCENT CHILDREN!!!!!!!

Is that clear enough or do I have to explain what prepubescent is? There is no magic number. Children hit puberty at various ages. My sister-in-law didn't get her first period until she was 16. My niece got hers just before her 13th birthday. You know these things can be looked up?

This is correct, I agree, that's why I'm not indicating in any way that the guy is a pedo, despicable tactics that's all. MM` age is not a good indicator for maturity, but how many 14 years olds are as mature as 30 year olds. If you have 100 fathers that found out their daughters were hanging out with a 30 year old man 98 of them would friggen lose it, that's a pretty good indication that somethings wrong. this isn't an argument you guys are clearly in the minority and yes public opinion would hang this guy. Not the type of crime that would warrant a serious penalty 2 years and up, but nevertheless a conviction is justifiable

[GroinkTropin]

This is correct, I agree, that's why I'm not indicating in any way that the guy is a pedo, despicable tactics that's all. MM` age is not a good indicator for maturity, but how many 14 years olds are as mature as 30 year olds. If you have 100 fathers that found out their daughters were hanging out with a 30 year old man 98 of them would friggen lose it, that's a pretty good indication that somethings wrong. this isn't an argument you guys are clearly in the minority and yes public opinion would hang this guy. Not the type of crime that would warrant a serious penalty 2 years and up, but nevertheless a conviction is justifiable

Couple glaring mistakes here- Firstly it is plainly obvious a 14 year old is not going to be as mature as a 30 year old but that is not the debate in the first place. The debate is a 14 year old girl mature enough for sex? Well, the answer is yes and no, some will be and some will not be. AGE in this case is just an aside, it tells a small piece of the story but certainly not the entire story. It alludes that something might be up, and is worth looking into, but it should not be damning evidence on it's own.

If you told 100 fathers a 20 year old was hanging with his 14 year old daughter 99/100 would lose it. Hell a FIFTEEN year old same thing. Fact is fathers are NEVER ok with the idea that another man will be shoving his penis inside his daughters love hole and that is just the way it is. I know some girls are having sex as young as 11, do you think if they are getting banged by a 13 year old the fathers in question will be ok with it? Fuck let's make the girl 17 and the guy 19 you think her father will be honkey dorey with the idea? Faulty logic yet again.