natural?

[DK II]

Well I know its basically a hardening steroid...which is all I'm really looking for..I'm 255 this morning and I have no desire to be 270 + at my age...just want to be tighter

2g Tren with 15 i..u. HGH should get you ripped and hard in no time. 

[Firemuscle]

 Most getbiggers are delusional about what can be achieved naturally.

[Palpatine Q]

good advise.

low dose test first cycle. maybe some dbol too.

winny is a finishing drug, your bf has to be fairly low to see its benefits and its not all that 'great' by itself.

groink you'll get far better results spending the same money running something simple like test and dbol, tren or deca

So seriously. ..you're saying it will do nothing?
Because I'm nit looking for big mass gains

[DK II]

Most getbiggers are delusional about what can be achieved naturally.

LOL, and you are the best example what can be achieved naturally? 

[no one]

So seriously. ..you're saying it will do nothing?
Because I'm nit looking for big mass gains

im saying you'll get much more tangible results using a different compound/ compounds.

honestly dude, its one of those compounds that really shows its worth once your about 7% or so.

[Palpatine Q]

im saying you'll get much more tangible results using a different compound/ compounds.

honestly dude, its one of those compounds that really shows its worth once your about 7% or so.

What would you recommend?

The goal here is to tighten up and dry out...not too worried about size.   Size I got

[Firemuscle]

LOL, and you are the best example what can be achieved naturally? 

 I never said that, you guy. Lots of naturals go a lot further than me for sure.

 But most getbiggers think they can be a cut 220 pounds naturally and that's what they think is normal for someone who's been training for a while. It doesn't match with what i've seen in real life.

[WillGrant]

Well I know its basically a hardening steroid...which is all I'm really looking for..I'm 255 this morning and I have no desire to be 270 + at my age...just want to be tighter

How much more bf have you got to drop ? as no one says you dont really notice winnys effects till you drop below 10% and lower.

I actualy find it pretty good for strengh also but its best stacked say with prop and maybe some npp if you can get your hands on it - for some of us stana is nasty on the joints so one of the nandralones is usely added with it , npp being the faster acting version.

[WillGrant]

What would you recommend?

The goal here is to tighten up and dry out...not too worried about size.   Size I got

To cut you need to diet dude lol drugs will help you hold onto the lean tissue you have , you are not going to blow up if you are cutting down - diet is calorie deficit - putting size on is you take more calories in , which you proberly already know.. but to blow up on drugs they need to be in a calorie rich enviroment.. with cutting the drugs will just help maintain what you have unless of course you use tren - but not recomended for first up..

I find using dball whilst cutting with an AI gives the appearence of blowing up even though the scales are going down , just gives you a full tight look. everyones diff tho.

[no one]

How much more bf have you got to drop ? as no one says you dont really notice winnys effects till you drop below 10% and lower.

I actualy find it pretty good for strengh also but its best stacked say with prop and maybe some npp if you can get your hands on it - for some of us stana is nasty on the joints so one of the nandralones is usely added with it , npp being the faster acting version.

agreed totally.

like will grant says too- diet is the only thing that will truly manifest the hardness you want too due to your higher bf level. if you were already lean enough to use hardening compounds id say fill your boots, but i dont want to see you waste your $- and technically you can harden up on any compound. i know guys who have prep for and won shows using just test enanthate.

for the money groink i think you'll see far better results running low dose test stacked with some tren or npp over just winnie.

[gh15]

winstrol = no good,,you will see nothing from it and even when sub 8% it kill joint,,you get weaker ,,you wont be able to lift as heavy ,,your joints will kill you ,,winstrol is a cursed drug thaqt only fits fellas that are at the final final stage of prep and work with kids weights,,you know them you seen them before they come to gym work with 25lb dumbells ,,those are the ones who use winstrol,,if you are serious lifter you will curse the moment you went on winstrol

at your body fat levels and especialy water retention you need TRENBOLONA ,,thats the only thing that will harden you up and cut you while keeping all the lean muscle you have on mayeb even another 1/2 inch on the arms and rest of the muscles within 3-4 months period

masteron and trenbolona is KNOWN for conditioning of bodybuilder,,make bodybuilders look 20lb more than they actualy are and very conditioned ,,

if you take someone on trenbolona and masterona 200lb 6% he will resemble in size 220lb fella that is 7-8% and on testosterona and nandrolona,,simply because his condition will be better,,he will look harder and drier,,he will have lower bodyfat

there is no avoidance from trenbolona and masterona,,trenbolona when sub 13% masterona added when sub 8% ,,those are the 2 main aas we use for prep no matter what other tell you those are the 2 MUSTS in preps

masterona will also do something that trenbolona dont do...it will be anti estrogen,,it will by the day dry you up ,,it will take estrogen down and will initially get you to look drier and youll think you lose some delt size but no! within a week or 2 on it you will see you only dried up and hardened up into new dimentions while dieting,,it gets you.................


t i g h t


and clear the back ,,it will reveal the detail a bodybuilder look on the lower back due to the way it dries you,,


sean made winny so famous ,,liar priest too btu they really didnt use it much ,,winny was the excuse for failed test because winnny is nothing everyone dont care about winny its like the mnm of the steroids,,dont do shit so its easy to blame ,,ya knwo i took little 2mg winny pills that my friend gave me i thought they were tick tacks vitamins...


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[gh15]

oh and dont tell your dealr you want trenbolona and masterona because he will look at you like a you are a loonaateek,, its trenbolone acetate and mastron di propionate,,

leave the trenbolona and masterona balonie to here

gh15 approved

[Meso_z]

Most getbiggers are delusional about what can be achieved naturally.

[WillGrant]

oh and dont tell your dealr you want trenbolona and masterona because he will look at you like a you are a loonaateek,, its trenbolone acetate and mastron di propionate,,

leave the trenbolona and masterona balonie to here

gh15 approved

[dyslexic]

I just want to be tighter

Don't tell BayGM


J/k


I thought you were being serious about not juicing. My bad.

[Dr Dutch]

This is max natural. Hard, not ripped though. Would lose 20 lbs of muscle to get ripped.

[WillGrant]

This is max natural. Hard, not ripped though. Would lose 20 lbs of muscle to get ripped.

Pretty sure George played with Dballs 

[Dr Dutch]

How far do you have to go back in time?

[Firemuscle]

This is max natural. Hard, not ripped though. Would lose 20 lbs of muscle to get ripped.

 Show me a real natural who looks like that.
 
 Guy in the picture is on something for sure.

[Xerxes]

Great Groink, so now, after 1000 years of being "Mr.Natural" you suddenly want to start a cycle just to "harden up", even though you're @ 15% and would look pretty fucking hard dieted down to 240 by yourself.

All those years, what a waste

I am disappointed.

[Firemuscle]

Great Groink, so now, after 1000 years of being "Mr.Natural" you suddenly want to start a cycle just to "harden up", even though you're @ 15% and would look pretty fucking hard dieted down to 240 by yourself.

All those years, what a waste

I am disappointed.

 You just gotta read between the lines with Groink.

 He's not natty and he's not seriously claiming to be natty. He's just being careful and not admitting it online. He's probably got a clean and upstanding reputation in his community and he doesn't want to be known as "the guy who's on steroids."

 MuscleCenter and Big Ach are the same. They have posted face pics and their true identity is known. And they have a reputation to protect. So they cannot admit to their steroid use here.

 Are you gonna do some steroids? I'm thinking of starting them up when I move to a country where they are easily available. I'm just worried about bitch tits and going limp and bald and all that shit.

 

[Xerxes]

You just gotta read between the lines with Groink.

 He's not natty and he's not seriously claiming to be natty. He's just being careful and not admitting it online. He's probably got a clean and upstanding reputation in his community and he doesn't want to be known as "the guy who's on steroids."

 MuscleCenter and Big Ach are the same. They have posted face pics and their true identity is known. And they have a reputation to protect. So they cannot admit to their steroid use here.

 Are you gonna do some steroids? I'm thinking of starting them up when I move to a country where they are easily available. I'm just worried about bitch tits and going limp and bald and all that shit.

I've always given Ursus, Meso and Groink the benefit of the doubt for some reason, I'd rather be naive than to be enforcing limiting beliefs on myself.

I believe Big Ach when he says he only did prohormones, the one he did (twice I think) was powerful as well.

Musclecenter..well dunno, he is old so maybe HRT? Does he claim natural?

No I won't do them, I want to push myself naturally. Maybe in the distant future but definitely not @ 21.

[Firemuscle]

I've always given Ursus, Meso and Groink the benefit of the doubt for some reason, I'd rather be naive than to be enforcing limiting beliefs on myself.

I believe Big Ach when he says he only did prohormones, the one he did (twice I think) was powerful as well.

Musclecenter..well dunno, he is old so maybe HRT? Does he claim natural?

No I won't do them, I want to push myself naturally. Maybe in the distant future but definitely not @ 21.

 I used to always say to myself "I'll wait until i'm about 30 to try steroids."

 Well now 30 has come and gone for me, i'm thinking maybe it's time to try a low dose stack.

 I know myself though. And I think if I tried gear i'd probably end up going deep with it. I go deep with almost any drug I experiment with. That's one reason why I stay away.

[Xerxes]

I used to always say to myself "I'll wait until i'm about 30 to try steroids."

 Well now 30 has come and gone for me, i'm thinking maybe it's time to try a low dose stack.

 I know myself though. And I think if I tried gear i'd probably end up going deep with it. I go deep with almost any drug I experiment with. That's one reason why I stay away.

I hear ya man, shit is tempting sometimes, I got a few friends who jumped extremely in strength levels after a cycle and got big.

I think to myself that it has to be a sucky feeling to know you only lifted that because you're on.

Got a friend who offered me testo enathate the other day, told him naw maybe some other time.

[hangclean]

oh and dont tell your dealr you want trenbolona and masterona because he will look at you like a you are a loonaateek,, its trenbolone acetate and mastron di propionate,,

leave the trenbolona and masterona balonie to here

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LOL!!!!  Fuckin hilarious.  I imagine this has already happened a few times already because of your posts here.