The thing about juice...

[Deicide]

I don't care either way and am not comdemning it at all but you never really know, at least in terms of strength, what came from you and what came from 'da roids'.

Discuss....

[The Italian Lifter]

but if you don't use the juice you'll always be a weak fart like me son

[mass243]

Psychological factor can't be underestimated. 

But you can estimate what came from where pretty well if you're experienced lifter and have background (which of course you should be if juicing)... as experienced lifter you know you don't add 50 pounds on bp by creatine or just increased dedication and maybe that test might have something to do with that sudden burst 

[TacoBell]

Juicing is fun, quit being a puss

[Kim Jong Bob]

I don't care either way and am not comdemning it at all but you never really know, at least in terms of strength, what came from you and what came from 'da roids'.

Discuss....

so?

[CalvinH]

I have orange juice every morning

[wes mantooth]

if you ingest the roids....they are in you, therefore it is all you when they assimilate into the body.


thats my philosophical answer...



my normal answer is...who cares? if you want to test your natural limits...stay natural.

[ksa_triceps]

Muscle is good!

[BB]

I don't care either way and am not comdemning it at all but you never really know, at least in terms of strength, what came from you and what came from 'da roids'.

Discuss....

That and kids getting on too early was always Duchaine's lament.

As far as Powerlifting goes, Natural/heavily tested raw totals are usually about 30% lower accross the 3 lifts vs. raw lifters on the secret sauce.

I don't follow bodybuilding as closely, but it seems like somewhat moderate steriod use adds about 30-40 pounds or so, heavy use plus the other drugs, adds about another 20-30lbs on to that figure.


Interesting question:).

[The Italian Lifter]

Muscle is good!

sweeeet

[Kim Jong Bob]

Juicing is fun, quit being a puss

hell yeah