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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #575 on: May 09, 2011, 06:50:45 AM »
I said Panetta.  so far - the story is that Panetta was working this hard and could not get bama or jarrett on board.  Panetta then went to Hillary to get her on board and she stareted applying pressure along with Gates, and eventually Daley.

Making Bama look like he is Patton racing across Europe is beyond absurd.   

Even if this was the case, so what???..thats the way its supposed to work...this is why presidents have advisors...some want to do this..some want to do that...some are opposed and some are against....they all put pressure on the president to see things their way....and then the president makes the decision....

its the same shit..Obama still makes the call..and he reaps the benefits or suffer the consequences when it doesn't go well.....

sorry I had to sink your ship again.....I just can't help calling you out for the idiot you are

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« Reply #576 on: May 09, 2011, 06:56:33 AM »
So when bama made the terrible calls to ban drilling, ban refinieries, ban the pipeline, ban shells' investments, etc, print dollars like no tommorow, and everything spikes from food to energy - you dont blame him for those results.


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« Reply #577 on: May 09, 2011, 08:09:15 AM »
My guess is that the military did this on their own and now bama is trying to take credit.   

Completely unfounded CT here ;)

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« Reply #578 on: May 09, 2011, 02:41:53 PM »
Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan
US forces were given permission to conduct unilateral raid inside Pakistan if they knew where Bin Laden was hiding, officials say
guardian.co.uk, Monday 9 May 2011 19.06 BST Article history



The deal was struck between Pervez Musharraf and George Bush in 2001 and renewed during the 'transition to democracy' – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected. Photograph: Joshua Roberts/Reuters


The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.

The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.

Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.

"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

The deal puts a new complexion on the political storm triggered by Bin Laden's death in Abbottabad, 35 miles north of Islamabad, where a team of US navy Seals assaulted his safe house in the early hours of 2 May.

Pakistani officials have insisted they knew nothing of the raid, with military and civilian leaders issuing a strong rebuke to the US. If the US conducts another such assault, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani warned parliament on Monday, "Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force."

Days earlier, Musharraf, now running an opposition party from exile in London, emerged as one of the most vocal critics of the raid, terming it a "violation of the sovereignty of Pakistan".

But under the terms of the secret deal, while Pakistanis may not have been informed of the assault, they had agreed to it in principle.

A senior Pakistani official said it had been struck under Musharraf and renewed by the army during the "transition to democracy" – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected.

Referring to the assault on Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound, the official added: "As far as our American friends are concerned, they have just implemented the agreement."

The former US official said the Pakistani protests of the past week were the "public face" of the deal. "We knew they would deny this stuff."

The agreement is consistent with Pakistan's unspoken policy towards CIA drone strikes in the tribal belt, which was revealed by the WikiLeaks US embassy cables last November. In August 2008, Gilani reportedly told a US official: "I don't care if they do it, as long as they get the right people. We'll protest in the National Assembly and then ignore it."

As drone strikes have escalated in the tribal belt over the past year, senior civilian and military officials issued pro forma denunciations even as it became clear the Pakistani military was co-operating with the covert programme.

The former US official said that impetus for the co-operation, much like the Bin Laden deal, was driven by the US. "It didn't come from Musharraf's desire. On the Predators, we made it very clear to them that if they weren't going to prosecute these targets, we were, and there was nothing they could do to stop us taking unilateral action.

"We told them, over and again: 'We'll stop the Predators if you take these targets out yourselves.'"

Despite several attempts to contact his London office, the Guardian has been unable to obtain comment from Musharraf.

Since Bin Laden's death, Pakistan has come under intense US scrutiny, including accusations that elements within Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence helped hide the al-Qaida leader.

On Sunday, President Barack Obama said Bin Laden must have had "some sort of support network" inside Pakistan.

"We don't know whether there might have been some people inside of government, outside of government, and that's something we have to investigate," Obama said.

Gilani has stood firmly by the ISI, describing it as a "national asset", and said claims that Pakistan was "in cahoots" with al-Qaida were "disingenuous".

"Allegations of complicity or incompetence are absurd," he said. "We didn't invite Osama bin Laden to Pakistan."

Gilani said the army had launched an investigation into how Bin Laden managed to hide inside Pakistan. Senior generals will give a briefing on the furore to parliament next Friday.

Gilani paid lip-service to the alliance with America and welcomed a forthcoming visit from the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, but pointedly paid tribute to help from China, whom he described as "a source of inspiration for the people of Pakistan".


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal


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« Reply #579 on: May 09, 2011, 03:03:15 PM »
Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan
US forces were given permission to conduct unilateral raid inside Pakistan if they knew where Bin Laden was hiding, officials say
guardian.co.uk, Monday 9 May 2011 19.06 BST Article history



The deal was struck between Pervez Musharraf and George Bush in 2001 and renewed during the 'transition to democracy' – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected. Photograph: Joshua Roberts/Reuters


The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.

The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.

Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.

"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

The deal puts a new complexion on the political storm triggered by Bin Laden's death in Abbottabad, 35 miles north of Islamabad, where a team of US navy Seals assaulted his safe house in the early hours of 2 May.

Pakistani officials have insisted they knew nothing of the raid, with military and civilian leaders issuing a strong rebuke to the US. If the US conducts another such assault, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani warned parliament on Monday, "Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force."

Days earlier, Musharraf, now running an opposition party from exile in London, emerged as one of the most vocal critics of the raid, terming it a "violation of the sovereignty of Pakistan".

But under the terms of the secret deal, while Pakistanis may not have been informed of the assault, they had agreed to it in principle.

A senior Pakistani official said it had been struck under Musharraf and renewed by the army during the "transition to democracy" – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected.

Referring to the assault on Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound, the official added: "As far as our American friends are concerned, they have just implemented the agreement."

The former US official said the Pakistani protests of the past week were the "public face" of the deal. "We knew they would deny this stuff."

The agreement is consistent with Pakistan's unspoken policy towards CIA drone strikes in the tribal belt, which was revealed by the WikiLeaks US embassy cables last November. In August 2008, Gilani reportedly told a US official: "I don't care if they do it, as long as they get the right people. We'll protest in the National Assembly and then ignore it."

As drone strikes have escalated in the tribal belt over the past year, senior civilian and military officials issued pro forma denunciations even as it became clear the Pakistani military was co-operating with the covert programme.

The former US official said that impetus for the co-operation, much like the Bin Laden deal, was driven by the US. "It didn't come from Musharraf's desire. On the Predators, we made it very clear to them that if they weren't going to prosecute these targets, we were, and there was nothing they could do to stop us taking unilateral action.

"We told them, over and again: 'We'll stop the Predators if you take these targets out yourselves.'"

Despite several attempts to contact his London office, the Guardian has been unable to obtain comment from Musharraf.

Since Bin Laden's death, Pakistan has come under intense US scrutiny, including accusations that elements within Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence helped hide the al-Qaida leader.

On Sunday, President Barack Obama said Bin Laden must have had "some sort of support network" inside Pakistan.

"We don't know whether there might have been some people inside of government, outside of government, and that's something we have to investigate," Obama said.

Gilani has stood firmly by the ISI, describing it as a "national asset", and said claims that Pakistan was "in cahoots" with al-Qaida were "disingenuous".

"Allegations of complicity or incompetence are absurd," he said. "We didn't invite Osama bin Laden to Pakistan."

Gilani said the army had launched an investigation into how Bin Laden managed to hide inside Pakistan. Senior generals will give a briefing on the furore to parliament next Friday.

Gilani paid lip-service to the alliance with America and welcomed a forthcoming visit from the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, but pointedly paid tribute to help from China, whom he described as "a source of inspiration for the people of Pakistan".


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal



Verrry interesting.  So Dubya deserves even more credit for this.  I wonder how Obama will deal with it?

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« Reply #580 on: May 09, 2011, 04:09:54 PM »
Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan
US forces were given permission to conduct unilateral raid inside Pakistan if they knew where Bin Laden was hiding, officials say
guardian.co.uk, Monday 9 May 2011 19.06 BST Article history



The deal was struck between Pervez Musharraf and George Bush in 2001 and renewed during the 'transition to democracy' – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected. Photograph: Joshua Roberts/Reuters


The US and Pakistan struck a secret deal almost a decade ago permitting a US operation against Osama bin Laden on Pakistani soil similar to last week's raid that killed the al-Qaida leader, the Guardian has learned.

The deal was struck between the military leader General Pervez Musharraf and President George Bush after Bin Laden escaped US forces in the mountains of Tora Bora in late 2001, according to serving and retired Pakistani and US officials.

Under its terms, Pakistan would allow US forces to conduct a unilateral raid inside Pakistan in search of Bin Laden, his deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and the al-Qaida No3. Afterwards, both sides agreed, Pakistan would vociferously protest the incursion.

"There was an agreement between Bush and Musharraf that if we knew where Osama was, we were going to come and get him," said a former senior US official with knowledge of counterterrorism operations. "The Pakistanis would put up a hue and cry, but they wouldn't stop us."

The deal puts a new complexion on the political storm triggered by Bin Laden's death in Abbottabad, 35 miles north of Islamabad, where a team of US navy Seals assaulted his safe house in the early hours of 2 May.

Pakistani officials have insisted they knew nothing of the raid, with military and civilian leaders issuing a strong rebuke to the US. If the US conducts another such assault, Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani warned parliament on Monday, "Pakistan reserves the right to retaliate with full force."

Days earlier, Musharraf, now running an opposition party from exile in London, emerged as one of the most vocal critics of the raid, terming it a "violation of the sovereignty of Pakistan".

But under the terms of the secret deal, while Pakistanis may not have been informed of the assault, they had agreed to it in principle.

A senior Pakistani official said it had been struck under Musharraf and renewed by the army during the "transition to democracy" – a six-month period from February 2008 when Musharraf was still president but a civilian government had been elected.

Referring to the assault on Bin Laden's Abbottabad compound, the official added: "As far as our American friends are concerned, they have just implemented the agreement."

The former US official said the Pakistani protests of the past week were the "public face" of the deal. "We knew they would deny this stuff."

The agreement is consistent with Pakistan's unspoken policy towards CIA drone strikes in the tribal belt, which was revealed by the WikiLeaks US embassy cables last November. In August 2008, Gilani reportedly told a US official: "I don't care if they do it, as long as they get the right people. We'll protest in the National Assembly and then ignore it."

As drone strikes have escalated in the tribal belt over the past year, senior civilian and military officials issued pro forma denunciations even as it became clear the Pakistani military was co-operating with the covert programme.

The former US official said that impetus for the co-operation, much like the Bin Laden deal, was driven by the US. "It didn't come from Musharraf's desire. On the Predators, we made it very clear to them that if they weren't going to prosecute these targets, we were, and there was nothing they could do to stop us taking unilateral action.

"We told them, over and again: 'We'll stop the Predators if you take these targets out yourselves.'"

Despite several attempts to contact his London office, the Guardian has been unable to obtain comment from Musharraf.

Since Bin Laden's death, Pakistan has come under intense US scrutiny, including accusations that elements within Pakistan's Inter-Services Intelligence helped hide the al-Qaida leader.

On Sunday, President Barack Obama said Bin Laden must have had "some sort of support network" inside Pakistan.

"We don't know whether there might have been some people inside of government, outside of government, and that's something we have to investigate," Obama said.

Gilani has stood firmly by the ISI, describing it as a "national asset", and said claims that Pakistan was "in cahoots" with al-Qaida were "disingenuous".

"Allegations of complicity or incompetence are absurd," he said. "We didn't invite Osama bin Laden to Pakistan."

Gilani said the army had launched an investigation into how Bin Laden managed to hide inside Pakistan. Senior generals will give a briefing on the furore to parliament next Friday.

Gilani paid lip-service to the alliance with America and welcomed a forthcoming visit from the US secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, but pointedly paid tribute to help from China, whom he described as "a source of inspiration for the people of Pakistan".


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal



B-b-b-b-but according to 240 and the other guys who take turns sucking Obama's tiny pecker, Bush chose not to focus on OBL and both he and McCain said they wouldn't invade Pakistan or something retarded along those lines. It's hard trying to replicate guys who type with Obama's spunk in their eyes.

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« Reply #581 on: May 09, 2011, 04:22:21 PM »
weird... i wonder why bush let him escape capture in pakistan, as was revealed in july 14 2005, saying he was scared it would upset out paki allies.

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« Reply #582 on: May 09, 2011, 04:24:58 PM »
weird... i wonder why bush let him escape capture in pakistan, as was revealed in july 14 2005, saying he was scared it would upset out paki allies.

Maybe you should read the book written by one of the Delta force soldiers that was there, dipshit. He runs down exactly why OBL got away and the biggest reason was trusting Pakistan with the simple task of securing the mountain pass they walked right through.

But hey, let's talk about things we have no fucking clue about.

Derp, OBL's wife shot him. Derp, I'm 240 and I'm a retard. Derp.

















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« Reply #583 on: May 09, 2011, 04:29:59 PM »
Maybe you should read the book written by one of the Delta force soldiers that was there, dipshit. He runs down exactly why OBL got away and the biggest reason was trusting Pakistan with the simple task of securing the mountain pass they walked right through.


I was under the impression that this was the case... That's how it was presented in the news... Oh wait, I'm not supposed to trust them... Only Alex Jones knows the truth right? ::)

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« Reply #584 on: May 09, 2011, 04:31:28 PM »
I was under the impression that this was the case... That's how it was presented in the news... Oh wait, I'm not supposed to trust them... Only Alex Jones knows the truth right? ::)

Why trust one of the Delta guys that was inserted half a mile ahead of anyone else alongside CIA paramilitary and was involved in fighting cave-to-cave while also taking friendly fire due to the fact no one knew they were there? Much easier to believe 240. He's got access to the internet, after all.

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« Reply #585 on: May 09, 2011, 04:34:38 PM »
no dummies :)

I'm talking about the attempt in early 2005 which was cancelled due to fears of upsetting the paki govt.

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« Reply #586 on: May 09, 2011, 04:34:50 PM »
Why trust one of the Delta guys that was inserted half a mile ahead of anyone else alongside CIA paramilitary and was involved in fighting cave-to-cave while also taking friendly fire due to the fact no one knew they were there? Much easier to believe 240. He's got access to the internet, after all.

I've talked to the CIA ground ops guys... (We worked with them here in the studio for the last MOH) and when I said, "How did Osama get away", they point blank said to me... "Ask Pakistan."

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« Reply #587 on: May 09, 2011, 04:39:49 PM »
I've talked to the CIA ground ops guys... (We worked with them here in the studio for the last MOH) and when I said, "How did Osama get away", they point blank said to me... "Ask Pakistan."

You should read the book (can't remember the name right now). He gives a few reasons for why OBL got away but his #1 was, far and away, the mistake of trusting Pakistan.

Of course, 240 knows better. He stared down some black dude at a gas station.

Must have been pretty cool meeting those guys.  8)

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« Reply #588 on: May 09, 2011, 04:59:06 PM »
You should read the book (can't remember the name right now). He gives a few reasons for why OBL got away but his #1 was, far and away, the mistake of trusting Pakistan.

Of course, 240 knows better. He stared down some black dude at a gas station.

Must have been pretty cool meeting those guys.  8)

Some interesting stories...

Apparently, to get to the US... they take all kinds of flights... hopping all over. Well one guy had taken about 10 hops or something ridiculous to get to LA all on military stuff, and ended up in LAX.

He goes to security and he's looking ridiculous and scruffy... The TSA people go to stop him for some random checks and he doesn't have any ID... He just didn't think about it... They try to give him a hard time, and he's all are you kidding me? A argument ensues... Airport police are called over... He reaches into his bag and the cops draw down on him.

He pulls out a letter (I'm not sure exactly what this letter was, but it basically says, he is in the US government and you can not detain him for ANY reason.

The cops read it... they call some number on the letter... Whoever the spooky voice was at the other end basically straightened them all out post haste and he walks right through security like he owns the place.


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« Reply #589 on: May 09, 2011, 05:14:35 PM »
Some interesting stories...

Apparently, to get to the US... they take all kinds of flights... hopping all over. Well one guy had taken about 10 hops or something ridiculous to get to LA all on military stuff, and ended up in LAX.

He goes to security and he's looking ridiculous and scruffy... The TSA people go to stop him for some random checks and he doesn't have any ID... He just didn't think about it... They try to give him a hard time, and he's all are you kidding me? A argument ensues... Airport police are called over... He reaches into his bag and the cops draw down on him.

He pulls out a letter (I'm not sure exactly what this letter was, but it basically says, he is in the US government and you can not detain him for ANY reason.

The cops read it... they call some number on the letter... Whoever the spooky voice was at the other end basically straightened them all out post haste and he walks right through security like he owns the place.



That's pretty cool. HH6 told me about the times he ran into them into Iraq and what not. I believe he said they pretty much just came and went at their own discretion and would pop up every now and then inside one of the bases.

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« Reply #590 on: May 09, 2011, 07:12:25 PM »
I've talked to the CIA ground ops guys... (We worked with them here in the studio for the last MOH) and when I said, "How did Osama get away", they point blank said to me... "Ask Pakistan."

Wht did you do for MOH?

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« Reply #591 on: May 09, 2011, 07:37:50 PM »
Wht did you do for MOH?

I'm the Senior Infrastructure Engineer in IT for Dangerclose Games and Victory Game Studio. (EALA)

From the Medal of Honor credits... About 6 lines down. (In IT) The top guy is the studio IT manager... I'm the guy below him.


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« Reply #592 on: May 09, 2011, 08:01:51 PM »
we are not talking about 2001 tora bora.

talking about bush not pursuing bin laden in pakistan in 2005 when they had him in sights.



tu, that's awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #593 on: May 09, 2011, 08:05:29 PM »
we are not talking about 2001 tora bora.

talking about bush not pursuing bin laden in pakistan in 2005 when they had him in sights.



tu, that's awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haha. What constitutes "in their sights". A purported sighting? You seem to think tracking HVTs in an area of the world where everyone wants you dead is the easiest thing in the world. Yessir, the dozens of JSOC operators (you know, the best trained fighters on the planet) that have been killed in Pakistan since 2001 really scream "easy job".

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« Reply #594 on: May 09, 2011, 08:18:35 PM »
i think they showed the video, didn't they?  tall guy in flowing white robe?  surrounded with guards?  we decided against the airstrike?  there were threads on it here on getbig on july 14-20, back in 2005, but i am watching the nba at the moment.

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« Reply #595 on: May 10, 2011, 08:31:24 AM »
Al Queada "command center" - ha ha ha ha



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« Reply #596 on: May 10, 2011, 11:31:31 AM »
Al Queada "command center" - ha ha ha ha




Funny, but it's probably more sophisticated than the command center used to plan 9/11.   :-\

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« Reply #597 on: May 10, 2011, 12:01:55 PM »
Of course Bush deserves a bunch of credit.

In a related note, Herbert Hoover won WWII.
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« Reply #598 on: May 10, 2011, 05:24:54 PM »
Well, this destroys 240's credibility for the umpteenth time:

Gutsy Call: Bush Ordered SEAL Raids Into Pakistan in 2006 and 2008

ON a moonless night, US helicopters carrying a team of America's most elite forces crossed the Afghanistan border into Pakistan in pursuit of one of the world's most wanted terrorists.

Hovering over the compound, heavily armed US Navy SEALs scrambled expertly down ladders on to Pakistani soil as Pentagon officials in Virginia watched the events unfold by video link from a camera in an unmanned drone flying over the site.

But this did not happen last week, and the target was not Osama bin Laden.

It was 2006 and the man in the American's sights was bin Laden's

al-Qa'ida deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who is still believed to be hiding within or close to Pakistan's tribal areas.

The little-known operation in Pakistan's remote Bajaur Agency near the Afghan border, ultimately unsuccessful, is rarely talked about and was never publicly claimed by the US administration.

But what it reveals is that last Monday's operation, which has sparked ferocious debate in Pakistan over national sovereignty, is far from the first time that elite USforces have mounted military operations on the ground in the nuclear-armed nation.

Prime Minister Yousaf Raza Gilani was to address parliament last night to reiterate a message driven home last week by Pakistani military chiefs - that the country would not tolerate any further breaches of sovereignty by the US or any other nation.

He was also expected to announce a parliamentary inquiry into the intelligence services' failure to detect bin Laden, who lived for five years under their noses in the garrison town of Abbottabad.

Pakistani army chief General Ashfaq Parvez Kayani told senior Pakistani journalists last week that "certain red lines had been crossed" by the US military.

Several people present at that briefing have suggested the subtext of his message was that the US had crossed a line by carrying out an operation in an area where Pakistan's urban and increasingly anti-US population could bear witness to it.

The Navy SEAL operation in Bajaur Agency was first reported by The New York Times in 2008, which cited a former top CIA official as confirming the mission.

A former ISI station chief for Pakistan's Pashtun-dominated northwest and tribal areas from 2001 to 2003, Asad Munir, yesterday also confirmed the 2006 operation took place, and was different to the drone strike on a suspected Zawahiri compound in January of the same year that is said to have killed up to 25 civilians.

"They flew over in helicopters, people came out on ladders and searched the compound, found nothing, and flew back," Brigadier Munir told The Australian.

"It was known by the ISI, but not by the media, and never made it to the newspapers. It was a very low-profile operation, but I have no doubt that it occurred."

He said yet another operation occurred in 2008 just over the Afghan border in South Waziristan, in which three US special operations officers raided a madrassa suspected of being used as a base from which insurgents were firing on coalition forces.

Rustam Shah Mohmand, a former chief secretary of the northwest frontier province and Tribal Areas Commissioner, also confirmed the fact that last week's Navy SEALs raid was not the first on Pakistani soil.

"Americans have carried out small operations mostly on the border areas in the past, but they were hidden from public view," he said. "But this time they came deep inside Pakistan territory."

Authority for such sovereignty-breaching operations is believed to have been given in a 2004 classified US document called "Al-Qa'ida Network Exord", which streamlined the approval process for the US military to act outside officially declared war zones.

US President Barack Obama has conceded his administration took a giant risk by launching such a high-profile operation within an urban area when they were not certain bin Laden was even in the compound.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/seals-have-been-over-there-before-just-quietly/story-fn8ljzlv-1226052818060



And countless other unknown excursions into Pakistan.

Onward and upward to the neck stupid fucking claim for you, 240.  :)

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Re: Bin Laden dead.
« Reply #599 on: May 10, 2011, 05:44:12 PM »
the event i was speaking of was 2005, wasn't it?

what does your 06 and 08 events prove?