Dorian's Sickest Conditioning.

[suckmymuscle]

  In fairness to Cutler, his 2009 version could maybe beat Dorian at his worst at the 1994 Olympia. Jay was at his best conditioning and Dorian was at his worst. Dorian's worst conditioning is about the same as Jay's best, but Dorian was 262 lbs at the 1994 Olympia compared to Jay's 275 lbs at the 2009 Olympia, so maybe Jay would beat him on sheer size. Dorian would still have the better balance and symmetry as well as the superior structure, but Jay might overwhelm him on sheer mass.

  But as for the way Dorian appears in this video, forget about it. No version of Cutler comes even close to this. Jay 2009 would look off-season compared to Dorian with far less muscular definition and density, and Dorian had more muscular thickness than Jay ever had here - except for quadriceps. So Dorian blows Jay both on muscularity and conditioning. Game. Set. Match. The only one that could beat this would be Ronnie at his best, and I still think Dorian would win due to superior proportions and symmetry.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  What calls attention in this video is how much more muscular thickness Dorian had compared to the bodybuilders, including the larger ones like Sonbaty. They look like amateurs compared to Dorian. From the front, they can hold their own on width, but from the sides they look thin next to Dorian. Dorian's thickness was the result of many years doing heavy decline barbell bench presses and barbell rolls to failure. When you take into consideration subcutaneous and intramuscular fat and water, Dorian in this video had more lean muscle mass than Nasser El Sonbaty at 280 lbs.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[closeline]

 In fairness to Cutler, his 2009 version could maybe beat Dorian at his worst at the 1994 Olympia. Jay was at his best conditioning and Dorian was at his worst. Dorian's worst conditioning is about the same as Jay's best, but Dorian was 262 lbs at the 1994 Olympia compared to Jay's 275 lbs at the 2009 Olympia, so maybe Jay would beat him on sheer size. Dorian would still have the better balance and symmetry as well as the superior structure, but Jay might overwhelm him on sheer mass.

  But as for the way Dorian appears in this video, forget about it. No version of Cutler comes even close to this. Jay 2009 would look off-season compared to Dorian with far less muscular definition and density, and Dorian had more muscular thickness than Jay ever had here - except for quadriceps. So Dorian blows Jay both on muscularity and conditioning. Game. Set. Match. The only one that could beat this would be Ronnie at his best, and I still think Dorian would win due to superior proportions and symmetry.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

yates was not  that bad in 1994

just his tan was bad and his bicep injured

but he was very hard and massive

don t compare him to the cutler

[Shockwave]

yates was that bad in 1994

just his tan was bad and his bicep injured

but he was very hard and massive

don t compare him to the cutler

^ This.
97 Was Dorians worst year. Torn tri, torn quad, torn bi(s) (Im not sure, but I thought I read that he had torn his other bi before the 97 O?)
One arm was literally deformed in 97. Dorian's torso had gotten even more massive, and his arms just couldnt keep up, not with the tears, so it through off one of his biggest strengths, his balance and proportion and completeness.
97 was Dorians worst year by far. I understand WHY the judges gave Dorian the nod (Still more complete than Sonbatty, even with the tears, going by the judging standard.) but I dont agree with them. I think that the tears were far too bad by this point, and that Nasser should have won.
Dorians body just gave up on him in 97, couldnt take the abuse he put it through, and it broke down on him and his limbs paid the price. lol.

[Jaime]

for real,no jay is not better than dorian,the two best physiques of all time are dorian and ronnie,who was better is up for debate,once ronnie supersized,and came in at 290,it would have been hard for yates to beat him,dorian probably could have handled him until that point,but after dorian and ronnie,jay the last two years has the third best physique of alltime,haney at his all time best,might come close,but doubtful.

Bodybuilding physiques? Nubret, Labrada and the like.

[NeoSeminole]

[NeoSeminole]

[_bruce_]

 

[bodybuilder1234]

and abs and shoulder width

and conditioning and tris and size and presentation .....


BUT this was not prime Coleman

hey dude
do you have screencaps from Levrone in that photoshoot?

Kevin looked sick in 2000

[Shockwave]

Fckn Diesel was a BAMF.
As far as shredded bone-dry mass goes, Dorian is the fucking man.
Ronnie takes it for pure mass in 2003, conditioning was just acceptable.
Top 2 greatest of all time.

[NeoSeminole]

Fckn Diesel was a BAMF.
As far as shredded bone-dry mass goes, Dorian is the fucking man.
Ronnie takes it for pure mass in 2003, conditioning was just acceptable.
Top 2 greatest of all time.

it's a shame about his torn biceps. If Dorian didn't have any tears and his arms were bigger, I would pick that version over 03 Ronnie as the best ever

[suckmymuscle]

  The most amazing thing about how Dorian looks here at 1:14 when he is doing the back double biceps and you can see all of his back muscles, is the incredible thickness of his middle back. This came from doing very heavy stiff legged dealifts and one arm dumbbell rows to failure(200 lbs dumbbells for 8 reps with incredibly strict form). Some bodybuilders surpassed Dorian for back width(Jean-Pierre Fux, Markus Ruhl and Ronnie after 2003), and some had more sweep and detail to their back(Ray, Little Ronnie), but none can match Dorian for middle back thickness. Even Ronnie at the 2003 Olympia, who clearly surpassed Dorian for back mass, still hadn't a middle back as thick as Dorian's. I think that the extraordinary thickness of Dorian's middle back really gives a special look to his back. This and the fact that it seems carved out of rock.

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[Dr Dutch]

Always wondered how he kept his back symmetrical with one bicep blown.
Anyone has an answer to this?

[Meso_z]

Crazy shots.

[yates fan]

these are probably,the best shots of yates i have ever seen. great photos!

[Dr Dutch]

these are probably,the best shots of yates i have ever seen. great photos!

X2   Impressive.

[closeline]

these are probably,the best shots of yates i have ever seen. great photos!

they are from dorians dvd disc 2

must watch for every bb expert


if his left arm would just be as good as his right , i think he would be better than coleman

with all the tears it s  a tie going with the actual judging criteria

in my personal opinion yates was better  (nobody knows how massive he would have been in 2003 too)

[Iceman1981]

Always wondered how he kept his back symmetrical with one bicep blown.
Anyone has an answer to this?

My cousin tore his bicep before, but his strength and power is pretty much the same as it was before. I'm not sure why.

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My cousin tore his bicep before, but his strength and power is pretty much the same as it was before. I'm not sure why.

cross sectional area of the muscle and the leverage remains the same, and so the strength as well

[Iceman1981]

hey dude
do you have screencaps from Levrone in that photoshoot?

Kevin looked sick in 2000

[Palpatine Q]

Of course I exaggerate to troll.
The point is from head to toe the man misses nothing, complete and balanced, and his ab&thigh is pretty awesome despite people bitching about his wide waist and gut.
If his ab&thigh is nothing special, why is he (easily) holding his own with Flex and Shawn, arguably two of the most aesthetic physiques of his era in the one pose that kills most mass monsters?
And his quads looking like shit are relatice like you said, IMHO his quads look just fine, odd genetic shape in the middle 2 quad heads, but with a clearly visible sartorius which Flex lacks and Ray's is blurry.

And that right there is the thing with the Yates nuthuggers. His quads are completely fucked up looking, but look at that "sartorius"  

[Shockwave]

And that right there is the thing with the Yates nuthuggers. His quads are completely fucked up looking, but look at that "sartorius"  

His quad has an overdeveloped middle head. 
Same as any other bodybuilder that has a muscle that doesnt look perfect... like, lets see, EVERY bodybuilder.
Just like how biceps look different on different people, have different shapes, etc.
Lol.

[GroinkTropin]

His quad has an overdeveloped middle head. 
Same as any other bodybuilder that has a muscle that doesnt look perfect... like, lets see, EVERY bodybuilder.
Just like how biceps look different on different people, have different shapes, etc.
Lol.

Rectus femoris.

[GroinkTropin]

Also, as a huge fan of bbing since around 1994, I do not believe Dorian at his best would lose to Ronnie at his best.

He had way too much mid back thickness, hamstring and calf thickness etc to lose to Ronnie. His conditioning was also superior- much drier and equally as ripped.

Ronnie had a habit of appearing EXPLOSIVE when he posed- his body would really come to life- which definitely makes him look awe-inspiring when he flexed, but his body looked somewhat dead just standing there.

He was also rarely in peak shape and usually waterlogged at the time he took the stage.

I suspect he just had so much muscle it was very difficult to properly carb load. Also he grew so fast he never game himself a chance to toy around with his new bodyweight. Dorian grew at a slower rate and thus had a better feel for his body.

All that said, I do agree Ronnie was mind blowing, but since the Ronnie-Dorian debates have waged for years I figured I would weigh in the facts, and the fact is Dorian was more balanced and had only a torn muscle as a weakness. That's it! A torn muscle! If anything the judges probably respected him more because of it.

I will also say Ronnie was a true beast and just amazing in the gym and on stage, but Dorian was a true professional, and Ronnie would never have beaten him.

Show me pics of both at their best, all the mandatory's, and show me point by point how Ronnie defeats him. It is impossible, and is NOT happening.

Dorian was the GOAT and none have eclipsed him, despite the better drugs! It's truly remarkable.

[njflex]

grand prix tours were always better for the bber ,lots of countries,and a shade off olympia condition which to them was 10 or so lbs which maybe not as dry but a lot thicker and full.