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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2011, 07:15:43 AM »
Did Waterboarding Just Get Vindicated?
Joe Weisenthal ^ | 5-2-11 | Business Insider




The view from (some) on the right in regard to the Bin Laden news is: waterboarding is vindicated.

One GOP Congressman tweeted: Wonder what President Obama thinks of water boarding now?

The reason is that there's a direct line to be traced from the big news to data collected at GITMO -- data that was almost certainly collected under duress.

Here's the key interrogation note regarding a courier going to Abottabad:

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2011, 07:45:37 AM »
Facts say otherwise.

The fact is that the detainees who gave up the courier's name were waterboarded. Fact.


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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #5 on: May 03, 2011, 11:15:14 AM »
Yawn - Peter King is one of the top guys on the intel committee you communist puke.   Don't you have others' posts to steal or something?

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #6 on: May 03, 2011, 06:47:50 PM »
CIA Director Says Intel from Waterboarding Led to Bin Laden Raid
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On the role of interrogation:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?
LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here... It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got... I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: So finer point, one final time, enhanced interrogation techniques -- which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years -- that includes water boarding?
LEON PANETTA: That's correct

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2011, 06:51:16 PM »

peter king hahaha you might as well quote peter griffin from the family guy :D :D :D


LMFAO this coming from the guy who posted a quote from an OBAMA ADVISOR!!!!

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2011, 07:24:14 PM »
CIA Director Says Intel from Waterboarding Led to Bin Laden Raid
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On the role of interrogation:
BRIAN WILLIAMS: Can you confirm that it was as a result of water boarding that we learned what we needed to learn to go after Bin Laden?
LEON PANETTA: Brian, in the intelligence business you work from a lot of sources of information and that was true here... It's a little difficult to say it was due just to one source of information that we got... I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees. But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going to be an open question.
BRIAN WILLIAMS: So finer point, one final time, enhanced interrogation techniques -- which has always been kind of a handy euphemism in these post-9/11 years -- that includes water boarding?
LEON PANETTA: That's correct

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2011, 07:30:53 PM »
I would torture these fuckers myself if they allowed it.

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2011, 07:41:56 PM »
I would torture these fuckers myself if they allowed it.

that's a good idea we could have them read your 30+ posts a day,that will make them talk :D

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2011, 07:44:35 PM »
that's a good idea we could have them read your 30+ posts a day,that will make them talk :D
or your true adonis like youtube skills...

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2011, 07:44:55 PM »
Source: Talk Radio News Service

Tuesday, May 3, 2011 At 12:28PM | Justin Duckham

Former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld is claiming the information that tipped the U.S. off to terrorist leader Osama bin Laden’s location was not collected through the controversial enhanced interrogation technique known as waterboarding.

“It is true that some information that came from normal interrogation approaches at Guantanamo did lead to information that was beneficial in this instance,” Rumsfeld said during an interview with the conservative magazine Newsmax. “But it was not harsh treatment and it was not waterboarding.”

Bin Laden’s location was reportedly revealed by tracking the terrorist leader’s top courier, whose identity was revealed by al Qaeda official Khald Sheik Mohammed. Rumsfeld’s statement counters speculation from a number of conservative commentators and lawmakers that Mohammed may have revealed the identity following the enhanced interrogation technique, a development that many claimed would justify the use of the controversial method.

Rumsfeld joins a cast of others who have shed doubt on the role waterboarding may have played in the investigation. When asked during an interview on MSNBC Tuesday morning if waterboarding directly lead to bin Laden, Obama’s top counterterrorism advisor John Brennan responded “not to my knowledge.” In addition, an Associated Press story that cites former CIA officials attributes the bin Laden information to standard interrogation perfrormed months after Mohammed was subjected to the technique.

Mohammed, a Guantanamo Bay detainee, was reportedly waterboarded 183 times.

Read more: http://www.talkradionews.com/topstories/2011/5/3/rumsfe...


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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2011, 07:47:56 PM »
Ha ha ha.   So panetta is lying?

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2011, 07:49:10 PM »
I am sure it was a part of it... Was it a direct thing? Who knows... If it REALLY was, then I suppose I will have to change my idea about waterboarding in regards to it's usefulness.

I do still consider it torture... but I guess that's the name of the game right?

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #15 on: May 03, 2011, 07:52:01 PM »
I am sure it was a part of it... Was it a direct thing? Who knows... If it REALLY was, then I suppose I will have to change my idea about waterboarding in regards to it's usefulness.

I do still consider it torture... but I guess that's the name of the game right?

Funny , I have said from day 1 I am perfectly ok w torture.   Lol. 

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #16 on: May 03, 2011, 07:53:38 PM »
Ha ha ha.   So panetta is lying?

hahaha so rummy is lying  ::)

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #17 on: May 03, 2011, 07:55:47 PM »
hahaha so rummy is lying  ::)

Rummy is 78 yo and has been out of the loop for years. 

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #18 on: May 03, 2011, 07:57:37 PM »
I am sure it was a part of it... Was it a direct thing? Who knows... If it REALLY was, then I suppose I will have to change my idea about waterboarding in regards to it's usefulness.

I do still consider it torture... but I guess that's the name of the game right?

I think it pales in comparison to sawing someone's head off and posting video of it on the internet.

There's a reason the Mexican cartels started beheading people after seeing those videos. Can't say I've come across any examples of them waterboarding people, though.

hahaha so rummy is lying  ::)

Answer the question, douche bag. Is Panetta lying? Do you honestly think you, or any the twats you're quoting, know better than the head of the CIA?  ::)

Watching you dems trying to bury the fact that it was info. gained from waterboarded terrorists that set the wheels of OBL's death in motion years ago is hilarious. The blood must be boiling. All those years saying that waterboarding never yielded good info. completely ruined. Hahahaha!

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #19 on: May 03, 2011, 07:59:27 PM »
I think it pales in comparison to sawing someone's head off and posting video of it on the internet.

There's a reason the Mexican cartels started beheading people after seeing those videos. Can't say I've come across any examples of them waterboarding people, though.

Answer the question, douche bag. Is Panetta lying? Do you honestly think you, or any the twats you're quoting, know better than the head of the CIA?  ::)

Watching you dems trying to bury the fact that it was info. gained from waterboarded terrorists that set the wheels of OBL's death in motion years ago is hilarious. The blood must be boiling. All those years saying that waterboarding never yielded good info. completely ruined. Hahahaha!

You're right dude... compared to beheadings of innocent civilians on Al-Jazeera and what not... It's not shit... Good perspective.

Fuck it... Glad we got the guy however we did.

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #20 on: May 03, 2011, 08:00:53 PM »
You're right dude... compared to beheadings of innocent civilians on Al-Jazeera and what not... It's not shit... Good perspective.

Fuck it... Glad we got the #### however we did.

True that. I'm just hoping they show the picture of him with his head blown into pieces.

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #21 on: May 03, 2011, 08:01:16 PM »
I am sure it was a part of it... Was it a direct thing? Who knows... If it REALLY was, then I suppose I will have to change my idea about waterboarding in regards to it's usefulness.

I do still consider it torture... but I guess that's the name of the game right?
the whole thing is that it can be very effective if they have information but it can lead to false intel b/c they are going to tell you whatever the shit you want hear to get it to stop.


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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2011, 08:02:27 PM »
Answer the question, douche bag. Is Panetta lying? Do you honestly think you, or any the twats you're quoting, know better than the head of the CIA?  ::)

Watching you dems trying to bury the fact that it was info. gained from waterboarded terrorists that set the wheels of OBL's death in motion years ago is hilarious. The blood must be boiling. All those years saying that waterboarding never yielded good info. completely ruined. Hahahaha!
bu bu bu but but...obamas advisor said so...

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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #23 on: May 03, 2011, 08:04:07 PM »
True that. I'm just hoping they show the picture of him with his head blown into pieces.

I want it to look like that Britney Spears southpark image.






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Re: Obama Advisor: Waterboarding Didn’t Lead to Bin Laden Kill
« Reply #24 on: May 03, 2011, 08:05:07 PM »
I think it pales in comparison to sawing someone's head off and posting video of it on the internet.

There's a reason the Mexican cartels started beheading people after seeing those videos. Can't say I've come across any examples of them waterboarding people, though.

Answer the question, douche bag. Is Panetta lying? Do you honestly think you, or any the twats you're quoting, know better than the head of the CIA?  ::)

Watching you dems trying to bury the fact that it was info. gained from waterboarded terrorists that set the wheels of OBL's death in motion years ago is hilarious. The blood must be boiling. All those years saying that waterboarding never yielded good info. completely ruined. Hahahaha!



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