Author Topic: Dorian's Sickest Conditioning. (Read 15579 times)

JP_RC · « **Reply #25 on:** April 28, 2011, 08:39:25 AM »

Quote from: suckmymuscle on April 28, 2011, 08:05:07 AM

How do all the other guys survive? Why do you assume that, just because a guy is Mr.Olympia, he is taking more drugs than his competitors? Going by your logic, then Tom Prince should never have had any health problems due to steroids, since he was far less successful than Mr.Olympia and thus the doses he took were much lower than Dorian's and since the latter didn't have any health problems, then the former shouldn't either(according to your logic). Dorian took as much as the other guys, and the reason why he looks so much better is because of his particular genetics for losing fat and water between muscle fibers, his year-long training with heavy compound movements using barbell and dumbbells to failure whilst his competitors used mostly machine movements stopping way before failure and his extreme dedication to his diet. All pro bodybuilders take the same amount of drugs: between 2,500-10,000 mg per week(all drugs combined). This is the amount Dorian took. He didn't take more or less than his competitors.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

You can't possibly know how much Dorian took, but if you don't believe Dorian started the huge drug abuse in bodybuilding alongside nasser, fux, etc. you're out of your mind.

Shockwave · « **Reply #26 on:** April 28, 2011, 09:00:59 AM »

Quote from: JP_RC on April 28, 2011, 08:35:35 AM

ok, ok we get it you like Dorian.

Ok, ok, we get it, you dont like Dorian.

Ying and Yang my friend, balance.
For every 1 of you and Hulkster, there is 1 of me and ND.

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #27 on:** April 28, 2011, 09:01:11 AM »

Quote from: muscularny on April 28, 2011, 08:33:53 AM

by todays standards hes 4 weeks out

And here we have the winner of the MSGDPOTY*

SUCKMYMUSCLE

*Most stupid god damn post of the year

dyslexic · « **Reply #28 on:** April 28, 2011, 09:12:24 AM »

Good choice of words: "protracted"

I know one thing for sure: Dorian doesn't look so good these days.

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #29 on:** April 28, 2011, 09:15:31 AM »

Quote from: MB on April 28, 2011, 08:27:49 AM

Why has no one been able to top Yates in nearly 20 years? Has drug use gone down since Dorian competed?

Because only Dorian ate the English Breakfast each day..

Figo · « **Reply #30 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:05:35 AM »

Quote from: muscularny on April 28, 2011, 08:33:53 AM

by todays standards hes 4 weeks out

what?

Xerxes · « **Reply #31 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:15:29 AM »

Quote from: Shockwave on April 28, 2011, 08:06:35 AM

top 10 ab thigh of all time (IMHO)

Fortress · « **Reply #32 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:21:43 AM »

Pics never did Dorian justice. To have seen him in person at his best was a life-altering experience. Like, HOLY SHIT!

Agent69 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:33:11 AM »

Quote from: Fortress on April 28, 2011, 10:21:43 AM

Pics never did Dorian justice. To have seen him in person at his best was a life-altering experience. Like, HOLY SHIT!

This....
I watched him on video for years in amazment as he dominated..then I saw him guest pose right after a Olympia win in 94 then watched him compete at the Olympia... it was un fucken real..his structure-muscle size and conditioning was just crazy in person...when he came out it was like ..ok its over...

JP_RC · « **Reply #34 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:43:59 AM »

Quote from: Agent69 on April 28, 2011, 10:33:11 AM

This....
I watched him on video for years in amazment as he dominated..then I saw him guest pose right after a Olympia win in 94 then watched him compete at the Olympia... it was un fucken real..his structure-muscle size and conditioning was just crazy in person...when he came out it was like ..ok its over...

Hi Dorian.

muscularny · « **Reply #35 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:45:18 AM »

hahahah this thread is full of those weak minds that bash everyone that looks good today and admire anyone of 15+ years ago.

The type that will go on and on how Regan or some other old president was great, the type who brags about good old days and how today everything sucks.

The Dorian worshiping is sad and pathetic!

Dr Dutch · « **Reply #36 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:48:53 AM »

Why is there hardly any Lee Haney worshiping on this board ?

MB · « **Reply #37 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:51:39 AM »

Quote from: muscularny on April 28, 2011, 10:45:18 AM

hahahah this thread is full of those weak minds that bash everyone that looks good today and admire anyone of 15+ years ago.

The type that will go on and on how Regan or some other old president was great, the type who brags about good old days and how today everything sucks.

The Dorian worshiping is sad and pathetic!

The best physiques could have come from any era. Most will say the '90s were best for BB.

yates fan · « **Reply #38 on:** April 28, 2011, 04:01:03 PM »

dont think for a minute,gouys werent upping the dose trying too catch haney,gaspari took getting shredded to a new level trying to dethrone haney,and dorian in his quest to beat lee,combined haneys size with gaspris conditioning,and once he was successful,everybody tried to emulate that by upping the dose.

dyslexic · « **Reply #39 on:** April 28, 2011, 04:06:15 PM »

Quote from: yates fan on April 28, 2011, 04:01:03 PM

dont think for a minute,gouys werent upping the dose trying too catch haney,gaspari took getting shredded to a new level trying to dethrone haney,and dorian in his quest to beat lee,combined haneys size with gaspris conditioning,and once he was successful,everybody tried to emulate that by upping the dose.

Gaspari was the glute striation guy, but his genetics never made him look outstanding as far a muscle shape... his conditioning was everything. It looks like he even stays ripped today.

Shockwave · « **Reply #40 on:** April 28, 2011, 04:42:25 PM »

Quote from: Xerxes on April 28, 2011, 10:15:29 AM

MP · « **Reply #41 on:** April 28, 2011, 06:55:24 PM »

If you haven't watched his Blood & Guts video, you're missing out.

That's what it boils down to. He was willing to put in the continual, brutal training.

Combine that with genetics, and yes drugs, and there you have it. What you see in that awesome video.

Fall short in any of those three categories and you won't be talked about among the greats.

Not going to say he was the greatest, but he is definitely in the top 10 of all time.

Firemuscle · « **Reply #42 on:** April 28, 2011, 07:02:21 PM »

I like how Dorian plans his posing routine carefully to hide his fucked up bicep. He hides it well.

Shockwave · « **Reply #43 on:** April 28, 2011, 07:50:10 PM »

Quote from: Xerxes on April 28, 2011, 06:59:50 PM

I'm sorry his abs are nothing special at all and his quads look like shit (remember everything is relative, you just said 10 best ab n thighs of all time ), only thing he has in that pose is wide lats and calves.

Seriously, wake up. It's the ab and thigh pose, not the lat and calf pose.

Of course I exaggerate to troll.
The point is from head to toe the man misses nothing, complete and balanced, and his ab&thigh is pretty awesome despite people bitching about his wide waist and gut.
If his ab&thigh is nothing special, why is he (easily) holding his own with Flex and Shawn, arguably two of the most aesthetic physiques of his era in the one pose that kills most mass monsters?
And his quads looking like shit are relatice like you said, IMHO his quads look just fine, odd genetic shape in the middle 2 quad heads, but with a clearly visible sartorius which Flex lacks and Ray's is blurry.

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #44 on:** April 28, 2011, 08:27:32 PM »

Quote from: JP_RC on April 28, 2011, 08:39:25 AM

You can't possibly know how much Dorian took, but if you don't believe Dorian started the huge drug abuse in bodybuilding alongside nasser, fux, etc. you're out of your mind.

Who cares? My point is that he didn't take any more than his competitors. Why do you assume that, just because a guy is Mr.Olympia, he takes more drugs than the guys who finish second, third, fourth, etc? Have you considered the possibility that the reason Dorian looked better is because he dedicated himself more to bodybuilding than his competitors?

Maybe Dorian did up the doses up in 1993 when he was the first 5'10 bodybuilder to step onstage ripped at 260 lbs, but in 1996 his competitors were clearly taking as much drugs as him. The evidence? Both Nasser and Jean-Pierre Fux are only 1" taller than Dorian and they were stepping onstage at 280 lbs. They were clearly taking as many drugs as Dorian or more. And guess what? They looked like shit compared to Dorian. Riddle me that?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

WillGrant · « **Reply #45 on:** April 28, 2011, 08:28:38 PM »

Quote from: affeman on April 28, 2011, 07:51:31 AM

How Dorian survived those humungous amounts of drugs he was taking is beyond me.

How he was even able to get in the gym and train on that mass amount of drugs is beyond me $:-\$

suckmymuscle · « **Reply #46 on:** April 28, 2011, 08:31:34 PM »

Quote from: muscularny on April 28, 2011, 10:45:18 AM

hahahah this thread is full of those weak minds that bash everyone that looks good today and admire anyone of 15+ years ago.

The type that will go on and on how Regan or some other old president was great, the type who brags about good old days and how today everything sucks.

The Dorian worshiping is sad and pathetic!

Do you honestly think Jay Cutler looks better than this

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Yev33 · « **Reply #47 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:22:48 PM »

Dorian was probably the smartest bodybuilder that ever competed in the IFBB, his training went against the grain of what almost everyone was doing at the time. And while no one knows exacly what he took and how much except for him, I am sure he was just as knowledgeable and put as much thought in his drug protocol as he did into his training and diet.

dyslexic · « **Reply #48 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:25:55 PM »

Quote from: MP on April 28, 2011, 06:55:24 PM

If you haven't watched his Blood & Guts video, you're missing out.

That's what it boils down to. He was willing to put in the continual, brutal training.

Combine that with genetics, and yes drugs, and there you have it. What you see in that awesome video.

Fall short in any of those three categories and you won't be talked about among the greats.

Not going to say he was the greatest, but he is definitely in the top 10 of all time.

I agree that's a decent video, but the leg pressing portion is rough to deal with. His belly is so huge and yet ripped. It's really difficult to grasp what happens to a guy internally while watching him give it his all.

very strange to see ripped abs on what looks like a pot-belly.

As far as inspiration and simplicity, it's a good watch. I always end up wishing some fucking gym around here had that Nautilus pullover machine.

cephissus · « **Reply #49 on:** April 28, 2011, 10:30:46 PM »

seriously! my gym has two pullover machines and they both totally blow. how hard is it to get it right?!